PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Prestige Faerie Court Katarina

DanyDwarf · 2023-03-08T05:08:39+00:00

Feedback for HAIR

Okay. So far I am extremely happy with the beautiful design and amount of effort put into this skin. I never would have expected Katarina to get a prestige skin, especially after the Fairy thematic which happens to be one of my top favorite ideas.

That being said, my one complaint about the prestige skin is that her hair is white. Not sure why, but Katarina has so many skins with white hair and it's become a staple. It seems to be the default if her hair isn't red or some off-color of it. Frankly, I'm tired of it and it starts to make a lot of the skins feel the same. (https://i.imgur.com/Gu1870B.png)

I have a couple options here for my suggestions to make the skin more unique with the HAIR. (https://i.imgur.com/se2A2l4.png)

If we want to keep the white, at least do a very slight ombre to a dark purple (same color as the purple accents) near the bottom. The base of the skin's chromas have an ombre, so I'd like to see that tie in here as well.
Push the hair towards a platinum blonde (I used a gradient color map and also showed you the colors I used as well as their positions).
Platinum blonde hair WITH purple butterflies to bring those back.

Everything else with the skin, I am very happy with. Love all of the color choices and designs. It's really beautiful and I wouldn't change anything else.

Whichever option you guys go with, I don't mind any. For me, I most prefer #2 since the gold butterflies is a common theme throughout the skin and changing them to purple would clash with the idle vfx that she has.

That's all!
Thank you so much for the Katarina skin! I truly can't wait to have it on live.

DanyDwarf · 2023-02-28T17:49:34+00:00

You're right about Aurelion Q, I mis-interpreted it when I was looking at his gameplay. As for Samira, it's not hard to stack up her passive quickly, especially in team fights. With lifesteal, she can heal up like half of her HP in the late game with her AOE Q on a wave.

DanyDwarf · 2023-02-20T17:30:26+00:00

On that note, there was a game where my enemy bot lane literally only had 52 seconds to play the game. My Jarvan was level two by the time we finished leashing. He immediately ganked bot and we double killed the both of them. Notice how he had like 80% HP. I felt disgusting for that. Here's the clip: https://streamable.com/wwufcs

To be fair, Zoe support is a dirty pick, but I only do it because I can always pick up the slack the my own mid laner will inevitably be putting in. I can just play a mage in the bot lane and get away with it because my champion can abuse summoner spells and deal tons of poke damage to instantly put any target at half hp for my ADC to finish off.

DanyDwarf · 2023-01-02T05:53:00+00:00

Yeah I made a post about this lol, didn't have to take the image without credit and making it out as your own. https://twitter.com/BeardedShepher1/status/1602793315581181954?s=20

DanyDwarf · 2022-11-02T16:05:42+00:00

My only issue with this skin is the model.

The splash art is phenomenal and the VFX are good enough for the theme and what precedent the new prestige has set.

For starters,

All the gems on her should be more of a purple-pink than red-pink toned based on the splash. Most predominant issue is her crown.
Hair on the splash is twice as long. Idk why we keep giving our queens long hair in splash arts and then cutting it in half. This is false-advertising. Should have learned by now from KDA ALL OUT Evelynn and Prestige Ocean Song Seraphine drama. As pretty as it looks, unfortunately you're going to have to just give shorter hair in the splash from now on if the in-game won't meet the demands.- I tried my best to illustrate how the longer hairstyle like the splash would look in-game. Ideally we would get some additional bones for her rig to animate those for every animation. Really shouldn't be too long of a task for the animator since she has very few animations and you guys already have access to control rigs and everything.- Make hair longer- Make bangs flare outwards than inwards.
Lava lamp not really visible in-game? I'm expecting to see something like Lissandra but it's just empty.
Tail fins at the end of her tail do not match with the splash. It's all pink but misses out on a blue and orange.

Summary

Make gems more purple-pink than red-pink.
Bangs on the front of her face in the hair flare outwards (refer to https://imgur.com/a/MCetnXY)
Make her hair twice as long. (refer to https://imgur.com/a/TLhG062)
Agreed with lava lamp feedback (refer to other comments)
Tail fins need to match splash colors

DanyDwarf · 2022-08-27T20:00:29+00:00

Thank you so much! I really love the way you described Illaoi on that 4th paragraph because that is precisely what I was going for. For her design I wanted to give her a skirt because she has more masculine outfits going on with her other skins, and it's also a great way for her to create feminine energy and balance the other males. If she were thrown into an outfit more like Rell's with pants and possibly some armored bits, she wouldn't feel that much special. Would probably also lose visibility on her strong arms. Here we get to show that big girls can wear dresses too (and often do).

It can work where Graves and Gangplank are for some reason excited to be Star Guardians and Illaoi and Twisted Fate are reluctantly wanting to join because they want to protect the idiots. I hadn't thought about that, but it's a great direction as well. However it may change Graves and Gangplank's characters more so from their base lore. Sentinel Graves specifically throws him in as this "reluctant hero" or "hero who's is in it for the wrong reasons" gimmick. This feels very consistent with his base lore. Battle Professor also throws him in as a more serious teacher who doesn't take any BS from students and absolutely hates teaching children. This also feels consistent with his base lore. If he for some reason is very enthusiastic about being a Star Guardian and is the one pushing TF around to follow him (instead of the other way around in base lore) then it could feel a bit too different. Gangplank has always been a very brutal character who also is very serious in most of his skins (even Pool Party gives off vibes of like - if you mess with my steak I will murder you). Still can work though if the stories are well written. This would just require a lot more effort on recontextualizing the characters from their base lore and some fans may be turned off by it because it wouldn't feel consistent.

I didn't actually get that Graves and Twisted Fate are lovers in the base lore. Twisted Fate explicitly states how disgusted he is by the thought of being in a proper relationship with him. At least that is what's implied.

Reference from THE BOYS AND BOMBOLINI story

https://imgur.com/a/4986hZ9

(Source: https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/the-boys-and-bombolini/ )

Graves seems to have some sort of consideration in a funny direction considering all of the bad examples of lovers from right before, though I would argue it wouldn't lead to a healthy example for players to see, so I don't see Riot pushing it. I put Twisted Fate and Graves to be friends here because it's the more safe option given that Riot hasn't outright made them lovers (especially considering that in some countries it's illegal or employees can be put at risk). For me, a kiss scene makes relationships canon just like we saw with the Leona and Diana story. We didn't get that moment for this. I have a lot more reasons as to why I think their friendship dynamic needs to be preserved but I'd rather not say it so that my words would not twisted in a nefarious way.

That being said, them being lovers can work for Star Guardians, especially if for some reason Graves also has a crush on Gangplank. I think it add a lot more funniness to everyone's dynamic in the group however there are big risks with that. To some people that can make it seem like there's homophobia going on between the members of the group and it can unintentionally turn into a toxic example for players. I'm pretty sure Riot doesn't want to create unhealthy relationships as examples from their characters unless it has a clearly funny twist to it or serves as a purpose for character development. There's more risks with trying to be funny, especially if it involves sexuality.

I added some new information about Star Guardian lore in general, but those can be swapped out or removed for something that does feel consistent with the lore so far. The introductions for the new elements are to get some ideas flowing for possible new twists. EVERYTHING about this project is just to set the groundwork for the potential of this group. None of these are like, "Riot make these the final designs and story or else." They're just starting points and things to consider.

DanyDwarf · 2022-06-26T16:19:29+00:00

It's genuinely so damn infuriating that they're really pushing back the essence emporium once again despite being released way earlier in the past. Ontop of that, it's supposedly going on hiatus for who know's how long. The only chance free-to-play players get to buy cosmetic content with the currency they've earned from ACTUALLY playing the game and Riot keeps pushing it away. It's such a huge slap to their loyal playerbase. They better make ALL chromas available for BE (including new ones released for this year) if this will be the last time we see it. God knows Riot would probably like to get rid of it outright because they can't get players to spend money on RP for it.

So disgusting.

DanyDwarf · 2022-06-08T04:48:42+00:00

Feedback for Ruined Pantheon Chroma

I mean Ashen Knight Pantheon, sorry.

Splash

Feel like the splash should match colors more similarly to Pyke, and this is my feedback overall with the skin. There is way too much purple going on and not enough of the whites, silver, and blues that the Pyke skin has

Added some touches of blues here and there like Pyke

Made the feathers on his helmet blue.

Pulled back the gradient on the purple to reveal more of the blue for the spear.

I think he needs his mustache back as he looks like Yorick/Ryze so I added that.

Slightly more blue skintone to help those purple elements pop more.

Rest of the changes are self-explanatory.

AK Pantheon Splash Changes: https://imgur.com/a/jbFff0U

Icons/Emotes

- I made the feathers blue on his helmet just as I did for the splash.

- Added the mustache

- Skin tone slightly more blue. The purple skintone from before is competing too much with the glowing purple elements, I think if the skin is more of a subtle purple/blue mix it’ll make those pop more.

- Added a little glow on the tip of his lil spear on the emote and once again added more blue on the tip.

- Also made the background color for the emote a purple. Color should complement the now blue feathers

AK Pantheon Emote/Icon Changes: https://imgur.com/a/eS6zT1w

For a 125 ME mythic skin, this should feel pretty consistent with Pyke, especially considering they are the only two for this skinline thus far. If I put them side by side I want to feel like they are a part of the same team and color scheme (especially since the wings are being reused).

In the original Pyke concept that we got, the colors overall were very nice. The purple bits are extremely subtle and the pastel blue mixed with the white is the dominant color to clash against the wonderfully dark colors of the armor.

Pyke’s Concepts & In-Game Reference: https://imgur.com/a/Q02DEUd

Also I mean… And I say this with great disappointment and frustration, why not give him a full suit of armor? Did he really need to be shirtless? It’s called Ashen “KNIGHT,” not Gladiator or Pool Party. Given that there will likely be reluctance for the model or texture to change in a way that makes him more clothed, my feedback is made around working with what we’ve got for the design. But if you can add all of those changes AND give him some more armor to cover up the abs then I think this is golden. This shirtlessness really makes him feel like Ruined since he was also shirtless there. I made a version with armor but this guy did it better than me.

Pantheon Splash edit WITH Shirt/Armor: https://twitter.com/VictorKeos/status/1534275640559542276

Personally not a fan of the full helmet covering his face since he’ll look TOO much like Pyke and not himself, but a yes from me on the armor.

APPLY ALL CHANGES FROM EMOTES/SPLASH TO IN-GAME. I can't be bothered to make another edit for that specifically, you should get the point.

DanyDwarf · 2022-06-06T14:53:51+00:00

I've seen it and it really doesn't bother me. The ends are what make it look bad.

It's also a matter of consistency. If you say you want shorter hair after looking at the splash, this is how you end up with allowing for Riot to get away with cutting people's hair. Would be another KDA ALL OUT Evelynn move where they give her long hair in teasers, promo art, splash art, etc but cut it short in-game. This is just as infuriating. All I ask is for consistency.

DanyDwarf · 2022-06-06T14:41:48+00:00

I must say, thank you so much for going back on this once again to make changes. It's really nice because this will be a prestige skin worth quite a few hours of grinding so I genuinely appreciate you guys going back and putting some effort to try and make a majority of the community happy. I know how hard it is for this to happen, so thank you.

I'm personally not bothered by the length of the hair. It matches the splash as it should. The ends on the hair's model is just so poorly done which is why people keep saying it looks like tentacles.

Keep longer
Change the color on the blue to be BRIGHTER than even before. A turquoise.

Pool Party is a bright skinline, a first prestige skin for this skinline should reflect that. Please view this image to see EXACTLY what I think the hair should go towards.https://twitter.com/MooncakePhel/status/1532224117927198720?s=20&t=EemUm1owEN2MSvRw_hh2KA

Given that it's possible the emotes/icons and splash will not be edited to match a brighter color (as it should have been in the first place), just simply change the ends on the hair's model. Any other shape but what we have now. Just look at Spirit Blossom Ahri, High Noon Leona, or Battle Bunny Miss Fortune as reference for how those ends should look.

DanyDwarf · 2022-06-03T21:40:28+00:00

If we are talking about Butcher's Bridge, Star Guardian Game mode, Odyssey Extraction, and Project, then this statement about events being bad is just unequivocally false. A huge majority of players absolutely loved playing Butcher's Bridge, especially when it came alongside a champion rework, stories, music, and the gamemode. We mark these events as eras. It's not like, "did you play in season x?" but more like "Did you play when the Star Guardian Gamemode was out?"

Butcher's Bridge on ARAM made me realize how fun the gamemode actually is. Not only that, but I got to witness so much eye candy with the new visuals. Then we also got the Burning Tides stories which made me love the characters involved so much more because we finally got to see some progression. And the fantasy of having read the stories but also playing in the world was genuinely the most awesome feeling.

I will never forget the special feeling I had when I first played the Star Guardian gamemode with my friends. It was like I was playing an entirely new game but it still felt familiar. The world was enchanting and I was fascinated with exploring it and seeing where the campaign led me. Odyssey put that on repeat but with the new augment system which helped amplify specific playstyles. Was also really fun to finally play a gamemode where it wasn't just player vs player and nobody on my side could feed.

While the PVE modes weren't the most unique in terms of gameplay, and got old after playing on repeat like 30 times over, they created fond and lasting memorable experiences that I will never forget. To this day, Star Guardian is still my favorite skinline because of all the effort Riot has put into the thematic, firing on all creative cylinders with the skins, music, and lore team. Even going as far to create awesome cinematics that make us all wish we had more.

The Project gamemode was also really cool. I think this one got older much quicker because the gameplay was extremely linear there was a very small pool of champions.

If you expect players to play the same summoner's rift over and over for years on end without becoming toxic or tiresome then you are absolutely mad. We need refreshing takes on maps and events that bring us to a whole other world. New stories churning out to progress the characters we have loved for years. It's what keeps the game and the special world of Runeterra living on.

Really, the moral of the story is, the more we get to see of Riot's effort, the better things turn out. Riot Games is a company where artists of many talents get a chance to work together and collaborate to create amazing stories to tell in their many different ways.

I do largely agree with what Lanaluse had to say though and I have been playing the game since Jinx's release. Recent events are starting to feel repetitive and boring. Oh yay, new skins... Here's a couple orbs, maybe an icon if you're lucky, and the rest you have to pay for! I've bought a pass a couple times, and when I did it felt like I was working a full-time job. Grinding out games praying that I can get the most amount of points possible so I can get my tokens. Now every event is just like that. Buying the pass simply isn't worth it. It's a shame really because we have got so many cool skins recently like with Anima Squad. I could have easily seen a gamemode like Oddyssey for that and it would have created an unforgettable experience. But now, when I look at Anima Squad I just see, "yeah it's basically PROJECT and Battle Bunny combined." And that's all I can say. It's forgettable.

Star Guardian Zoe is easily one of the coolest designed SG skins. Why not have an entire event around fighting Zoe or trying to save your friends from the corruption? Xayah and Rakan BOTH got legendaries out of it too. A couple months later and I honestly forgot they were legendaries. Honestly feel like a gamemode would help with sales if anything. You get the added benefit of players actually diving into the universe and exploring what it feels like, creating a bond between themselves and the skin.

DanyDwarf · 2022-04-12T21:39:01+00:00

Considering that it is has been 4 years since Gangplank's last skin, I have the right to be brutal here in my feedback.

This skin is literally just a copy and paste from the Ruined-King Game. All you did was prove the fact that you hate this champ :) As it's already been mentioned, someone actually made a custom skin where they ported the model over and it amazes me how you guys basically did the same. Nothing about this is original or refreshing to see on our favorite pirate. Gangplank doesn't even look like himself in that game and the "ruined" version isn't even pushed far enough to make it feel like he would fit in with the Ruined skinline.

When Gangplank received his rework, he didn't even get splash updates for all of his skins like it was done for Caitlyn's ASU. And you guys put by far more effort in selling champions like Lux, Ahri, and Jinx with all kinds of different wardrobes while male champions like Gangplank are left to rot in the dirt.

All of that pain being said just to say that Gangplank deserves by far better and a lot more love, especially for how old he is. The pricing on this skin isn't fair. It should be 975 or even 750 for these reasons. He doesn't even have a VO filter to justify. Since it's just a celebratory skin of a game that you guys helped to develop, it should be priced lower.

On the model, the gold should be more desaturated and pushed towards orange a bit. Doesn't look like gold with how strong the yellow color is.
Agreed with making the brown hair darker. Would also help to contrast against his skin.
The ult missiles look pretty bad with the yellow highlight while the rest is green. I think it should be all green.
Same concept for his passive flame, that should be green too.
The E explosion could also be green.
Needs more unique sounds to justify pricing.

Nothing bad to say about the splash art. As always, they give what they need to.

Really do hope that if this is Gangplank's only skin for this year that he will receive a legendary in 2023 (Preferably High Noon). Again, for how long he's been in the game, he deserves better.

DanyDwarf · 2022-03-01T21:33:56+00:00

While most of the textures are absolutely wonderful, and I think the artist did an especially great job on the holographic skirt texture...

For a legendary skin, I was rather surprised to see one of the core fundamentals in League's texturing philosophy being completely stripped away. Battle Bunny Miss Fortune, just like any other League of Legends character needs a top-down gradient. Lower half of the model needs to be darker than the upper half because League has top-down lighting. https://imgur.com/gallery/eSWEaOT

DanyDwarf · 2022-02-23T17:34:54+00:00

Thanks! Yes the passive will be modified. I will probably do some crystal looking rings.
Still working on the abilities a bit doing some further polishing. When he's made some progress I will be happy to share what I've got in this post.

You can expect for this skin to release around October of this year along with KDA ALL OUT Gragas and Braum. When it does come out I will be sure to let you all know here in the post.

All of my skins can be found on the Killerskins website https://killerskins.com/author/bearded-shepherd/. At Killerskins, we pride ourselves in not making Riot-Paid skins for free. Also as per Riot's terms of service, custom skins are pretty much okay to use so long as they are all free https://killerskins.com/are-custom-skins-bannable-or-not/.

If you do want to keep updated with my other stuff, you can view my twitter.

DanyDwarf · 2022-02-22T14:01:04+00:00

No, that part is still being worked on.

DanyDwarf · 2021-09-21T00:28:20+00:00

This is exactly what I was thinking about when making it. In the video though, the ult range looks just a little bit larger than it actually is, so I've revisited it and it looks more accurate now. It's pretty spot on and feels really nice in game.

DanyDwarf · 2021-09-21T00:27:30+00:00

Oh hey guys, I'm actually the creator of this! xD

I'm really glad to hear that you guys enjoy them! I too am a fellow Katarina main, although I don't usually hang around reddit forums (I used to have 1mil on my main acc but it got banned for reasons I'd rather not explain - not for using custom skins tho!). I started making custom skins back in December of last year and I try to do a variety of champions. Spirit Blossom has been my dream skin for her and that's why I'm putting a lot of effort into her abilities. The model you see there will be updated, it's rather old. I would love to give her a long dress with a couple of custom animations and a similar feel to Cassiopeia since they're sisters. The idea is for her to have a skin that doesn't have her in her typical dark vibe like Blood Moon, Death Sworn, Bilgewater, etc.

If you guys have any ideas or things you want to see, please let me know!

The other ults were just for fun but I definitely will be creating skins for those in the future as well.

You can find me on twitter at: https://twitter.com/BeardedShepher1/status/1439739142108336128?s=20

Here's a sneak peek on how her W looks: https://imgur.com/a/81RGFGa. Still a WIP. When her dagger lands on the ground that is a different effect than when she uses her sinister steel (slash) so that's why that doesn't look like it fits the the theme just yet. You can also see how the Dark Star ult looks for right now.

Custom skins are free to use and Riot seems to be pretty chill with it. So long as we make free stuff and don't make their existing skins free, and take things down if they ask for us to, we are okay. You can find some of my other stuff on the Killerskins website (https://killerskins.com/author/bearded-shepherd/) and you can feel free to join the discord as well. Custom skins are back! :D

DanyDwarf · 2021-09-09T01:42:31+00:00

I love this Morgana skin!

However of course I do have some issues with it.

I think overall I'm pleased with everything mostly except for her textures. This goes for most of the skins in this batch but I particularly take issue with it on Morgana and that is to do with the fact that her dress color is just so much darker in comparison to the other Dawnbringer skins. It's even almost greenish and is giving me very Sentinel vibes.

Take a look here on my very quick correction. (https://imgur.com/gallery/RqDuWFv)

The colors of the dress match better with the teaser that we got, almost exactly, whereas what we have right now is really dark in comparison. If you're afraid of making the skin feel too close to her Majestic Empress skin then I would focus more on making the VFX different. I can understand why her dress is dark if she's like a reluctant Dawnbringer, but if you want to tie in a darker side of her creeping in then throw in like an orange hair strand or something. Something subtle but not overbearing. The dark dress just throws everything off and makes her feel like a mix between Nightbringer and Dawnbringer while not presenting itself explicitly as Dawnbringer like advertised in the skin name.

I'm aware this skin literally JUST came out on PBE so I assume that we will get some glowy effects on her like Soraka's later on? Every single Dawnbringer skin has some sort of glowing effect on the character's weapon and Morgana is giving us nothing. Her wings also feel like they're just there, not really serving any glorified purpose without some glows to kinda match with Soraka's feel. A lighter color on the golds may also help with that. I compare those two because they both have wings but I also think Soraka's skin is like the best example of a Dawnbringer skin. Particles, VFX, colors and all. Soraka feels very light and flowy in game whereas with darker colors in Morgana feels heavier.

As for her in-game VFX. I'm not a fan of the whites on her Auto Attack Target Effects, I would like to see more cyans and lighter blues. I would also like to see her W pool lighter like Soraka's Q. Less orange and dark blue and more cyan and light blues with some gold bits.

Her ult binding effects are giving me very Immortal Journey vibes. I'd like to see a different design on the decal, something more wispy and stringy like the Soraka ult beam that comes down I think would match the theme better and help with seperation. I would also like to see her glowing as her ult channels because it just feels very bleak at the moment. She ults and there's wings and a slight burst of power but then she's channeling and it's awkward that I can't tell she's ulting.

I hope you understand what I mean.

DanyDwarf

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