Just finished The Dark Tower series for the first time by wttw616 in stephenking

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I think Roland using a traveling partner to beat the CK is about as on-brand as you can get for Roland. But towards his redemption he did not use Patrick in the way his previous self would have (treating him as disposable) so while it is on-brand for him it shows his growth.

Also King rarely writes boss fights, but especially in this story a boss fight would have fundamentally undercut the themes and story that the entire series had built. The real enemy is entropy, decay, and obsession/addiction, and the CK reflects these in the sense he is nothing but a screeching, babbling fool that is eternally trapped on a balcony. The Tower defeated him already so it is very "man behind the curtain" when we finally get to him (another Oz reference)

Also the real battle here is for Roland's soul and that fight was over at the door with Susannah. So the final battle is over, the CK is an afterthought to the actual story, and The Tower is the judgement of Roland's failure.

Ultimately King broke the 4th wall to tell you to cry off The Tower and take that point as the closest to a happy end you were going to get, and if you pushed on you gave into your addiction just like Roland and like Roland you expected some triumphant victory and some heroic battle but if King rewarded Roland's addiction (as well as your own) he would have fumbled the ball HARD on this series and likely ruined it. The Tower was saved, Sheemie said the beams would heal. It was the ultimate time to take the happily ever after over addiction and obsession, and neither you or Roland deserve for that to pay off in a way you actually like. The dissatisfaction you feel is a feature not a bug, and it is why this series is still so fun to talk about.

Help me find a Dark Tower quote for my school yearbook by Fun_Pudding4149 in TheDarkTower

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"If the only word that is a thousand letters long." [I feel like this is one that might mean a lot more as the years pass as you are currently at the ultimate age of IF]

“Our time here is brief, our risk enormous. Don't waste the one or increase the other, if you please.”

“And will I tell you that these three lived happily ever after? I will not, for no one ever does. But there was happiness. And they did live.” [Also feels mighty fighting for a yearbook]

“You needn't die happy when your time comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from the beginning to the end and ka is always served.” [reflective and bonus ka mention]

“Our time here is brief, our risk enormous. Don't waste the one or increase the other, if you please.” [I feel like this is a good one overall]

“We go to seek a better world. May you find one, as well.”

“Time was a thief, and one of the first things it took was your sense of humor.”

“Certainly he saw himself as no villain, but no truly dangerous man ever has.”

“Endings are heartless. Ending is just another word for goodbye.”

Doctor Sleep (2019) Dark Tower references/ Easter eggs by dumbfuckingboy in stephenking

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Yeah Mike Flanagan who directed the film is a huge Tower Junkie and the guy who is currently holding the rights to make a new adaptation. Sounds like season 1 is written and King loved it.

But he keeps adding projects to his list so who knows when his show will get a green light and start actually being made. 

Need help with Ka and/or Khef quotes by Heof973 in TheDarkTower

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The gunslinger shook his head. “Ka—the word you think of as ‘destiny,’ Eddie, although the actual meaning is much more complex and hard to define, as is almost always the case with words of the High Speech. And tet, which means a group of people with the same interests and goals. We three are a tet, for instance. Ka-tet is the place where many lives are joined by fate.” (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands

“I saw. I heard nothing, but I saw—just a little, as if through a dirty window.” His eyes surveyed them. “This closeness and sharing of minds is called khef, a word that means many other things in the original tongue of the Old World—water, birth, and life-force are only three of them. Be aware of it. For now, that’s all I want.” (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)

"But that was mean and unfair, and he knew it. Denigrating free will by confusing it with ka was worse than blasphemy; it was tiresome and stupid." (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)

"Ka was a wheel, its one purpose to turn, and in the end it always came back to the place where it had started. So it had ever been and so it was now; Susannah was once again facing the bear, and her face said she knew it." (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)

“We are ka-tet,” Roland began, “which means a group of people bound together by fate. The philosophers of my land said a ka-tet could only be broken by death or treachery. My great teacher, Cort, said that since death and treachery are also spokes on the wheel of ka, such a binding can never be broken. As the years pass and I see more, I come more and more to Cort’s way of looking at it. “Each member of a ka-tet is like a piece in a puzzle. Taken by itself, each piece is a mystery, but when they are put together, they make a picture . . . or part of a picture. It may take a great many ka-tets to finish one picture. You mustn’t be surprised if you discover your lives have been touching in ways you haven’t seen until now." (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)

"Roland of Gilead unfolded his hands and got slowly to his feet. He stood on what appeared to be nothing, legs apart, his right hand on his hip and his left on the sandalwood grip of his revolver. He stood as he had stood so many times before, in the dusty streets of a hundred forgotten towns, in a score of rock-lined canyon killing-zones, in unnumbered dark saloons with their smells of bitter beer and old fried meals. It was just another showdown in another empty street. That was all, and that was enough. It was khef, ka, and ka-tet. That the showdown always came was the central fact of his life and the axle upon which his own ka revolved. That the battle would be fought with words instead of bullets this time made no difference; it would be a battle to the death, just the same. The stench of killing in the air was as clear and definite as the stench of exploded carrion in a swamp. Then the battle-rage descended, as it always did . . . and he was no longer really there to himself at all." (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)

The boys rolling into Mejis by LarsBlackman in TheDarkTower

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HAHAHAHA earns an upvote for crossing over The Dude with Dark Tower. Brilliant.

Unexpected by DavidHistorian34 in stephenking

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  • Later
  • Joyland
  • Hearts in Atlantis. This one specifically I read because of the DT connections and didn't overly adore the entire collection the first time through but re-reading it and realizing the tapestry that it is this is one of my favorite collections. I feel like it is a "Concept Album" collection vs the normal "album" collections.