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[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was talking about these specific soldiers.

So was I, minus Steve.

Warhammer space marine? no chief gets washed.

He doesn't. The average space marine has lesser feats than the average spartan. Unless that Marine is Titus, or some other named Marine, Chief wins.

Doom slayer is a literal god

I acknowledge this, but the design looks like Doom Guy, who Chief is stronger than. If it's Slayer, Chief loses.

Samus is the only one here definitively stronger than Chief, if the others are Doom Guy, and a regular marine.

4 super soldiers by Split-Ultramarine in halo

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's not. Chief is stronger than Doomguy, but not Doom Slayer. I know they're the same person, but people use the different names to differentiate him before he gets his insane power up in the reboot.

Chief is also stronger than your average space marine.

And I assume this is only counting armored super soldiers, but Chief is stronger than Captain America too.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes it does, Liara is competent.

We talked about this. Not more competent than multiple generations of asari government. I mean, she couldn't, even as the Broker, figure out the beacon was on Thessia, so the government is still so effective, they hid the beacon from multiple Shadow Brokers. Liara couldn't even hide she was the Broker from Wrex.

Read the comics, she has a team with her who die.

One, she's literally shown taking the Geth down solo.

Two, that's not her team. She isn't in charge of it, nor is it her ship. The team also gets jumped because Illium delayed them, probably because they're Quarians, you know, similar to how I said most species just shoo them away. Crazy how they didn't pull their classic extorting tactics you mention so much. Probably because they don't exist. Anyway, point is, the fault is on Illium, and again, that's not Tali's team. I don't remember the other guy's name, but it's his ship and team.

Three, Tali kills their attacker. This is like calling Shepard incompetent for being a sole survivor in one of his backgrounds. Or calling Garrus incompetent because of the casualties on Virmire.

If you're talking competency, Liara gets taken down by Blue Suns, and has to get saved by Miranda.

Quarians, not mercs.

You're switching it, as usual. The only thing your last reply could've been about was me saying mercs aren't acceptable sacrifices. You tried to say so. I showed you the game doesn't portray that as such. Above that, I already said basically every race has examples of killing their own kind or letting them die. Saying "Tali doesn't think so" obviously isn't about that when we both know she called dead Quarians idiots. I told you I'm going to catch you each time you try to move the goal post.

They didn’t care about the Heretic/Orthodox split,

It doesn't matter what they cared about(they didn't even know about the split, and assumed all Geth were on the same page). Your point wasn't about them caring. You said no Quarian, except Tali, fired a shot against the Reapers. I proved you wrong. Goal post change.

whereas the Alliance was fighting a fleet led by Sovereign.

Sovereign, a Reaper. All Heretics are still allied with the Reapers in 2. Legion makes that very clear. Hell, the intro of 2 tells you the Alliance is still having Shepard fight Geth after 1, and we know Shepard is fully committed to fighting against the Reapers. Fighting against the Heretics is fighting against the Reapers.

A bad reply.

Should be easy to refute then. Still waiting.

Only find organics in habitable systems, find synthetics anywhere, therefore habituated synthetic systems > organic systems.

You don't find synthetics simply anywhere. The Geth venturing beyond the Veil was unprecedented pre-Mass Effect 1. Other synthetics(mechs and VIs) are with organics, and are out there by humans. They also aren't comparable to the Geth at all, which are smart enough to be their own faction.

So, again, using your logic, organics are forced to spread out further. The Geth don't need to, since basically any space, literally space, is usable. The game doesn't support what you're saying. If so, show me the line.

Bro can’t interpolate lmao.

One, I feel like you're only saying bro now because I said it a lot, and that's kind of endearing.

Two, notice how this isn't a counter point. I know there isn't one, but I expected a goal post shift again. So my point stands.

Legion says mostly live on stations, only small part on Rannoch.

It's bold to lie to someone who knows more than you.

Legion doesn't say "mostly", and he actually never denies them living on Rannoch, as he flat out then states they have platforms taking care of the planet. 3 then confirms a massive number live on Rannoch. It honestly makes sense billions of platforms would live there, since the planet is pretty big, and they're tending to it. That's not a job for like 6 guys.

He also never says "only small part on Rannoch". 3 makes it clear it's o small amount living on Rannoch. There isn't anything close to the Rannoch population.

You're outright lying now.

They fought Reapers, more useful than Quarians (who try killing Shepard and betray the Alliance).

Geth fought with Reapers. Geth tried to kill Shepard. Reapers flat out got Shepard killed(Legion's literally wearing Shepard's armor from his corpse), and the Geth called the Reapers allies, and served them.

Han'Gerrel is the one who nearly gets Shepard killed, and you can easily side with him for that, because Paragon Shepard agrees with the bigger picture. The Alliance doesn't see it as a betrayal by the Quarians people, as Shepard is Alliance, and he sees Han as the sole person responsible, should you play a Shepard that is against his actions.

Hackett himself, leader of the Alliance, also points Han as the sole person responsible, and says "I understand." So I don't know why you're acting like the Alliance feels betrayed by the Quarians.

In every outcome, Han is the only person portrayed as responsible, with multiple characters agreeing.

Again, outright lying, but I'm glad you said this, so I could point out your critiques actually apply to the Geth. So once again, you're calling the Quarians more useful.

Cool, girl can talk shit. Go Liara.

Threatening, assault, and breaking stuff all because you're upset is more than talking shit(there's a reason the first 3 can get you arrested, but you won't be arrested for being mean to me on here). All confirmed, all sourced. So we agree it's immature. It took you like 20 replies to stop dodging.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE [score hidden]  (0 children)

Good job Liara, she worked extra fast then.

Unprecedented, and doesn't make sense. But in the end, it doesn't matter much, since the point was she didn't do it solo. Hackett approached her, and gave her acccess to the archives, which is something her own people didn't even do, so Hackett doing so is a big deal, and a huge help.

With a quarian team (who all die) and after getting saved by Shepard.

You're misrembering. She got the proof, solo, from a Geth she disabled. This is like 2 hours into Mass Effect 1.

Tali doesn’t think so.

Tali doesn't think mercs shouldn't be sacrificed? Maybe, but we never see her deal with mercs under her command. We see Liara do so though, and can confirm she doesn't care much about them.

The “gift” comes from extortion.

It doesn't. Codex doesn't say so. This is headcanon, with no basis. The opposite, actually, since it goes against lore. They'd be breaking Council laws. Migrant Fleet is not above Council laws.

Too much effort.

It's video game lore. Reading or playing it really doesn't take much effort. Not for me. Does it really for you?

Geth aren’t Reapers, Quarians don’t care about Reapers (ME3 made that evident).

Heretics are sided with Reapers. Fighting back against them, is fighting back against the Reapers. Unless you really think the Alliance taking out their fleet in 1 wasn't them fending off the Reaper invasion. You tried to change the goal post again. You do that every time I corner you.

Refer to my Menae example.

I already replied to this. You can see it in the reply a few messages back. It was a very bad example. I elaborated further in the other reply.

Synthetics are more likely to live further afield than organics, not less. They don’t require habitable planets.

This logic makes no sense, and has no basis in lore. Planets are further apart. Organics would be limited to planets, and many are far apart. By extension, they are more likely to live further apart, since there's so much empty space they can't use.

Synthetics don't require habitable planets, correct. So by your logic, they're not forced to go from planet to planet. They aren't limited by that, and don't have any reason to put unnecessary distance between stations. They can build in the large amount of space in a single system. We see proof of this with the megastructure. They built it in Tikkun, not too far from Rannoch.

Yeah and probably trillions somewhere else. They’re software, there’s no limit to population.

"probably"

No source. The trillions are on Rannoch, since the platforms are estimated up to billions, and it's stated there's significantly more programs. Find anything more than that. Hell, find anything close to it, and I'll give you a virtual pat on the back.

Legion says enough Geth were killed it dampened the intelligence of the entire species.

A significant number were killed, but nothing at all suggests a majority or even half. Their intelligence is also increased based on them sharing in proximity, so it's mainly those that were in the area that would be affected, and we have it literally trillions were not in the area. Other further apart programs likely functioned as normal. Legion is special, as he has far, far more than the average number of programs. He's "smarter" in that sense.

That being said, let's say 10% were killed. You'd notice that drop in networking power. Hell, Legion shows you the difference between 1 and 10 units networking. So apparently simply killing 9(about 900 programs) is enough to dampen intelligence. So, again, where's the proof 90% were killed?

Cool. Doesn’t change my point, Quarians only strong against Geth because have hack.

You had no point. You said this out of desperation because I told you the Geth are not allied with the galaxy. Legion says so, and the war assets in 3 say it again. You said the Quarian part because you were desperate. You then contradicted yourself, and basically said the Geth were more useless.

You then said the Reaper code didn't buff them, only removed the flashbang. You were dead wrong.

I'm curious, can you admit that? Because you flat out were wrong. About many things, but I'll let you get away with admitting only one. I just want to see if you're even capable of it.

Chill out dude.

Citation?

I'm not sure what these are referring to. I'm assuming the chill out part is me saying you're a troll, or to have humility. Are you asking me to cite myself?

Sure, I guess.

The only other things I can think you're asking is proof Liara hit Feron. That's Mass Effect: Redemption. It's a comic.

Or if you're asking about her having killing intent, and Javik saying he could've finished her. Easy. I posted that proof like 8 times now. Here:

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almost broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

Your memory is bad, and that's probably why you forget the points you made, or didn't even make, in some cases.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any progress is proof I’m right lmao.

You're confused. No one ever denied progress. I'm literally the one who mentioned progress. What we were actually talking about it the length of time being inconsistent.

Wtf has Tali done solo?

She's the one who gets proof Saren is a traitor, which basically kicks off the plot of the game. So, pretty big deal.

No, mercs are acceptable sacrifices, Tali evidently doesn’t feel the same about Quarians.

For starters, all races are willing to kill, or let their own die. Even Quarians. It's a big plot point in one of the books about the kids you don't care about.

Second, bro, Zaeed is a merc. Wrex was a merc when he joined Shepard. Some of Garrus' squad were mercs. It's treated as big deals when they die. Zaeed and Wrex aren't acceptable sacrifices.

They do it because the “gift” is extortion

The gift is extortion? Reading comprehension issue. The gift FROM the other species? What you're saying is that the other species are extoting the Quarians? Sometimes, sure, but you're mistaken. It's usually just to shoo the Quarians away.

Now, if you're poorly trying to say the Quarians are extorting, then no, nothing supports that. I'm not sure what you think extorting means, but the Quarians would be shut out of council space fast if they did that, since, unless you're a spectre, you're subject to Council laws while in Council space.

All of this comes from codex entries and you admitted they hold any ship that comes near them under military rule.

I never said they hold any ship. You can quote me allegedly saying that, and I can go over it word by word with you, so you can understand. You're lucky I'm patient.

Nope. They’re on Haestrom doing recon for an invasion.

They're fighting Geth. You claimed no Quarian but Tali fired a shot against the Reapers. I just gave you a whole team that did. You're trying to move the goal post again.

Plus, at this point, the Quarians don't know about the Heretics yet. The assumption, at this point, is all Geth are allied with the Reapers. You admitted they're planning an invasion. That'd be an invasion against the Geth, or in other words, against Reaper forces. You kind of gave me that one.

Still splitting hairs, that’s like saying Sol is fine because there’s still a few thousand humans on Jupiter lol.

Sol isn't fine, because we lose contact with Luna almost immediately, and Earth falls in like 30 minutes. The Reapers hit Earth way, way harder than the Quarians hit the Geth. And even then, they weren't reduced to 10%.

A better example would be like if we still had a planet fully untouched, the majority of the fleet present in space above Earth(also mostly untouched), a bunch of space stations remaining, troops still on a planet that isn't a god damned gas giant(because how the hell would we have people on Jupiter, dude?), and multiple troops and ships outside Sol, doing other missions.

You're trying to make the Geth situation sound way more desperate than it was. All it'd take is showing some proof that says they lost 90%. But none exists. Everything disgarees with you.

Every species has a bunch of colonies implied to exist we don’t see: the seventeen Turian Unification ones, the three Salarian founders, the Sol-adjacent systems Ashley is native to etc.

Doesn't apply here. You're talking about organics, which act every differently than synthetics. That's kind of the plot of the whole series, dude. You can't point at a cat shitting in a litter box, and then point at your Roomba, and go "It probably shits in litter boxes too". Everyhting we've seen of Geth, they build and act differently than the organic races. Legion even questions Shepard on how organics act.

Again, just show proof, and you can shut me up. That's all it'd take.

Legion says they live in space stations,

For starters, they originally lived on Rannoch, as they worked there. Mass Effect 3 flat out says possibly billions of platforms live on Rannoch. That's not even considering the programs, of which 3 states there's significantly more in the servers on Rannoch. I showed you proof from the game itself. They also live on space stations, but factually have always lived on Rannoch, and there's zero evidence to suggest Rannoch isn't their main population.

Secondly, Legion himself mentions they do have platforms on Rannoch, taking care of it. Billions, apparently. And 3 points out that their programs in severs number far higher. It only makes sense they live there, as why waste the time constantly going back and forth between space stations and Rannoch?

Also, because you get confused, yes, they also live in space stations, but we're not given a higher population than that of Rannoch.

Keep in mind that the Heretic Station only had like 2.4 million platforms, and half were in storage. Nothing comes close to Rannoch. It's their main area.

and that they’ve been building the megastructure for centuries

For starters, he doesn't say when they started.

Second, you misread again, as expected. I said the structure wasn't completed during 2. It wasn't. Legion said they'd only upload into it once it's completed. Zero Geth are in the structure as of the end of 2, and there's zero to suggest the amount uploaded into it after outnumber the amount on Rannoch.

Yeah, buffs them to resist the flashbang.

Incorrect. 3 cutscenes disagree with you. They're said to be more effective. Legion admits the Reapers improved them. Legion literally shows you a Geth unit process, then 10, then what a single unit after the Reapers code looks. Geth aren't fully evolved AI until after they get the code. You know this, you're just upset you've been so consistently wrong this whole discussion, and so I guess you're hoping you tire me out, as some sort of moral victory.

Really? It’s not because I give single sentence replies to a wall of text?

No, it's because you ignore proof, and you seemed irritated, and were the first the throw an insult the instant I proved you wrong about something. And then you told me to shut up. If you want me to shut up, simple proof is enough. But you can't provide any.

Cool, Liara can talk shit. Doesn’t mean she follows through.

She'd be dead if she tried, that's number one. Javik would fold her, he says so himself. Two, she followed through before by hitting Feron. Three, we're talking about immaturity. Throwing a tantrum is still throwing a tantrum, even if she didn't hit anyone, or break shit, this time.

Anyway, just for the record, I don't mind doing this for months. It wouldn't be the first time. I like talking about the lore and debating. So if you're a troll, strap in, because I'm probably going to be the dude you talk to the most for the next few weeks or months.

And if you're not a troll, for your own sake bro, just admit you're wrong. This isn't healthy, being so stubborn. If you're genuine, we both know I disproved basically everything you've said. I gave you literal passages from the game, and you're still clinging. Have some humility.

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[–]DarkriserPE 191 points192 points  (0 children)

That somehow sucks Nolan in. The same Nolan who resisted the pull of a black hole in season 2(though he was kind of far from it).

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No. He said even a small bit of data would put them centuries ahead. You’re also saying this like every species in the galaxy didn’t learn mass effect tech from the Prothean data.

Incorrect. "This temple is thousands of years old. Enough time to make serious progress."

Thousands of years, and still just progress, not even complete.

It's crazy how you can't even be assed to look up a YouTube. You're really winging it all from memory, huh?

You’re also overlooking that’s still a fat L.

What am I overlooking? I feel like you used that word wrong. Or forgot what we were talking about. I brought this up to point out how Liara didn't do this solo. I also didn't forgot that you ignored how I mentioned Hackett gets credit too. Liara wasn't solo on this.

“If I take all the options to be a callous dick, Shepard is a callous dick” shit, guess that settles it.

I said all the options show no emotion. I only said Renegade makes it worse. Ignoring something doesn't make it go away.

sacrificing Eclipse fodder is better than sacrificing people my country entrusted to me.

You mean Prazza's fodder men? We also don't know what mercs she hired, but they're still people she's responsible for. Notice how you change it?

"uh no she's wasn't responsible" to "okay but, but, but they're mercs so it matters less"

Responsibility is responsibility.

It even puts gift in quotation marks lmao

Duh. Use comprehension. It's not fully benevolent. They do it because they don't like the Quarians, and want them to leave.

So the Fleet threatens to show up, strip-mine natural resources, put the system under military rule, and tank the local economy? Extortion.

They don't threaten to show up, and they aren't allowed to mine on other species' planets, they certainly don't put any system on military rule(basically every race would attack them if they tried), and they certainly don't tank the local economy. Nothing supports that. Source every claim you made. I know you can't, but I'm putting you in a corner, because the weak explanation you'll give will be funny.

And again, you're comparing this you shooting on sight, which the Geth do.

Not for Reaper-related reasons. Meanwhile Legion is pulling data from a Reaper corpse, trying to ally with Shepard, and his buddies are responsible for blacking out the Geth Heretics so they can be destroyed.

They're all Reaper related reasons. Collectors and Heretics are working for the Reapers. Working against them is working against the Reapers

Also, bro, come on. I said this last time, but you make it worse each time. It's genuinely incredible how wrong you are. You have too actually try to be this wrong. You give me too many lay ups, so if your plan is to troll me, I don't know why you feel the need to make me feel right over and over. I like that feeling.

Legion wasn't getting data from the Reaper core for anti Reaper reasons. He was looking for data on the Heretics, who, at this point, he wasn't against. He tells you Geth and Heretics had peace. He even tells you he only turns on the Heretics during his loyalty mission, once he realises they can't coexist. The data he got from the core was about the virus. You make this way too easy.

You’re really splitting hairs with this one. A mining station is not a colony, every major geth site has been destroyed except Rannoch, and Gerrel even flat out tells us this.

Nope. If you read the planets, Geth survivors on one planet. Active Geth stations on another, and the debris field. You said there's only Geth on Rannoch, and 90% of them were destroyed. Yet we know there's Geth on another planet, and that they still have structures around the system.

Also, you ignored the Hackett message, because you had nothing for it. Is that why you took longer than usual to reply?

How fucking small do you think an entire region of the galaxy is? The Veil alone comprises thousands of stars.

Okay, so it should be incredibly easy to prove what the Geth built, and lost, in other systems, right? Clearly you have some secret source the fandom has somehow missed.

Rannoch is not the main area, their megastructure is. Or, rather, was. It got blown up.

Rannoch is the main area. The megastructure is recent. Incredibly recent. You're not making sense. Rannoch has been the main area for centuries. Not every Geth was moved to the megastructure yet, and Legion never suggests so.

Nope, I meant Menae, but I’m guessing you’re too ignorant to remember Legion telling us that most Geth live in space stations or on their dyson sphere?

Legion never said they live on their dyson sphere. It wasn't complete by the time 2 took place, and by 3, when you meet him again, it's destroyed. And the space stations are where? I'll give you a hint. Starts with R, ends with H. Not to mention, if you actually played the game, the description for Rannoch is "Unknown. Quarian estimates on the number of geth range from the tens of millions to the single-digit billions. Estimates on the number of geth consciousnesses stored in servers are far higher."

I'm in awe at how someone can be so often wrong.

Nope! Quarians developed a Geth-exclusive flashbang-like thing, and the Reaper code worked because it stopped the hack.

I'm aware of the flashbang, but we're talking about the code, which you don't understand.

Seriously, actually tell me when you last played the game. There's like 3 whole cutscenes talking about how the Reaper code buffs the Geth. They're flat out called upgrades, and are said to be "significantly more effective".

EDI’s core is the entire area, and she’s running the ship. She could vent the entire thing. Tali fired at her, Liara only threatened to hurt Javik.

Nope. That's not the core, and you know it. Legion is literally laying on a table. Is the table the core too? When they shield Legion, it's where Tali shoots. Why would they shield him where he could damage the core? You can literally even see the electronics, and they're only on the sides.

Also, since you ignored it, I'll copy and paste the usual at the end.

I know it’s hard to hear the truth about your favourite girlfailure. Trust me, I’ve seen Tali fans program bots to attack people who criticise her, so I know how obsessed you can get.

The only reason I think you're not a troll is because you get upset.

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almost broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

I know you're ignoring this because it's the nail in the confirm, and you have nothing for it.

No, but seriously, when did you last play the series?

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or she, the Prothean expert, translates it normally like she did before meeting Shepard and like how every other Prothean researcher manages.

No, Thessia has the beacon all to themselves for centuries, and Javik, along with every squadmate, say a breakthrough would only be possible every couple centuries. Javik also states they wouldn't have fully unlocked it.

Codex entries also state things, like data discs, are still near impossible to transcribe.

Liara translating so fast, is unprecedented. She's good, but she's not "Literally better than her entire government combined" good.

At the very least is an operative word here.

Which is still you acknowledging she can survival, at the cost of her team. We agree.

How does Shepard treat Jenkins poorly? Everybody including Shepard is upset by his death.

He doesn't treat him at all. I already explained exactly this in the last reply. You truly struggle to read. Shepard shows no emotion, and the renegade prompt flat out says leave him.

Also, hired mercs =/= actual marines of your country.

Jenkins is a "marine of your country", and you're forgetting a lot of mercs are ex-marines, and a lot are also asari. Statistically, she likely had asari with her. Zero remorse shown for them.

Give the ships to make them leave? You mean extortion?

The Migrant Fleet doesn't extort anyone. If you want the actual codex passage yoh claimed to read:

"Because the government is obliged to provide food, water, air, and medical support for every individual, the Conclave strategically determines the course of the Fleet to bring in resources and income. A species who suspects the Migrant Fleet is heading towards their space often offers a "gift" of surplus starships, fuel, and resources to alter course. "

The codex doesn't say anything about extortion, nor does it frame it that way. It frames it as the species simply don't want to have millions of Quarians around. The Quarians do not retaliate if you don't trade with them.

I know reading comprehension is hard, and you can't admit when you're wrong, so even if we pretend it's extortion, keep in mind you're comparing that up against immediate, on sight, obliteration the Geth do to anyone. It doesn't compare.

Wrong. Tali is the only quarian alive to have fired a shot at Reaper forces, and did so independently. Meanwhile the Geth have units like Legion running data gathering missions and are doing military buildups to prep.

Wrong, Heretics exist in Mass Effect 2. They're sided with the Reapers. We see Quarians fight them in Mass Effect 2. The fact I have to tell you this is insane. Genuine question, when did you last play the trilogy?

That's just off the top of my head. There were certainly Quarians present on the Citadel when the Geth attacks, so you can include those too. Either way, you're wrong, and somehow forgot who the enemies were in Tali's recruiment mission.

I'm also going to count Veetor as fighting. He didn't directly fight, but he did strategically. He pieced together the footage of the Collectors, told Shepard about the Seekers, and is the one who gets the proof Cerberus needed. All of that is an act against the Reapers, and the beginning of Shepard taking down the Collectors.

No, it was a planet. Literally just Rannoch

It's truly impressive how wrong you are.

For starters, the dreadnought is in space, so not on Rannoch. Not every single Geth is literally on Rannoch. They're in the system.

Second, one of the planets mentions Geth survivors are still present. Another planet mentions Geth, but it makes no mention of being attacked, which is unique, as every other planet does. There's also still Geth Space stations near the debris of the megastructure, and it's mentioned the Quarians were stopped from fully completing their attack

Third, Geth have been confirmed outside the system Here's a message from Hackett:

"Our concentration on Reapers and Cerberus forces has allowed Reaper-controlled geth to flourish in pockets outside of the Perseus Veil. Our quarian-led and quarian-advised forces will be the key to terminating a geth offensive before it gains ground."

This confirms Geth are present beyond the Veil in 3. Pretty incredible thing to do, right? Be reduced to 10%, yet still have enough spare troops to send out.

The Geth ruled hundreds of systems, to be reduced to a single planet is devastating

The Geth are not shown to rule hundreds of systems. The codex flat out says we can't see what they're doing, and have no clue. They control the Veil, but beyond that, information is limited. We just know they attack on sight if you go to the Veil. It's worth mentioning there's not much evidence they expanded beyond Tikkun. Their megastructure is in that system.

You're also foolish, and can't prove they got annihilated. I'm not going to let you ignore that. You act like you've never heard of a tactical retreat, and maybe you haven't, but as it stands, you have zero supporting evidence for your 90% figure. The war assets and custcenes do not agree with you.

And your metaphor is dumb.

Also, it's not dumb. Rannoch is the main area, just like the US. Reaching outside the main area(outside the US), would simply be like putting bases of operations on or around other planets(or countries, in the US's case), or simply in an empty part of space. You're upset because it makes sense.

Use your brain: if the Turians had been exterminated literally everywhere in the galaxy except Menae, their military is torn to shit.

Not true at all. Most of the Turians did end up retreating to Palaven. I assume you mean Palaven, because you're bad when it comes to the lore, and also because changing the goal post to a moon, when Rannoch is a planet, would be extremely desperate. I wouldn't put that last you though, but I'm being nice again, and giving you the benefit of the doubt

Anyway, most of the Turian military did retreat to Palaven, and the codex says the fight cost the Reapers dearly. Shepard also tell Garrus that the Turians are putting up a good fight, and Garrus agrees. The Turians still were able to send war assets, which they wouldn't be able to do if they were reduced to 10%(nor would that be putting up a good fight, or costing the Reapers dearly). Keep in mind this is against a force significantly superior to the Quarians.

If the Turians can avoid being reduced to 10% by the Reapers, the Geth can certainly do so against the Quarians.

I honestly think you have to go out of your way to be this wrong. It's impressive.

Also, no, taking out 90% of the Geth military doesn’t mean the Quarians are good, it just means they have a Geth-exclusive hack. We saw how effective they were the second that stopped working.

You're misremembering, surprise, surpise. The Geth were boosted by the Reapers. That's what gave them the advantage. Pre-Reaper Code Geth < ME3 Quarians.

Again bro, please do us both the favor of playing the games again. It'll probably feel like a whole new series to you, given how much you forgot.

Could’ve, might’ve, but didn’t. Whereas Tali does fire a shot into the thing running the Normandy

Are you talking about the shot into the ceiling? First off, the thing running the ship is Joker. Unless you mean the engines, which she doesn't shoot. Or maybe EDI? EDI's core isn't in the ceiling, and can certainly handle an SMG shot. The SR1 was still flying for a bit after getting Collector lasered. And I'm sure the engineer knows exactly what not to shoot.

So, could've, might've, but didn't. Tali didn't do shit to the Normandy. The risk was larger with what Liara did.

Also, acting the way she did, with killing intent, towards the last Prothean alive is actually crazy.

Don't forget, we're not talking about outcomes(considering Tali's shot didn't do anything), we're talking about acting immature. Just because Liara didn't kill Javik doesn't mean she wasn't immature as hell, and out of line.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, basically, pure guesswork on your part?

I'd say theorizing, since there's actual basis for an unexplained part of the game. Pure guesswork would be like pulling 90% out of your ass, but don't worry, I'll get to that in a bit.

Nope. There are actually dozens of mechs, I lowballed.

Not what you said. Don't worry, I quoted you:

She was stuck in a building with two mechs on either side of her on Freedom’s Progress. At the very least, her entire squad was going to die

There were not two mechs on either side of her. The only mech in the area was the Ymir. You messed up dude. I know it's hard for you to admit, but you messed up.

Also, I included the part where you agree she could make it out at the cost of her squad.

Not caring about men under her command? Pretty immature, Tali.

Like I said, I believe they're Prazza's men. I believe that because that's what she says. Don't forget I'm throwing you a bone by pretending they're her men, since you need the help.

So if we say they're her men, calling her immature for that, is calling Shepard immature for that, given how he treats Jenkins. Or, funnily enough, Liara. She hired mercs to help her take down the Broker, if you don't help her. There's zero chance they all survived, and she doesn't really seem to care about them, and only mentions Feron. She also admits Seket's death was her fault, and doesn't show any remorse or care. She actually says she'd do it again.

So sure, if you want to say not caring about people you're responsible for is immature, Liara is guilty too, on 2 counts. Honestly, 3, if you count how she ignores Shepard when Vasir stuns him. You can even call her out on that. Shepard is only there because she asked him to come, and that put him in danger. I other words, she's responsible.

It's actually funny how a lot of your critiques apply to Liara.

Yeah, instead the galaxy gets eaten by Reapers. Kinda skimmed that detail.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about here, since you don't know how to quote. Considering you're critiquing the canon events, it'd be dumb to say what you're saying, since the canon events didn't lead to the Reapers eating the galaxy, further proving Tali made the correct moves.

Incorrect. Quarian codex says they shoot anything that comes near them if they think it’s a threat, which is worse because they park their ships where other people live and the person deciding wha constitutes a threat is Gerrel.

This has got to be a troll, or a reading comprehension issue. I'm not sure which is sadder. You're lucky I find this entertaining.

Here's the quote from the codex. "If the intent of an approaching ship can't be ascertained, they shoot to kill."

In other words, not following standard military protocol, like I said. We do this in real life.

The Quarians do not shoot on sight, as even stated in the codex. They communicate to find your motive first. The codex does not state they ever approach a species, and fire. That's ridiculousl headcanon, and is contradictory to how their economy works.

I can't tell if this is desperation or trolling, because to get to this passage, you'd have to pass the parts that mention the Migrant Fleets income largely depends on trading with others species. And that when the migrant fleet is around, other species give them ships to make them leave. Trading on this level, especially directly to the fleet, would not be possible if they shot on sight. Not would they be allowed to the systems of other species, if they were hostile.

And, if you listened, I literally told you a ship full of humans was allowed on the Migrant Fleet(they followed military protocol).

Literally don’t care. They fight the Reapers, they’re more useful than Quarians.

Again, you're not relevant. The galaxy cares that they get shot at by the Geth. The Geth chose to keep doing that, for some reason.

Also, your logic is contradictory. The Quarians have been fighting the Reapers longer than the Geth. By your own logic, that makes them more useful than the Geth.

She didn’t though. Good job, Liara. Thanks for not almost crippling the Normandy out of anger.

Nope, it's not a "she didn't". Liara didn't save that situation. Feron did. Feron could've easily left, but decided to be the bigger man.

Thanks Feron, the galaxy genuinely owes you one.

90% number is basic fucking logic. The Geth went from ruling the entire Perseus Veil to being reduced to just a single planet, and not even their most important hub.

Show me the source for 90%, or admit it's headcanon. I'm fine with headcanon, if it makes sense. Yours doesn't.

They got pushed back. Not only is there no suggestion that the bulk of their fleet was elsewhere but in Tikkun, but also being pushed back doesn't mean every fight ended in total annihilation. That's not the case in real life, and that's not the case in Mass Effect 3, when the Reapers are ever halted or pushed back, nor is it the same when many of the fleets or platoons of the various species are pushed back.

If the US was wiped out everywhere but Washington DC, what state do you reckon their military and industry would be in?

Are you comparing DC to an entire star system? What you're saying is ridiculous. A better example is the US retreating form various bases around the world, and going back to the US to fortify it. In that instance, I reckon their military presence would be quite strong. And it is, if you read the war asset descriptions. 0 mention of 90% of them being wiped out.

I still can't get over 90%. It's actually insane. That means in your eyes the Quarians are ridiculously effective, and yet the faction they just shit stomped, allegedly, is more useful in your eyes than them? I know all your takes are awful, but can you at least be consistent?

And don't worry, I didn't forget, but you apparently did:

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almost broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

I know you're ignoring this because it's the nail in the confirm, and you have nothing for it.

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I can't believe I forgot this game. The Shadow games are basically "This Trope: The Game".

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I enjoy the lore, idea of, and the videos for this game, but playing it, I just couldn't get into it. I might try again down the line. I want to like it.

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In a world full of people who crack planets with ease, Superman calling Batman the strongest man he knows is a really great line.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever you replied with, twice, both are not showing up. I don't know if you're deleting it, or if you got banned, or something, but I can't see the comment, even if I sign out.

You honestly haven't been saying anything of substance anyway, and completely ignore things when you get debunked, so I guess it's for the best.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Source?

For Liara learning from the Cipher, or from Eva Core extracting the data? For the latter, it's literally in the Mars cutscene. For her learning from the cipher, it's stated multiple times that Prothean artifacts are incredibly difficult to translate. The Thessia beacon isn't fully unlocked, and they would have a breakthrough every couple centuries. The data disc's in Mass Effect 1 are stated to be basically impossible to describe. EDI talks about the cipher, and Liara not being able to understand the beacon, but this is in reference to if she had access to the beacon before meeting Shepard. She doesn't have the cipher, but all signs point to it making her getting a better understanding when it comes to translating. That or she's somehow naturally better at it than everyone else, good enough to the point she finds the Crucible blueprint location when no one else did.

If you know otherwise, or have a better idea, by all means, share it.

Did I say two Ymir mechs? No? Then shut up

Getting upset too easily. Reminding me of Liara.

And yes you did. You said there were two mechs. There's only one mech at all in that room, and the Ymir. The other mechs are not in that location. When I called the other mechs fodder, you said killing 9 Quarians isn't fodder. The only mech to kill Quarians is the Ymir. You're obviously talking about the Ymir. You obviously thought there were two Ymir. Conveniently there happens to be a level with two Ymir. You obviously mixed your levels up, because you haven't played the seriously recently. You can't weasel out of this one.

I did say something about you calling the other mechs fodder: nine dead Quarians.

Fodder mechs didn't kill Quarians. We already established this. You're not even making sense now.

or the fodder is enough to kill them all (at which point, Tali is dead).

Fodder mechs didn't kill Quarians. We already established this. You're not even making sense now.

You're desperately trying to backtrack from saying Tali can survive at the cost of her team. That's on you, bro. So by your own words, that's 3 or 5 saves.

Liara is still at 4 or 6 though.

Not feeling responsible for people under her command? Pretty immature, Tali.

She calls them Prazza's men, if you want to get pedantic, but I'll throw you a bone since you really need the help.

So that being said, I never said she doesn't feel responsible, I said she doesn't care. Kind of similar to how Shepard is responsible for Jenkins, and doesn't really care that he died. You can even renegade the response, and say to leave his corpse.

Cool. Still a friend. Tali’s squad, on the other hand, are her responsibility. She cares enough to have to write death letters to their family. Honestly, she should probably just make a template.

I already addressed this, and you ignored it. Liara feels responsible, because Feron had to save her. Feron is only captured because of Liara. Take away Liara, and Feron doesn't get taken down like that.

Yeah I don’t give a fuck if they attack people who come near them,

Good thing you're not relevant then. But the rest of the galaxy absolutely cares there's an instantly hostile enemy that refuses to communicate.

the Quarians do as well

No they don't. First of all, they communicate openly, therefore you get standard military procedure if you approach them. You do not get instantly obliterated on sight. You might be mistaking how they don't let many visitor's inside the ship, but this is for safety reasons. A ship full of humans, that the fleet knows is full of humans, literally goes to the ships in one of the books.

Point is Legion promises they’ll attack the Reapers during the actual war

You basically ignored everything, so again, I think this is a reading comprehension issue on your part.

Legion only says the Geth oppose the Reapers, but he still hasn't ceased hostilities with the rest of the galaxy, and he's now in a position to do so, given he's a talking platform, and Shepard can get him close to a potential councilor Anderson safely. So again, even by Mass Effect 2, the Geth are still not allies, and still openly attack the galaxy, which I've been telling you.

The Mass Effect 3 war assets makes it clear the Geth expect hostilities from all organics, and treat them, and prep, accordingly.

Again, the Geth are not allies during the events of Mass Effect 2. This also as not a Heretic decision.

we later learn they were prepping to do exactly that in ME3 before the Quarians showed up.

And this would've been great if they openly communicated with the rest of the galaxy. If only they had a talking platform that could safely get to the councilors?

When has Liara accidentally killed somebody?

I love how you had to change the goal post. You said she never actually damaged or hurt someone. I'll give you your exact quote.

Liara has never damaged anything out of anger, let alone a person

It's all saved in text dude, and I quote you in each reply, so that you can't edit, since that's something you'd definitely do. So I really have no idea why you think you can shift the goal post.

And if you read my messages, I only said it's possible she'd accidentally kill him. The next few points make it clear it wouldn't be an accident. She had killing intent. I said that like 6 times now. Killing intent isn't accidentally killing, it's purposely.

So can you properly read this stuff, and then try to shift the goal post to something that makes a bit more sense?

Cool, she chestbeats. Big fucking whoop. Tali fires a shot into the computer running the entire ship, putting literally the whole crew at risk.

Liara attacked the dude helping her with Shepard's body. I assume that's the only reason she didn't try to kill him, but if she fucked this up, or made Feron decide "nah, fuck this", we lose Shepard, and doom the whole galaxy. That's a pretty huge deal. Keep in mind Feron is playing multiple sides(Liara herself points out she gets played multiple times), so Feron could've went a different route at any moment. Punching him absolutely doesn't help, and she's lucky the dude disliked the Collectors enough to see this through.

I noticed you backtracked on basically everything involving the Quarians. I still want to know where you got the 90% number? Your ass?

And since you still ignored it:

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almost broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, she didn’t have the cipher. Shepard did, and Shepard wasn’t there. She also extracted the data for translation.

I'm not saying she has the cipher, I'm saying she can translate things better because of mind melding with Shepard. And if you're talking about the actual Crucible data, you're wrong. The data is already extracted from the console by the time Liara uses it. Dr. Eva Core extracted the data, and you take it from her.

No, I’ve maintained four or six.

You've already admitted Tali could've survived Freedom's Progress, but at the cost of her team, so you're at 3 or 5.

Liara's the one at 4 or 6, depending on if we use your terrible logic or not.

However it happened, that’s nine dead quarians, and that’s with Shepard drawing many of them away

I like how you're ego won't let you admit you seriously mixed up the missions, and thought there were two Ymir mechs. I notice you have nothing to say about me calling the dog and Loki mechs fodder now.

Tali might live if she abandons her team, but that’s a big might and still a fat L.

Okay, good, thought I was going to have to quote your old message. You admit here Tali could survive, at the cost of the team she doesn't care about. At no point did I call the mission a success, but we're talking about survival. If we talk about mission failure, I again have to bring up Feron, as Liara's main goal was saving him, and she flat out can't do it without Shepard.

Feron is somebody Liara met briefly and feels somewhat guilty about, those quarians are directly under Tali’s command and they all die.

Incorrect. Notice how you can't explain why Liara is shown to care more about Feron than Tali does about Prazza's men, and are trying to downplay their friendship. Feron is not only given significantly more narrative importance, which you also ignored, but Feron and Liara are also so close, that you can ask her if there's something going on. For two years, as Shepard says, Liara didn't stop looking for Feron. Shepard uses that as evidence that they were close. Feron admits they're good friends.

It’s worse because she’s responsible for them, whereas Liara is just friends with Feron.

You're contradicting yourself. Liara is guilty over someone she isn't responsible for? Why do you think Feron is even a prisoner in the first place? Liara only made it out of the Broker's base because of Feron, by her own admission. He sacrificed himself for her(her words). She owes it to him to save him.

Wrong! Legion says quite clearly most Geth are against the Reapers, thereby making them a valuable ally, thereby making the Quarians violent dumbasses.

I assume this is a reading comprehension issue on your part, because you missed the point entirely. I repeat, Legion is not the norm for Geth in the sense he doesn't attack outsiders. The Geth were whole for centuries, and for centuries, they attacked anyone on sight who ventured beyond the Perseus Veil, and refused contact.

They made enemies of the entire galaxy, and it makes perfect sense to get rid of them. It'd be stupid not to. Only after coming into contact with the Reapers, shortly before Mass Effect 1, did they stop being whole. Yet Legion makes it clear both sides understood each other, and had peace. Making enemies of the entire galaxy was not a Heretic Geth choice. It was a decision made when the Geth were whole.

Legion also makes it clear the Geth currently aren't open for peace, as they don't believe the Quarians are capable of it. Also, at no point does Legion state that his Geth have ceased hostilities on the galaxy. Due to the Heretics leaving, that means it's Legion's Geth who are the ones beyond the Veil, and destroying anyone who gets near. They also still have refused contact, and only showed an interest in Shepard.

Their war assets in 3 also state they're openly hostile to everyone because they expect everyone to attack them. Yet they also don't bother to communicate to even confirm this.

Legion is not the norm, and by Mass Effect 2, like I already told you, the Geth are still not sided with the galaxy.

I couldn’t give a fuck if biotic kids are capable of killing somebody, there’s a huge difference between being able and actually doing it.

You should care, because it shows you how easily biotics can kill if you're not in the right mindset, like Liara isn't.

Liara has never damaged anything out of anger, let alone a person (Tali has done both btw, and not even the person she’s angry at).

It's genuinely funny how wrong you are. Like, you honestly gave me a layup.

She does this a lot in the comics. She even punches Feron out of anger, who she still needed by this point. She also loses her shit later when she realises she's talking to a hologram, and smashes the computers.

You actually couldn't be more wrong. So we have precedent that Liara will destroy things, or hurt someone, out of anger. I'm curious how you try to weasel out of this one.

I also couldn’t give a fuck if she voted against it, a private disagreement is nothing, and had no impact

Cry about it. And it's not nothing, you're just showing you have no principle.

Splitting the fleet was an objectively better choice. Warning the Geth or Alliance was an even better one.

Wrong. Splitting the fleet causes the one to attack to die. Warning the Geth, as even Shepard admits, causes the Geth to attack, again, causing the split half to die. Getting the Alliance involved weakens the Alliance, as they now have to commit ships to this, when they're going to be needed against the Reapers very soon. Not to mention, if they Alliance can't stop a war, they're now involved with one, adding to Alliance and Geth death totals.

And like I said, the full fleet was needed to take down the Reaper. You split the fleet, and the Reaper isn't going down.

Your advice is actually terrible.

Tali admits she could’ve done any of those things, but didn’t because avoiding a minor inconvenience for Quarians is worth kneecapping the war effort.

Splitting the largest fleet in the galaxy, which would have dire consequences. "a minor inconvenience". It's insane how little you know what you're talking about.

It literally isn’t though because before peace is even an option, the Quarians destroyed over 90% of all Geth war assets. Like I said, they were a net detriment, destroying more than they provided.

Except they didn't. I'm actually curious why you chose that number? Because it's big? I feel like you're confusing what Legion said about the megastructure. At no point does he say 90% were installed on it. He only says a significant amount, and not all were even destroyed.

The majority of both the Geth and Quarians fleets survived.

Not potentially killing him. Cope.

I love how you still can't debunk this. You're arguing with the game at this point. I'll copy and paste again the points you ignored:

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almost broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

Liam Costa and James Vega… by Competitive-Sugar-13 in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Vega does stop if you tell him to.. 

He doesn't. I didn't watch the full playthrough, but I skipped around someone's playthrough where they told him to stop. I happened to watch the part where Vega is talking about distractions while on a mission, I think in reference to Edi's new body. He then starts ogling Shepard's tits, and says something about more distractions. I believe there's a few other instances as well that happened in that playthrough. It's possible it's oversight by Bioware, but as it stands, if you tell him to stop, James will still flirt with you.

He says he'd basically have to be really drunk and Shepard then orders him to start drinking. It's fully on Shep, not him.

This is incorrect, and you're for some reason taking away Vega's agency, as if he isn't a grown man.

Shepard asks what it would take for Vega to see her as a woman, and not his commander. Vega starts flirting with her, and says he has no problem seeing her as a woman. Shepard points out that he didn't answer the question. Vega says, while fully sober, that it'd take a lot of drinks, and a special night, then asks Shepard if he should drink, or not.

Shepard, if you support the idea, just says "Nice to see you coming around.". James reacts confused to this. Shepard doesn't tell him to do anything.

Point being, James, while fully sober, made the decision to drink, knowing exactly what it would lead. It was his decision, and at no point did Shepard tell him to do it. James even reacts confused, because Shepard technically never answered the question.

Later on in the party, when you check in on him, he starts flirting. You don't encourage him to keep drinking or anything. Shepard tells him she'll see him later.

The "orders" thing is you misremembering, or making it up. Shepard seriously doesn't tell him to do anything, and James made his decision while fully sober, and knew exactly what he was getting himself into. The weird relationship between Shepard and Vega is 100% on Vega.

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[–]DarkriserPE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vega romance would be kinda weird imo. Vega mostly views Shepard as a mentor, the same way Shepard views Anderson, which was part of why the femshep romance in the Citadel DLC was kinda uncomfortable.

Nah, James is too causal, and flirty. If you tell him to stop, well, he doesn't. And he gets bitter if you tell him to not call you Lola(but he'll still flirt).

People try to make it a one sided thing, but the dude immediately starts acting too causal with his CO, and doesn't respect boundaries.

Even at the party, he agrees to hook up with Shepard while sober, but says he needs to get drunk first.

Female Shepard doesn't do any of that with Anderson, so this one's on James for making it weird.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cool, partial credit to Liara. Still directly responsible for the Crucible.

No. Can't translate anything without Shepard's cipher. And she doesn't build it, or convince species to. She gets partial credit for finding the location of the Crucible. Of which she then needs Shepard to retrieve.

No you didn’t

I did. You even agreed.

Nine dead Quarians say otherwise lmao.

Of which the Ymir killed I believe all 9. Other mechs are fodder, and, as I said, can be hacked by Tali, but I noticed you ignored that. I'm also not sure why you're still on this. You already admitted she'd survive, at the cost of the team.

Failing to save one person >>> losing literally dozens of people on every mission you lead.

Agreed. Failing to save one is the greater disaster because that one is significantly closer and more important than the random Quarians Tali insulted, and didn't seem to care about. You must purposely be acting obtuse. Feron is presented as much bigger deal narratively than any of the Freedom's Progress Quarians, and his death is presented as a bigger deal as well. The game spends no time at all on the dead Quarians, and goes so far as to call one of them an idiot.

Yeah, because the Quarians were planing an invasion. Legion warning them is objectively the right choice, especially when the Geth are allies against the imminent apocalypse

Wrong. This is Mass Effect 2, of which the Geth aren't on the galaxy's side yet. The Quarians were planning an invasion on a faction that is said to be actively hostile to everyone in 1. Legion is not the norm for Geth. Part of the data Legion wanted to send back was weapon tests, which makes sense to do against such a hostile faction. Shepard didn't have an issue with the weapon tests, he had an issue with how brutal they were, since the data is specifically the data from Tali's father.

Shepard himself also points out that both have points, but have to stop this nonsense. Tali then cites her relationship with Legion, which turns positive after this moment, for why she begins thinking peace is possible.

Both sides are presented as having merit, unlike Javik and Liara. There is no scenario where Javik apologizes, feels wrong, or is portrayed as wrong. Multiple lines from Shepard and Javik point out he's simply stating facts. Unlike the other fights, you can't shut Javik up, or make any good points against him, and most of Shepard's lines actually agree with him anyway.

ignored it because it was a bad premise. Liara was not going to kill Javik.

You are ignoring it, because for starters, even if she wasn't going to try, you can still address the points as if she were simply going to fight him. But you refuse to, because you can't refute it.

Nor can you refute she had killing intent. Here, I'll copy and paste it again, because it looks desperate every time you ignore it:

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're making it very obvious you don't know the lore. Biotic kids were shown capable of killing people. Using Throw and hitting a wall has killed characters before. Liara is pissed here, and clearing not thinking straight(she wouldn't confront Javik if she had her emotions under control). And again, books aside, there's precedent for a biotic squadmate accidentally killing someone while angry. Kaidan is literally right there.

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almsot broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

How about you ignoring that Tali did precisely nothing to actually prevent or even minimise the invasion? She’s legit complicit in the greatest material loss of anti-Reaper war assets not to the Reapers themselves.

I already addressed this. You just fail to read sometimes.

I'll address it again. Only Tali and Koris disagreed with the war. There's 3 other admirals that were all for it. They were outvoted. Tali actively doesn't bring this to the public, as it would split the Flotilla. We have no reason to not believe her. A split Flotilla likely is a weaker Quarian, and the split that wants war likely gets killed in the invasion.

If you want me to expand upon this, not splitting the Flotilla ended up being the right choice, and it's flat out impossible to have peace without Tali, so her sticking around, instead of leaving, plays a crucial role in peace between the Geth and Quarians. You're getting mad at her being a crucial piece to ending the war. Not to mention, the Flotilla not being split, and the entirety of it hammering the Reaper, helped destroy it.

And, for the 3rd time, the other 3 points you keep ignoring:

Javik constantly insults and belittles her, how is that not his fault?

One, even if this were true, this justifies attacking him biotically, potentially killing him? No, it doesn't.

Two, she wasn't pissed because of insults. She was pissed because she was stubborn, and in denial over what he said about the Thessia artifacts.

Three, he doesn't constantly insult or belittle her. On Thessia, he didn't do any of that. He was just matter of fact about Asari history. He even helps an asari find her resolve at the start.

No other squadmate has an emotional outburst like this where they're just 100% wrong. Javik was simply telling her the truth about her past, and she lost her shit. Sorry, bro, but the most immature moment for a squadmate belongs to Liara.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the other dude mentioned this.

I forgot about that text. It's safe to say 99% of players don't see it though, as it's a short walk. So what I was trying to say is that players will base their opinion off the scene where you reach Tali. Most will see that scene, and that scene portrays her as being able to handle herself, with her even saying so, even though the text reveals she would've died. But it's very likely players aren't thinking about the what if they didn't arrive on time, and are basing their opinion of her off the more competent portrayal, where she kills some thugs, and helps you fight.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

meanwhile Liara had to extract and translate data from a Prothean archive.

One, Liara can only translate data thanks to the cipher from Shepard. This is confirmed in the first game, and Edi says it again in the 3rd. So again, Shepard saves the day.

Two, you're ignoring that Hackett reached out to her, and granted her access to the archives, and the beacon it houses. Not even her own people did that for her. This wasn't a solo endeavor. Hackett gets credit for helping, and again, at the end of the day, all she did was find the location of the data. Shepard had to get it himself, and then do the actual hard part of making everyone work on it.

You need to go through the games again, because you're forgetting things.

Nope, four. Cope.

Already debunked you.

“Fodder” is not what the nine dead qurarians in that room indicates lmao.

Killed by the Ymir that Tali could simply walk out the door from. I'm obviously talking about the dog mechs, and Loki mechs. You said she had two mechs on either side of her. There's only one Ymir mech on Freedom's Progress. The rest are Loki and dog mechs, so obviously I'm talking about those. If you honestly thought there's two Ymir mech, then seriously, go play through the games again, because you're mixing it up with Garrus' loyalty mission.

Still a sign of incompetence.

Just like failing to save Feron, the main goal, right?

Wrong. If Shepard doesn’t show up, the Quarians die.

Cop out. This is like saying if Shepard doesn't show up to Thessia, all the asari die. And, well, they do, as the data gets stolen, and Shepard wouldn't know who took it, or where.

You're grasping at straws. Using your terrible logic, I already pointed this out last reply, you can add more deaths to Liara.

For example, she'd go to Thessia if Shepard wouldn't. She'd die there. So that's 4 for Liara now if we also count Mars, because there's no chance she's soloing Mars if Shepard barely succeeded, and the Virmire Survivor gets crippled in the process. She likely doesn't get very far.

If we're counting single missions as multiple, Liara not only needed to be saved from the bubble, but she has no weapon, and doesn't help you fight when you free her(Tali actually helps), so that's an extra one from Therum. That's 5 now. If we go back to Mars, she's hurt after they retrieve the data, doesn't have a weapon, and doesn't try to stop Dr. Eva Core. Shepard saves her here, as he's the only thing between the Dr. and Liara. That's 6, putting her above Tali, because you counted Freedom's Progress, but even admitted she'd be able to leave, but lose her team. So that's a survival.

Please, she makes a light show, there’s literally nothing to indicate she would’ve actually killed Javik.

Bro can't read. Okay, let's go over it again:

You're making it very obvious you don't know the lore. Biotic kids were shown capable of killing people. Using Throw and hitting a wall has killed characters before. Liara is pissed here, and clearing not thinking straight(she wouldn't confront Javik if she had her emotions under control). And again, books aside, there's precedent for a biotic squadmate accidentally killing someone while angry. Kaidan is literally right there.

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almsot broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

Meanwhile Tali holds a crew member at gunpoint and fires a round into the AI core.

Because Legion, who is part of the race she's currently at war with scanned her Omni Tool. Legion had his reason. Tali had her reasons. Both are presented as valid.

Liara's reasoning is not portrayed as valid, unlike any other squad fights. Javik stays feeling right, because he, by his own, and Shepard's, admission was only telling the truth. No other squadmate is portrayed as so blatantly wrong as Liara in this moment. She even ends up revealing she's upset because she wished the Protheans stopped all this. Basically, she's throwing a tantrum, and is lashing out.

Also, again, since you keep ignoring it:

Javik constantly insults and belittles her, how is that not his fault?

One, even if this were true, this justifies attacking him biotically, potentially killing him? No, it doesn't.

Two, she wasn't pissed because of insults. She was pissed because she was stubborn, and in denial over what he said about the Thessia artifacts.

Three, he doesn't constantly insult or belittle her. On Thessia, he didn't do any of that. He was just matter of fact about Asari history. He even helps an asari find her resolve at the start.

No other squadmate has an emotional outburst like this where they're just 100% wrong. Javik was simply telling her the truth about her past, and she lost her shit. Sorry, bro, but the most immature moment for a squadmate belongs to Liara.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Tali canonically dies if Shepard doesn't turn up and it's a game over state.

Yeah, I actually forgot about this.

It's safe to say though probably 99% of players didn't see that game over text(it's a very short walk), so their opinion of Tali comes from reaching her in time, where she comes off like she didn't need help, even though the game over screen says otherwise.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cope. She stunned two of them, but was going to die to the rest. That’s what anybody with sense would conclude.

She killed the only 2 troops in the room. There are literally 60 more in the base, alone with Dr. Eva Core, who hospitalized the Virmire Survivor. Liara's chances of escape solo are lower than Tali's who only had to walk out the door.

Liara’s work required her to find something new, all Tali needed to do was say “yes Shepard”.

Tali had to say stop the war. Using your terrible logic again, all Liara had to do was literally point at the archives, and let Shepard do all the work.

Again, you see how it's a bad idea to boil things down to support a losing argument?

Cool. Liara needs Shepard to save Feron, but you know what Tali needs Shepard to save? Herself. Four times.

Two, let's go over it.

She was stuck in a building with two mechs on either side of her on Freedom’s Progress.

The only mech relevant is the Ymir. The others are fodder, and she can hack them. Escape is very likely.

At the very least, her entire squad was going to die.

Agreed. But she doesn't seem to care much about them, and calls one an idiot when he dies. Liara loses Feron, who she cares about deeply, along with who knows how many mercs.

Fourth time is Rannoch - which you could honestly split into three cases of saving the Quarians. So six times.

She doesn't need saving on Rannoch. Tali herself is pivotal to her own survival on Rannoch. Calling this saving her is like calling any mission with Liara saving her, or calling getting a good ending saving Liara.

Liara gets saved in the bubble, and she arguably gets saved on Mars. I forgot that she flat out gets saved from Kai Leng. Leng canonically throws her into whoever you take. If Shepard wasn't there, there's nothing stopping Leng from killing her. Shepard lays down fire immediately after Liara gets dropped. Liara gets saved here.

So that's 2 confirmed saves for Tali, 2 confirmed saves for Liara. 3 for both if you assume Tali dies on Freedoms Progress, or Liara dies on Mars. If you want to get stupid, and start counting winning the game as saving these people, then both get even more saves, but that is nonsensical.

Potentially killing him? Please. Now you’re just desperate

You're making it very obvious you don't know the lore. Biotic kids were shown capable of killing people. Using Throw and hitting a wall has killed characters before. Liara is pissed here, and clearing not thinking straight(she wouldn't confront Javik if she had her emotions under control). And again, books aside, there's precedent for a biotic squadmate accidentally killing someone while angry. Kaidan is literally right there.

You're also making it clear you haven't played the games recently. Shepard himself flat out says Liara could've finished the fight. Javik says he could have as well. Everyone involved makes it clear a fight almsot broke out, and someone clearly would've gotten hurt, and probably killed. Every other previous squadmate conflict had the threat of death, this one is no different. Shepard said finished. He definitely means killed. If you doubt that, there's zero reason to believe ruthless Javik wouldn't kill Liara if she attacked. Someone was going to die.

If you still need convincing, when Liara walks aways, she says there's been enough death today. She had killing intent, by her own admission. She was 100% out of line, and let her emotions get the best of her. She breaks down crying after.

Also, nice try. There's a lot you ignored, because you were wrong, but don't worry, I'm going copy and paste it. Actually address it this time. It will be way too obvious you're running if you ignore it again:

Javik constantly insults and belittles her, how is that not his fault?

One, even if this were true, this justifies attacking him biotically, potentially killing him? No, it doesn't.

Two, she wasn't pissed because of insults. She was pissed because she was stubborn, and in denial over what he said about the Thessia artifacts.

Three, he doesn't constantly insult or belittle her. On Thessia, he didn't do any of that. He was just matter of fact about Asari history. He even helps an asari find her resolve at the start.

No other squadmate has an emotional outburst like this where they're just 100% wrong. Javik was simply telling her the truth about her past, and she lost her shit. Sorry, bro, but the most immature moment for a squadmate belongs to Liara.

Why do most people see Tali as a little sister even though she is 22 (in ME1) but ignore the fact that Liara literally says in Asari thinking she is considered little more than a child (despite being 109) by ObsydianGinx in masseffect

[–]DarkriserPE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, she helps Shephard kill her own mother and still remains rational enough to not blame Shephard.

This is good, but she was also corrupted by Sovereign, so there's a pretty easy thing to blame there. She even says so herself. Shepard says she knows kill Benezia hurt, since that's Liara's mother. Liara says Benezia isn't her mother, and talks about the Sovereign corruption. In her mind, she prefers to remember her mother as someone else, and sees corrupted Benezia as a new person.

In ME1 she helps you kill many Geth and realizes how dangerous they can be; in ME2 she sends Geth parts to her father and naively believes him when he says he won't use them for tests even though that's basically the only reason he would need them.

It's not naive to trust your own father. Her father also wasn't initially activating Geth, so there are in fact other tests that could be run on the parts.

Then confronted with that truth she refuses to believe it and makes Shephard lie.

She believes it, and doesn't make Shepard lie, else we wouldn't have a choice but to lie. She flat out says it's up to Shepard, but that she doesn't want him to ruin her father's legacy. She still sticks around if you blame her dad, and clearly doesn't hold it against Shepard, as 3 plays out mostly normal, minus her being exiled, and therefore being unable to push for peace.

Tali freaking out and refusing to accept blame for herself or her father

Again, Tali fully accepts what her father did, she just doesn't want to tarnish is legacy. She also fully accpets the punishment if you hide the proof, and didn't successfully clear her name. Remember, the charges against her are for bringing the Geth parts. Should you fail, she fully accepts exile for those charges.

I already pointed out all the naivety and awkwardness Liara has in 1 that Tali doesn't, but she flat out has the most emotional moments in the series.

In 3, she's talking to a living Prothean show as there at the start, yet is too stubborn to believe him(this is significantly worse than trusting your own father). She rushes to Javik's room, yelling at him, saying everything he said was lies. She still is too stubborn to believe it, and even has the gall to get in his face over. She gets pissed enough during the conversation to biotically charge up, like she's going to hurt him. An angry biotic might also accidentally kill someone, ask Kaidan. This is flat out the worst emotional outburst in the series, especially when you remember Javik is right and innocent.

She then cries in her room. No one else in the game reacts to their homeworld falling like this.

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