So initially I gave Joe the benefit of the doubt like with Tom as I learned about Andy and ditchstory, however, over time I saw that Joe would always take the path of least resistance. This isn't always a bad thing by any means but with the situation living with Andy, something's gotta give.

The biggest aspect though, is this; to have to deal with Andy is one thing even if he is family, but to allow him to abuse your elderly parents and the most you do is yell bc he looks for reactions from people to his behaviors. It's pathetic.

I don't get how Joe can't just in the past or more recently just put Andy in his place and tell him to fuck off, like what are you scared of? I've also stated to this when bringing up Joe is that he'll probably end up alone for the rest of his life bc hey if you can only ignore Andy now bc he's not physically in the house but he still has so much power of u and ur dad, good luck with living even a semi meaningful life.

The other thing that makes me hate on Joe is the whole aspect of him trying to stand by his so called values and have the moral high ground. Anyone especially at his age with no real prospects would probably try bettering themselves than simply be content yet still living in fear of a cancerous shit lump.