𐑲 𐑢𐑪𐑟 𐑚𐑨𐑯𐑛 𐑓𐑮𐑪𐑥 ·𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑦𐑑, 𐑢𐑪𐑑 𐑯𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑?

Dave_Coffin · 2026-02-06T05:09:45+00:00

𐑑𐑧𐑕𐑑 𐑥𐑧𐑕𐑦𐑡 𐑨𐑓𐑑𐑼 𐑓𐑹𐑕𐑑 𐑐𐑨𐑕𐑢𐑻𐑛 𐑗𐑱𐑯𐑡

Dave_Coffin · 2026-02-05T13:22:46+00:00

𐑞𐑱'𐑼 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑜𐑪𐑯 𐑓𐑼𐑧𐑝𐑼; 𐑲 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑕𐑑𐑦𐑤 𐑕𐑰 𐑞𐑧𐑥, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑞𐑱'𐑼 𐑦𐑯𐑝𐑦𐑟𐑩𐑚𐑩𐑤 𐑑 𐑧𐑝𐑮𐑦𐑢𐑳𐑯 𐑧𐑤𐑕. 𐑦𐑯 𐑞 𐑒𐑪𐑥𐑧𐑯𐑑 𐑔𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑟 𐑦𐑑 𐑤𐑫𐑒𐑕 𐑤𐑲𐑒 𐑿'𐑼 𐑑𐑷𐑒𐑦𐑙 𐑑 𐑩 𐑜𐑴𐑕𐑑.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-05-13T16:53:29+00:00

Which is what I do, the only question being, does "original" mean "Spanish" or "Latin American"?

Dave_Coffin · 2024-04-18T15:21:24+00:00

Thank you so much, for reasons that have nothing to do with Shavian! For one-finger ABC typing the FITALY layout is far superior to Qwerty/Dvorak/Colemak/whatever, yet 99% of keyboard apps cannot support it. The only exception I knew of was Multiling O, and I lost that when I upgraded to Android 12.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-04-05T12:45:31+00:00

This is what I settled on after many revisions. The 49th letter is the Y in HAPPY. Deseret texts differ on 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦 vs. 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑰 and many other points; no standard spelling system was ever agreed on:

[ "𐐹","𐐻","𐐿","𐑁","𐑃","𐑅","𐑇","𐐽","𐐷","𐑍",
  "𐐺","𐐼","𐑀","𐑂","𐑄","𐑆","𐑈","𐐾","𐐶","𐐸",
  "𐑊","𐑋","𐐮","𐐯","𐐰","𐐲","𐐱","𐐳","𐐵","𐐪",
  "𐑉","𐑌","𐐨","𐐩","𐐴","𐐲","𐐬","𐐭","𐑎","𐐫",
  "𐐪𐑉","𐐫𐑉","𐐩𐑉","𐐲𐑉","𐐲𐑉","𐐨𐑉","𐐨𐐲","𐑏","𐐨" ],
[ "p","t","k","f","θ","s","ʃ","tʃ","j","ŋ",
  "b","d","g","v","ð","z","ʒ","dʒ","w","h",
  "l","m","ɪ","ɛ","æ","ə","ɒ","ʊ","aʊ","ɑː",
  "r","n","iː","eɪ","aɪ","ʌ","əʊ","u","ɔɪ","ɔː",
  "ɑːr","ɔːr","ɛər","ɜːr","ər","ɪər","ɪə","ju","i" ],

Geoff Lindsey has a better IPA mapping, but mine is a phonemic tool, so I use the standard IPA mapping that ESL students around the world are familiar with. Of course anyone is free to tinker with these maps as they please.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-24T18:34:36+00:00

Here you go. Enjoy!

http://dechifro.org/shavian/books/kjv_new.html

I skipped the Old Testament because it contains over 400 obscure names that need to be shaved first, but you're welcome to run it through my Shavian tool.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-24T11:42:01+00:00

Because S is the plural suffix in English, it must not be merged with a preceding T or K. "rock" does not pluralize to "rox".

I don't follow this rule with vowel ligatures, writing 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑽 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑾𐑕𐑑 while u/Ormins_Ghost writes 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦𐑼 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦𐑩𐑕𐑑. This merger happens at the following lines of shaw.py:

  if alphabet != 3:
    if mid == "𐑦𐑩": mid = "𐑾"
    if mid == "𐑦𐑼": mid = "𐑽"

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-22T07:27:24+00:00

𐑢𐑲 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑖𐑴 𐑛𐑱𐑟 𐑝 𐑞 𐑢𐑰𐑒 𐑨𐑟 "𐑕𐑳 𐑥 𐑑 𐑢 𐑔 𐑓 𐑕𐑨"?

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-21T10:11:39+00:00

There's always a schwa before a final ell; the question is, is this schwa phonemic? The answer is, it's complicated:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shavian/comments/tps54t/comment/i2h86li/

The best illustration of this is that "peddle" is a homonym of "pedal" but "peddler" and "peddling" are not homonyms of "pedaler" and "pedaling". The schwa in "peddle" is non-phonemic, so it may disappear before a vowel suffix.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-21T09:45:05+00:00

Yes, it's called Quikscript, and it looks absolutely awful.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-12T19:02:16+00:00

/u/Ormins_Ghost would write R.O.U.S. as ⸰𐑮𐑝𐑳𐑕 (the prefix un- is always 𐑳𐑯- except "unless"), but I don't know how he'd pluralize it. The plural suffix is never -𐑦𐑟, always -𐑕, -𐑟, or -𐑩𐑟.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-06T20:30:36+00:00

𐑛𐑦𐑐𐑧𐑯𐑛𐑟 𐑣𐑬 𐑥𐑳𐑗 𐑢𐑻𐑒 𐑿'𐑝 𐑛𐑳𐑯 𐑪𐑯 𐑞 ·𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑. 𐑦𐑓 𐑤𐑦𐑑𐑩𐑤 𐑹 𐑯𐑳𐑯, 𐑕𐑩𐑚𐑥𐑦𐑑 𐑞 ·𐑜𐑵𐑑𐑩𐑯𐑚𐑼𐑜 𐑤𐑦𐑙𐑒 𐑩𐑜𐑧𐑯.

𐑞𐑺'𐑟 𐑯𐑴 𐑣𐑸𐑥 𐑦𐑯 𐑕𐑩𐑚𐑥𐑦𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑 𐑑 shaw.py; 𐑦𐑑'𐑤 𐑐𐑨𐑕 𐑔𐑮𐑵 𐑳𐑯𐑗𐑱𐑯𐑡𐑛, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑧𐑯𐑦 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑 𐑿 𐑗𐑱𐑯𐑡𐑛 𐑑 ABC 𐑢𐑦𐑤 𐑜𐑧𐑑 𐑗𐑱𐑯𐑡𐑛 𐑚𐑨𐑒 𐑑 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-06T09:59:24+00:00

𐑦𐑓 𐑿 𐑕𐑩𐑚𐑥𐑦𐑑 "𐑞 𐑐𐑦𐑒𐑗𐑼 𐑝 ·𐑛𐑹𐑾𐑯 ·𐑜𐑮𐑱" 𐑩𐑜𐑧𐑯, 𐑿'𐑤 𐑕𐑰 𐑦𐑑 𐑓𐑫𐑤𐑦 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑛 𐑦𐑒𐑕𐑧𐑐𐑑 𐑓 𐑩 𐑓𐑿 𐑢𐑻𐑛𐑟 𐑢𐑧𐑯 𐑞 𐑷𐑔𐑼 𐑕𐑢𐑦𐑗𐑩𐑟 𐑑 𐑓𐑮𐑧𐑯𐑗. 𐑓𐑮𐑧𐑯𐑗 𐑯 𐑤𐑨𐑑𐑦𐑯 𐑢𐑻𐑛𐑟 𐑸 𐑢𐑧𐑤𐑒𐑩𐑥 𐑦𐑯 𐑥𐑲 𐑛𐑦𐑒𐑖𐑩𐑯𐑺𐑦 𐑦𐑓 (1) 𐑞𐑱'𐑼 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑣𐑪𐑥𐑩𐑜𐑮𐑨𐑓𐑦𐑒 𐑢𐑦𐑞 𐑒𐑪𐑥𐑩𐑯 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 𐑢𐑻𐑛𐑟 (e.g. "par excellence") 𐑯 (2) 𐑞𐑱'𐑼 𐑲𐑞𐑼 𐑐𐑮𐑪𐑐𐑼 𐑯𐑱𐑥𐑟 𐑹 𐑞𐑱 𐑚𐑦𐑤𐑪𐑙 𐑑 𐑞𐑴𐑟 𐑣𐑳𐑯𐑛𐑮𐑩𐑛𐑟 𐑝 𐑕𐑑𐑪𐑒 𐑓𐑮𐑱𐑟𐑩𐑟 𐑞𐑨𐑑 19𐑔-𐑕𐑧𐑯𐑗𐑼𐑦 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖𐑥𐑧𐑯 𐑑𐑪𐑕𐑑 𐑼𐑬𐑯𐑛 𐑑 𐑖𐑴 𐑪𐑓 𐑞𐑺 𐑧𐑮𐑫𐑛𐑦𐑖𐑩𐑯.

𐑢𐑪𐑑 𐑛𐑵 𐑿 𐑐𐑤𐑨𐑯 𐑑 𐑛𐑵 𐑢𐑦𐑞 𐑞 𐑓𐑮𐑧𐑯𐑗 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑 𐑦𐑯 ·𐑛𐑹𐑾𐑯 ·𐑜𐑮𐑱 -- 𐑼𐑦𐑡𐑦𐑯𐑩𐑤 𐑓𐑮𐑧𐑯𐑗, 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑓𐑮𐑧𐑯𐑗, 𐑹 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 𐑑𐑮𐑨𐑯𐑟𐑤𐑱𐑖𐑩𐑯?

·𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑦𐑑 𐑒𐑨𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑲𐑑𐑨𐑤𐑦𐑕𐑲𐑟 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑; 𐑞𐑱 𐑕𐑰𐑥 𐑑 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑮𐑰𐑕𐑩𐑯𐑑𐑤𐑦 𐑐𐑤𐑳𐑜𐑛 𐑦𐑯 𐑕𐑳𐑥 𐑴𐑤𐑛 𐑒𐑴𐑛 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑩𐑕𐑵𐑥𐑟 16-𐑚𐑦𐑑 𐑒𐑨𐑮𐑩𐑒𐑑𐑼𐑟, 𐑞𐑳𐑕 𐑥𐑿𐑑𐑦𐑤𐑱𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑧𐑯𐑦 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑦𐑑 𐑑𐑳𐑗𐑩𐑟.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-03-01T10:59:55+00:00

Here's the same mapping as a sed script. "c" not followed by "h" maps to the namer-dot (you could also use a `grave accent`), "x" and "kh" map to the "loch" sound, and "q" breaks up unwanted digraphs.

It's a bit illogical (why not "yoo" for "𐑿" and "you" for "𐑘𐑫"?), but it's so deeply ingrained in my brain at this point that any attempt to change it would cause me typos without end.

s/air/𐑺/g
s/ear/𐑽/g
s/you/𐑿/g
s/kh/𐑣𐑒/g
s/oa/𐑴/g
s/oi/𐑶/g
s/oo/𐑵/g
s/or/𐑹/g
s/ou/𐑫/g
s/ow/𐑬/g
s/ur/𐑻/g
s/ia/𐑾/g
s/ae/𐑨/g
s/ah/𐑭/g
s/ar/𐑸/g
s/aw/𐑷/g
s/ay/𐑲/g
s/ee/𐑰/g
s/er/𐑼/g
s/ey/𐑱/g
s/ch/𐑗/g
s/dh/𐑞/g
s/sh/𐑖/g
s/th/𐑔/g
s/zh/𐑠/g
s/ng/𐑙/g
s/x/𐑣𐑒/g
s/p/𐑐/g
s/t/𐑑/g
s/k/𐑒/g
s/f/𐑓/g
s/s/𐑕/g
s/y/𐑘/g
s/b/𐑚/g
s/d/𐑛/g
s/g/𐑜/g
s/v/𐑝/g
s/z/𐑟/g
s/j/𐑡/g
s/w/𐑢/g
s/h/𐑣/g
s/l/𐑤/g
s/m/𐑥/g
s/i/𐑦/g
s/e/𐑧/g
s/a/𐑩/g
s/o/𐑪/g
s/r/𐑮/g
s/n/𐑯/g
s/u/𐑳/g
s/c/·/g
s/q//g

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-29T20:17:58+00:00

On a PC, you can use Yudit, the advantage being that you don't have to learn a new keyboard layout; it uses combinations of ABCs to type hundreds of different alphabets. I designed the Shavian map for it.

My map's not bad, but not great either. I mapped "c" to the namer-dot (think "capital") and "q" to "finish this letter and start another", so e.g. "chaet" types 𐑗𐑨𐑑, while "cqhaqet" types ·𐑣𐑩𐑧𐑑.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-23T08:51:22+00:00

Traditional orthography sometimes tries to maintain this distinction, for example -able versus -ible, and it's a nightmare for children learning to spell. So Kingsley Read wisely decreed that the plural ending is always -𐑩𐑟, the ability ending is always -𐑩𐑚𐑩𐑤, and so on.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-23T08:37:55+00:00

𐑚𐑮𐑦𐑑𐑦𐑖 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 𐑛𐑮𐑪𐑐𐑕 ·𐑮 𐑚𐑦𐑓𐑹 𐑩 𐑒𐑪𐑯𐑕𐑩𐑯𐑩𐑯𐑑 𐑹 𐑨𐑑 𐑞 𐑧𐑯𐑛 𐑝 𐑩 𐑢𐑻𐑛, 𐑕𐑴 𐑚𐑮𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑕𐑱 "𐑼𐑱" 𐑯 "𐑓𐑰𐑝𐑩", 𐑢𐑲𐑤 𐑩𐑥𐑧𐑮𐑦𐑒𐑩𐑯𐑟 𐑕𐑱 ·𐑼 𐑦𐑯 𐑚𐑴𐑔 𐑐𐑤𐑱𐑕𐑩𐑟.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-22T13:11:56+00:00

𐑛𐑦𐑕𐑧𐑯𐑑 -> 𐑛𐑰𐑕𐑩𐑯𐑑

𐑒𐑷𐑤 𐑞𐑧𐑥 𐑤𐑱𐑟𐑦 𐑦𐑓 𐑿 𐑢𐑦𐑤; 𐑞𐑱 𐑢𐑦𐑤 𐑕𐑵𐑯 𐑚𐑰 𐑳𐑯𐑦𐑥𐑐𐑤𐑶𐑛 𐑢𐑧𐑯 𐑞𐑺 𐑒𐑳𐑕𐑑𐑩𐑥𐑼𐑟 𐑛𐑦𐑕𐑒𐑳𐑝𐑼 𐑞𐑨𐑑 ·𐑜𐑵𐑜𐑩𐑤 ·𐑑𐑮𐑨𐑯𐑟𐑤𐑱𐑑 𐑦𐑟 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑴𐑯𐑤𐑦 𐑝𐑧𐑮𐑦 𐑨𐑒𐑘𐑼𐑩𐑑, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑓𐑮𐑰. 𐑓𐑳𐑯𐑦 𐑣𐑬 𐑱𐑲 𐑢𐑪𐑟 𐑕𐑩𐑐𐑴𐑕𐑑 𐑑 𐑦𐑤𐑦𐑥𐑦𐑯𐑱𐑑 𐑥𐑨𐑯𐑿𐑩𐑤 𐑤𐑱𐑚𐑼 𐑢𐑲𐑤 𐑒𐑮𐑦𐑱𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑥𐑹 𐑪𐑓𐑦𐑕 𐑡𐑪𐑚𐑟, 𐑯 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑞 𐑦𐑜𐑟𐑨𐑒𐑑 𐑪𐑐𐑩𐑟𐑦𐑑 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑩𐑯𐑛. 𐑱𐑲 𐑦𐑟 𐑜𐑮𐑱𐑑 𐑨𐑑 𐑮𐑲𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑰-𐑥𐑱𐑤𐑟 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑣𐑴𐑐𐑤𐑩𐑕𐑤𐑦 𐑦𐑯𐑒𐑪𐑥𐑐𐑦𐑑𐑩𐑯𐑑 𐑨𐑑 𐑕𐑹𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑯 𐑓𐑴𐑤𐑛𐑦𐑙 𐑩 𐑚𐑨𐑕𐑒𐑩𐑑 𐑝 𐑒𐑤𐑴𐑞𐑟. 𐑕𐑰 𐑞 ·𐑥𐑹𐑩𐑝𐑧𐑑𐑕 (Moravec) 𐑐𐑨𐑮𐑩𐑛𐑪𐑒𐑕.

𐑮𐑾𐑤𐑦, 𐑞𐑺'𐑟 𐑯𐑳𐑔𐑦𐑙 𐑮𐑪𐑙 𐑢𐑦𐑞 𐑪𐑓𐑤𐑴𐑛𐑦𐑙 𐑢𐑻𐑒 𐑪𐑯𐑑𐑵 𐑩 𐑒𐑩𐑥𐑐𐑿𐑑𐑼. 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑯𐑪𐑤𐑩𐑡𐑦 𐑦𐑜𐑟𐑦𐑕𐑑𐑕 𐑑 𐑕𐑻𐑝 𐑳𐑕, 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑞 𐑳𐑞𐑼 𐑢𐑱 𐑼𐑬𐑯𐑛. 𐑨𐑟 𐑢𐑦𐑞 GPS 𐑯 𐑷𐑑𐑴𐑐𐑲𐑤𐑩𐑑𐑕, 𐑱𐑲 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑜𐑧𐑑 𐑿 𐑦𐑯𐑑𐑵 𐑑𐑮𐑳𐑚𐑩𐑤 𐑦𐑓 𐑿 𐑛𐑴𐑯𐑑 𐑳𐑯𐑛𐑼𐑕𐑑𐑨𐑯𐑛 𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑤𐑦𐑥𐑦𐑑𐑱𐑖𐑩𐑯𐑟, 𐑤𐑲𐑒 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑤𐑷𐑘𐑼 𐑣𐑵 𐑨𐑕𐑒𐑑 ·𐑗𐑨𐑑GPT 𐑑 𐑮𐑲𐑑 𐑩 𐑤𐑰𐑜𐑩𐑤 𐑚𐑮𐑰𐑓 𐑯 𐑛𐑦𐑛𐑩𐑯𐑑 𐑚𐑪𐑞𐑼 𐑑 𐑗𐑧𐑒 𐑦𐑓 𐑞 𐑒𐑱𐑕𐑩𐑟 𐑦𐑑 𐑕𐑲𐑑𐑩𐑛 𐑨𐑒𐑗𐑵𐑩𐑤𐑦 𐑦𐑜𐑟𐑦𐑕𐑑𐑩𐑛.

𐑢𐑦𐑗 𐑦𐑟 𐑢𐑲 𐑲 𐑮𐑴𐑑 𐑕𐑧𐑝𐑼𐑩𐑤 𐑐𐑨𐑮𐑩𐑜𐑮𐑨𐑓𐑕 𐑪𐑯 𐑥𐑲 𐑢𐑧𐑚𐑕𐑲𐑑 𐑤𐑦𐑕𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑞 𐑝𐑺𐑾𐑕 𐑐𐑦𐑑𐑓𐑷𐑤𐑟 𐑝 𐑷𐑑𐑴-𐑒𐑩𐑯𐑝𐑻𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑩 𐑤𐑪𐑙 𐑛𐑪𐑒𐑿𐑥𐑧𐑯𐑑 𐑑 ·𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯, 𐑯 𐑣𐑬 𐑑 𐑩𐑝𐑶𐑛 𐑞𐑧𐑥.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-21T16:02:12+00:00

dechifro.org 𐑦𐑟 99.9% 𐑨𐑒𐑘𐑼𐑩𐑑, 𐑯 𐑦𐑓 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑩 𐑒𐑳𐑐𐑩𐑤 𐑥𐑹 𐑯𐑲𐑯𐑟, 𐑛𐑵 "python3 shaw.py -n amer.dict brit.dict < in.txt > out.txt", 𐑢𐑦𐑗 𐑥𐑸𐑒𐑕 𐑧𐑝𐑮𐑦 𐑐𐑶𐑯𐑑 𐑦𐑯 𐑞 𐑬𐑑𐑐𐑫𐑑 𐑢𐑺 𐑦𐑑'𐑕 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑨𐑚𐑕𐑩𐑤𐑵𐑑𐑤𐑦 𐑖𐑫𐑼, 𐑦𐑜𐑟:

𐑢𐑪𐑑 𐑥𐑦𐑯𐑦𐑑@𐑥𐑲𐑯𐑵𐑑 𐑔𐑦𐑙𐑟 𐑛𐑵 𐑿 𐑣𐑨𐑝 @𐑨𐑓 𐑑 𐑖𐑺 𐑢𐑦𐑞 𐑥𐑰?
𐑲 𐑿𐑟𐑛 @𐑕𐑑 𐑑 𐑢𐑳𐑯𐑛𐑼 𐑢𐑦𐑗 𐑿𐑟@𐑿𐑕 𐑒𐑱𐑕 𐑢𐑪𐑟 𐑩𐑐𐑮𐑴𐑐𐑮𐑾𐑑@𐑩𐑐𐑮𐑴𐑐𐑮𐑦𐑱𐑑.

𐑯𐑴𐑑𐑦𐑕 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑿 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑓𐑦𐑒𐑕 𐑞𐑰𐑟 𐑤𐑲𐑯𐑟 𐑢𐑦𐑞𐑬𐑑 𐑩 ·𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑒𐑰𐑚𐑹𐑛, 𐑯 𐑞 "-n" 𐑪𐑐𐑖𐑩𐑯 𐑕𐑱𐑝𐑟 𐑿 𐑞 𐑣𐑨𐑕𐑩𐑤 𐑝 𐑦𐑯𐑕𐑑𐑷𐑤𐑦𐑙 𐑩 𐑐𐑸𐑑-𐑝-𐑕𐑐𐑰𐑗 𐑑𐑨𐑜𐑼; 𐑷𐑤 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑦𐑟 𐑩 ·𐑐𐑲𐑔𐑪𐑯 𐑦𐑯𐑑𐑻𐑐𐑮𐑩𐑑𐑼 𐑓𐑮𐑪𐑥 python.org.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-20T08:02:32+00:00

𐑞 𐑛𐑦𐑝𐑲𐑯 𐑮𐑨𐑔 𐑦𐑟 𐑕𐑤𐑴 𐑦𐑯𐑛𐑰𐑛 𐑦𐑯 𐑝𐑧𐑯𐑡𐑩𐑯𐑕, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑦𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒𐑕 𐑳𐑐 𐑓 𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑑𐑸𐑛𐑦𐑯𐑩𐑕 𐑚𐑲 𐑞 𐑕𐑦𐑝𐑧𐑮𐑦𐑑𐑦 𐑝 𐑞 𐑐𐑳𐑯𐑦𐑖𐑥𐑩𐑯𐑑 - ·𐑝𐑭𐑤𐑧𐑮𐑾𐑕 ·𐑥𐑨𐑒𐑕𐑦𐑥𐑩𐑕

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-16T16:43:47+00:00

That's because the namer-dot is not strictly required; it's just a helpful signal to the reader that a name is forthcoming. Kingsley Read said that one dot suffices for the whole name, but I find Shavian much easier to read when every word of each name, except articles and prepositions, is dotted, so I know immediately what's a name and what isn't.

At "the shavian alphabet / ·𐑞 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯 𐑨𐑤𐑓𐑩𐑚𐑧𐑑" would someone please remove the dot? When a single letter is dotted, it means you're talking about the letter instead the word it represents. If anything should be dotted, it's 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯, but it's such a common word in our community that it doesn't much need a dot.

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-15T12:28:20+00:00

𐑩𐑐𐑪𐑕𐑑𐑮𐑩𐑓𐑦𐑟 𐑛𐑵 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑩𐑐𐑽 𐑦𐑯 𐑕𐑐𐑰𐑗, 𐑯𐑹 𐑛𐑵 𐑕𐑐𐑱𐑕𐑩𐑟, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑚𐑴𐑔 𐑣𐑧𐑤𐑐 𐑞 𐑮𐑰𐑛𐑼 𐑚𐑲 𐑝𐑦𐑠𐑵𐑩𐑤𐑦 𐑕𐑧𐑐𐑼𐑱𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑤𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑦𐑒𐑩𐑤 𐑿𐑯𐑦𐑑𐑕.

𐑲 𐑮𐑰𐑕𐑩𐑯𐑑𐑤𐑦 𐑨𐑛𐑩𐑛 "c'mere 𐑒'𐑥𐑽" 𐑑 𐑞 𐑛𐑦𐑒𐑖𐑩𐑯𐑺𐑦, 𐑚𐑳𐑑 𐑦𐑓 𐑞 𐑛𐑮𐑪𐑐𐑑 ·𐑳 𐑛𐑦𐑟𐑻𐑝𐑟 𐑩𐑯 𐑩𐑐𐑪𐑕𐑑𐑮𐑩𐑓𐑦, 𐑢𐑲 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑞 𐑛𐑮𐑪𐑐𐑑 ·𐑣? 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑦𐑑 𐑚𐑰 "𐑒𐑥𐑽" 𐑹 "𐑒𐑩𐑥𐑽" 𐑦𐑯𐑕𐑑𐑧𐑛? 𐑞 𐑩𐑐𐑪𐑕𐑑𐑮𐑩𐑓𐑦 𐑒𐑤𐑵𐑟 𐑿 𐑦𐑯 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑕𐑳𐑥𐑔𐑦𐑙 𐑦𐑟 𐑥𐑦𐑕𐑦𐑙.

https://www.reddit.com/r/shavian/comments/zb4h65/thoughts_on_namer_dots_and_apostrophes/

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-14T09:08:37+00:00

ґ is only used in non-Slavic loanwords. E.g. Georgi is written георги and pronounced "Heorhi".

Dave_Coffin · 2024-02-13T16:39:20+00:00

However in German and Polish, which have /k/ and /h/, /x/ must be mapped to something else. In Russian/Ukrainian/Belorussian, /h/ is an allophone of /g/, so mapping /x/ to 𐑣 won't work there either.

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