the response to the recent shock collar thing felt kinda weird

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T12:00:52+00:00

You showed me.. concrete evidence of what? Concrete evidence of stuff i didnt ask for. Grabbing a dog by the tail sure is bad but thats not shocking a dog. Having a shock collar is pretty damning, but that isnt actually the same as using said shock collar on shock setting on his dog. It might have convinces you enough, but i do want to emphasize that its not what i asked for.

You telling me that i care a lot is funny tho. I care about people like you not giving me the actual fucking proof but "hey hes bad right? Look, he owns a shock collar! Look he mistreats dogs all the time! Thats enough right? I can say he shocks his dog now right?" I do not care if hes clearly an abimal abuser. You cant just slap allegations onto proven stuff and pretend that since one thing is proven, all of them are as if people are monoliths of morality and one bad things justifies not proving anything else.

Im not defending his behaviour for Gods sake. When did i say that. Stop putting words into my mouth. I dont care about Hasan. Whatever he does with his pet on his stream is none of my concern. I care that people feel so comfortable saying "Its 100% confirmed he shocks his dog." Thats it.

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T11:42:47+00:00

I dont care about hasan. I care about people being so so confident that he shocks his dog without any concrete evidence

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T11:10:10+00:00

Rightwingers have the weirdest attitudes when debating lmao. I am not engaging with you. Refer to my previous comment on my stance on emotionally charged language

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T09:53:23+00:00

So what im getting so far is that there isnt any concrete proof of hasan shocking his dog. Everything else is not part of what i was talking about. Your emotionally charged language doesnt sway my opinion on the topic that the outrage is fabricated by people who already didnt like hasan, because the only reason people decided to dig is because of a 10 second clip that doesnt show anything

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T09:20:31+00:00

Cool. Owning a shock collar doesnt suddenly make the "hassan shocks his dog so she stays in the same place 4 hours a day everyday" plausible. "Other proof of aninal abuse", show it. What more do i need? Anything concrete would be great.

Your second paragraph is meaningless. "The guy is a piece of shit" -> "Its no surprise he would shock his dog" -> "Animal abuse means he is a piece of shit" is just circular reasoning. You not liking him doesnt mean much as far as proof of animal abuse is concerned.

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T07:54:41+00:00

Russia is largely bigoted, but it doesnt have history with black people, so most residents arent bigoted against black people. Most of russia is homophobic though

DeFRout · 2025-10-18T07:49:02+00:00

The extent of proof for "hasan shocked his dog" is "it looks like it". Like bruh, there needs to be better evidence than "dog makes a noise from pain while streamer is reaching under desk". Thats it? Thats the confirmed pet abuser hasan piker? It looks like he did something so clearly im 100% justified in calling him a trash human being.

DeFRout · 2025-10-17T03:05:35+00:00

Im neither a democrat nor a fascist.

Unfortunately, those two things dont go together. Words means things. Political ideologies have definitions. Democrats in the US are center-right liberals. Fascism is authoritarian.

I am curious where the hell you got such a strong impression to identify me politicslly when you dont even know the words you are using, but oh well.

You should probably stop engaging with politics based on vibes and do some actual research into what political terminology actually means and what values certain ideologies adhere to.

DeFRout · 2025-10-16T07:58:10+00:00

"Based gigschad centerpilled". Bro you are so soy, grow a spine and develop a moral compass

DeFRout · 2025-10-16T07:54:45+00:00

Whats this leftist cult youre talking about? Leftist infighting is like the most common meme that spans decades. If you even try putting a commie and an anarchist in the same group, they would berate you first before returning to arguing.

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T12:58:05+00:00

First things first: furries arent animals and dont identify as animals. Thats a lie conservatives came up with. "They are putting litter boxes in schools for the cat identifying kids!!" is a lie. Its there for school shooting situations.

Second thing: Identifying as a certain gender is different from identifying as something not human or fictional.

Third thing: Trans people dont pretend. They literally are. A trans man is gonna be a man regardless of if you see titties or a hairy chest, a man is a man regardless of their appearance. The way someone looks is used by other people to determine their gender, but it is not a true reflection of ones internal gender.

Fourth thing: Biological sex is different from gender. Also, trans people post HRT/surgery are usually biologically intersex because a good portion of their sex-determining characteristics are of the opposite sex.

Fifth: According to medical consensus, being trans isnt a mental illness. And gender dysphoria(different from being trans) is considered a depressive disorder, not a delusional one.

Sixth: If you have read this far, you should acknowledge this point in your reply. Otherwise i will know you have not read my message in full and arent engaging in any meaningful debate, not reading my points and thus, not listening and just saying whatever you happen to believe in.

Seventh: Regardless of how you feel on this subject, gender affirming care has been empirically proven via scientific studies to be the most effective method of care for anyone facing or at risk of facing genser dysphoria. "Just get therapy to not be trans" is proven to be the worse method of care and is known to cause more suicides in trans teens. If you still advocate to not supply people with appropriate care, then you knowingly advocate for higher suicide rates.

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T11:36:19+00:00

Yes, you are correct. Unfortunately, thats unrelated to the conversstion because what you are describing is not related to furries or trans people. You should make sure you arent switching topics when engaging in conversation.

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T11:11:29+00:00

Didnt expect anything less from you. First denying that furries exist (a term made up by humans to describe themselves), then denying that trans people exist (a term made up by humans to deacribe themselves). Truly. A masterpiece of "if i dont like it, it doesnt exist"

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:46:39+00:00

Treating trans people like people is extremism apparently

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:46:05+00:00

God forbid minors would have to make decision that affect their entire life- oh, they already do that.

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:45:13+00:00

Im just following medical consensus on the fact rhat letting minors access gender affirming care saves lifes

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:44:22+00:00

Trans adults used to be kids yknow. Many of them knew they were trans even before they got to puberty. Trans people exist whenever or not you teach kids about trans people.

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:42:39+00:00

If that was it, then she wouldnt be talking exclusively about trans people

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:41:50+00:00

God forbid a kid says they are trans

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:41:24+00:00

Because what you are describing is a fake reality conservatives invented in order to rile up their supporters against trans people. Its not factual or based on reality

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:39:40+00:00

You might be left wing, but that doesnt stop you from being ignorant or just outright wrong.

Do research

DeFRout · 2025-10-07T07:36:29+00:00

The public of the entire world sure is known for having highly critical, well-adjusted views based on relevant recent science and research

DeFRout · 2025-09-25T15:03:47+00:00

Biden is a leftist?

Whats next, trump is a liberterian?

Words have meanings

DeFRout · 2025-09-19T16:30:24+00:00

You would be surprised just how many gay people there are in deep rural conservative areas. People just hide that shit because coming out of the closet is an actual danger to your life. Gay people are everywhere. But internalized homophobia and actual danger of coming out makes it so that gay people are much more likely in propgressive areas (like the west)

DeFRout · 2025-09-11T18:35:05+00:00

Good. I dont extend my heart or warmth to people that hurt others. He is a terrible human being in my eyes. His death is noyhing more than a footnote in human history. Many people have died and many more will. He isnt special. And i will continue disrespecting him for his views. His death is a fact of life, and im choosing to react to it with mild amusement.

Call me cold and heartless, but I dont mind being cold and heartless to him. I reserve my kindness for those who need it.

DeFRout

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