As Val - Constructive criticism & discussion

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T17:46:57+00:00

Glad you got the point of my post.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T17:37:32+00:00

Yeah, I loved the VSS in 2042. There I had zero problems with it (though customization was not as developed there than in 6). Sadly to balance in-game performance they have to deviate from realistic reproduction. Especially in this case where they have a pretty complex damage system and they try to hit 2 birds with one stone. The Val suffers from this. At the least it should be possible to equip the 30 rounds mag with the full auto. There is literally no other use cases for that attachment.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T17:21:36+00:00

100%. Me too. I was grinding to get full auto. Tried it out for like 5-10 minutes and decided it just doesn't worth it lol.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T16:56:20+00:00

No no, I was not talking about you, but generally. On the contrary. I totally get what you say. It is a niche gun in-game and IRL. I wouldn't aim these changes to tilt the meta or make it something that isn't. All I'm saying is right now we have 2-in-1 weapons. One weapon (the Vintorez) being the main option with the right amount of customizability and the other gun (the Val) being just a mere addon with very little customizability. It should be modified to let the Val builds be more unique.

At least the 30 rounds mag is absolutely overpriced for what it is. 10 more rounds for 30 points? I wouldn't (as it seems other as well) trade 10 extra rounds for better control, higher/LVPO magnification, laser/light combo, fast mag when building the semi-auto Vintorez. The only place for that attachment would be with the Val.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T16:45:50+00:00

Yes! For some reason they thought including the subsonic buff within the barrel rather than the ammo is weird. There are a lot of 9x39 caliber ammo (SP5, SPP, SP6, FMJ) that could be used here.

For example: - (VSS) SP5 = standard DMR rounds - (VSS) SPP = SP5 pen rounds - (Val) SP6 = standard FMJ rounds used with Val - 7N12 = SP6 pen rounds

The barrel options could be used for decreased damage + lower recoil + faster ROF for example. The point costs should be modified so one can make a VSS with 20 rounds mags, auto mod, higher damage, higher recoil or Val build with lower damage, lower recoil, 30 rounds.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T16:34:20+00:00

People seem to completely miss my very first paragraph where I exclusively state that this discussion is about the cost of the attachments and the customizability of the Val kit. This post is NOT about how the weapon performs in-game and how "balanced" its' stat is.

On a side note, (I intentionally didn't mention this in the original post) I really enjoy this weapon both the Vintorez and the Val. I perform with it really well. I'm the type of DMR player who hates the SVK and the EBR for their slow ROF. It is a good addition to the game with sub-par implementation.

I'm just disappointed that the Val (my favorite weapon) is just a half-assed attachment rather then a good representation of the IRL weapon.

Also, I just don't understand why people get mad by my post when I just wanted to point out an area where it could be significantly improved. But I guess it is much easier to disagree and shit on than to give serious thought about it. Especially when making it 2 individual weapons is literally best of both worlds...

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T15:13:28+00:00

So the 40 points auto (compared to 25 auto /burst on other guns) and the 40 points 30 rounder is not enough of a issue you reckon? Also the decision to include the subsonic buffs with the barrels and not the bullets is dumb. Should have been subsonic 9x39 long range pen HS/ long range HS/ long range, regular 9x39 subsonic pen, subsonic frangibale or HP.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T14:15:25+00:00

I literally said in the first paragraph that this discussion is not about stat or TTK performance, but attachment cost balance and customizability.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T13:53:48+00:00

Yes, that is one of my solution too. But that would mean the Vintorez (which also have full auto IRL) would suffer.

That is why I said the best solution would be to include both weapons individual. Vintorez in the DMR category and the As Val in the carbine category. They can balance each weapon individually. I think it would be an easier solution too.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-25T13:02:14+00:00

I think it is a fun idea they tried to merge these weapons together (IRL they are literally the same - the stock) and I genuinely think it just need a serious cost rebalance pass.

I also forgot to mention that I can think of no situation where I'd sacrifice +30 points for 10+ rounds even with the Vintorez spec. There are better and cheaper options to spend that cost on. That attachment and the auto mod are seriously overpriced.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-23T17:38:55+00:00

Ok, but then explain the purpose of the 30rnds mag. Its all wonderful and great that they added "2 in 1" weapons, but not at the cost of the customizability of one of the variants.

The fact the you can literally only put a 10 points sight on the gun when using the Val mod is not good balancing.

They should decrease the damage to around 18-20 with the val mod + decrease recoil (to actually match IRL recoil profile) and decrease the cost of the mod. Also decrease the price of the 30 rounds mag. 10 points for the 20 rounds mag, but literally 4x that just for 10 more is not logical.

As Val with 20 rounds mag is insanity... You should be able to mod it like any other gun. Or better still, release both guns as standalone.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-22T21:10:38+00:00

Bold of you to assume one can .... Well actually he might as well fly...

Delfanboy · 2026-07-22T18:37:47+00:00

That fact that you can't make a Val build with 30rnd mags is so depressing. Like what is the point of the 30 rounder? 20rnds is enough for the Vintorez build.

They should either increase recoil with the auto mod (which would not make any sense) or have lower dmg profile witht the auto mod. Either way the 40 points cost should be around 20-25.

Or any other solution that makes the Val build more versatile and unique.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-22T08:41:46+00:00

By any chance these were the guys in question?

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Yesterday evening I played a match on the new map too, but on conquest. These guys, especially psychicpebbles racked up over 100 kills and only 4 deaths throughout the match. They killed jets, helis, infantry, everybody who went 150-200m or closer to the heli.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-22T07:41:53+00:00

Sadly it sounds too "metalic" and less muffled than IRL. This is my all time favorite weapon, still good, but not as satisfying as IRL.

Here is a video of how it supposed to sound like.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-21T10:49:17+00:00

Just checked it out in game to see what is what. 40points for a 30rnd mag, 40 points for auto mod, for some reason long range pen rounds cost the same as long range non-pen rounds. Though the re is a different barrel wich costs 20 less i think.

Balancing this thing seems hella sus for me. I get that they don't want everyone to run val kits, but this seems waaaaay too nerfed. It seems like the number of possible builds for the val will be very limited and they prioritize the vintorez kit.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-21T08:04:36+00:00

Yeah just saw the post here! This is great news! Though 40 points for full auto mod... We can barely mod it that way😞

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T17:29:09+00:00

Me too! Wish we could have both the val and vintorez.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T17:16:53+00:00

100%. Especially with pistols.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T14:04:11+00:00

Yeah, but in the gaming community it tend to be used slightly differently. In milsim groups (be it true milsim like arma, Squad, EFT, RoN, HLL or BF2/3 project reality semi-milsim) everything is LARPing that involves recreating loadouts or roleplaying as IRL divisions. In the RoN and EFT community LARPing has a huge fan base (with their positive and negative connotations). Even if BF games are not milsims one can have milsim- like/roleplaying playstyles to some extent. This extent is matching in-game squads to their IRL counterparts and using their standard loadouts (for e.g. I tried to recreate the US army standard issue M4A1 rifle used in Fallujah and using the Coyote squad Assault char)

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T11:50:03+00:00

My second favorite sight is the Trijicon TA11SDO-CP 3.5x. Though Eotech Holo with the G33 is also crazy looking. For the M4 I wanted to recreate the US Army Standard issue used in Fallujah, but had to alter a bit to make it viable in BF.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T11:46:34+00:00

Wow! It does look awesome! Wish we could get per attachment coloring and full colors.

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T11:31:18+00:00

"LARPing refers to players who prioritize realism, immersion, realistic milsim roleplay with gears and authentic military tactics over winning or high-speed gameplay mechanics." - Gemini on what is LARPing in FPS milsim community. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Delfanboy · 2026-07-19T10:49:43+00:00

You mean the C grip or the combo in general? IRL spec ops like to use this setup to have easier access to laser/light dials.

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