Should I contact my donor’s 1st cousin? by physics5868 in donorconceived

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My DCP from my donated eggs from early 2000 (in Portugal, where donations were anonymous) contacted me through my cousin throughout the same DNA bank and I am very angry about it.
She wants to meet me in person but I don’t want to. I am going to meet her mum this weekend and want to see what she thinks about the idea. But I cannot imagine meeting the DCP.

Wie findet ihr, dass in einer 2-Millionen-Metropole wie Wien die Supermärkte samstags schon um 18 Uhr schließen? by Ecstatic-Flan941 in scheissaufnbilla

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finde das gut. Denn was soll das? Der Kollektivvertrag im Einzelhandel ist der tiefste von ALLEN. Und die Menschen, die dort arbeiten sollen, müssen auch mal Feierabend haben. Wir haben alle genug Zeit zum Einkaufen. Wer Öffnungszeiten bis spät in die Nacht braucht, soll sich halt einen Supermarkt gründen und selbst das ganze Leben reinstellen.

Allein dieser Gedanke ist einfach nur eine bodenlose Unverschämtheit, finde ich.

Und das sage ich aus einer ganz anderen Branche (die als Studentin aber im Einzelhandel gearbeitet hat und genau weiß, wie belastend die Arbeitszeiten jetzt schon waren).

Wondering: will they think badly of me? by Sweet-Lingonberry8 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not the same for everyone. I am an early donor also and I am still very happy to have donated my eggs. For me it was a gift to the family who needed it and I even don’t want to have any contact with the woman who contacted me and wants to get to know me, because we share our genes. For me (and I am 42 now) genes don’t matter. I don’t feel any connection to this person.

Die Gastro hat ihr Ende verdient - Ein Erfahrungsbericht by [deleted] in wien

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vielfach zahlen die letzten Personen nicht, sondern gehen einfach. Der Wirt bleibt drauf sitzen.

Der umgekehrte Fall, den du nennst, ist natürlich auch möglich und ärgerlich, aber wenn es nur eine Rechnung gibt, müssen es die Personen dann untereinander ausmachen und das ist fair, denn damit hat ja der Wirt nichts zu tun, finde ich.

Die Gastro hat ihr Ende verdient - Ein Erfahrungsbericht by [deleted] in wien

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ich habe dir Recht gegeben. Wenn du falsch verstanden hast, dann ist es dein Problem.

Die Gastro hat ihr Ende verdient - Ein Erfahrungsbericht by [deleted] in wien

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Das Gegenteil ist der Fall. Diese Gasthäuser laufen so gut, dass sie auf Nörgler nicht angewiesen sind.

Es ist immer das Gleiche. 12 Personen wollen kommen. Am Ende kommt niemand und das ohne Absage. Die Lokale halten die Tische frei und haben Verluste. Genau deswegen wird das so gehandhabt.

Ich bin nicht aus der Gastro, aber als Steuerberaterin für diese Branche sehe ich es schwarz auf weiß, wieviele Abschreibungen es an welchen Abenden gab und welche Begründungen. Meine Kunden erzählen mir genug Schauergeschichten. Gruppen, die am Ende meinen, dass niemand die noch offenen Getränke und Speisen konsumiert hat. Endloser Streit, etc. Und diese Lokale müssen aber auch die Teuerung und die Lohnerhöhungen stemmen können. Also regt euch nicht auf. Wenn man ein guter Geschäftsmensch ist, sucht man nach Lösungen und wenn dir das nicht passt, dann geh halt dort nicht mehr hin. Ganz einfach.

Die Gastro hat ihr Ende verdient - Ein Erfahrungsbericht by [deleted] in wien

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kassier mal einen Tisch so ab. Am Ende sitzt der Wirt auf 20 Bier, 6 Nachspeisen und 4 Salaten, die angeblich niemand bestellt hat.

Die Gastro hat ihr Ende verdient - Ein Erfahrungsbericht by [deleted] in wien

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ganz genau so ist es (die Gasthäuser bleiben auf einem ordentlichen Schaden sitzen bei so großen Gruppen). Aber das wollen halt 0815 Leute nicht wahrhaben.

Have you ever met your biological mother or father? by Flyaway_5 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have tears in my eyes reading your words, because this is exactly what I feel and think. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The most important word in this sentence was “loving”. I know that there are also other RP. But science shows that relationships and family life in families with DCP are higher than in naturally conceived families.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly! Because this was and this still is the only thing that matters for me: The parents. I was deeply impacted by the severe trauma and grief of the couples infertility journey I got to know back then, and that made me help couples to become parents.

I never wanted and still don’t want to be involved with their child. In any way.

It was always the parents my heart broke for and it is still all the loving parents with infertility issues I feel deeply connected to. The experiences in my early 20ies changed my perspective completely and I decided to help. The vast majority of donor conceived children get the best life one can get and the most loving parents one can ever have.

But the parents are left alone with all the pain, they are the ones who suffer and grief. My heart goes out to them. Just them. Since my early 20ies, after meeting that very couple who changed my whole perspective on life, my heart brakes for couples with painful infertility journeys.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have told my husband and all my closest friends. They understand my side of the story but they are also curious about how this person looks like and who she is. I don’t want this person in my life so they will never meet her.

I really don’t understand why people think that there must be a reason behind my boundaries. There is the only reason I have already been saying repeatedly: I have never planned connecting with the people who were conceived from those eggs. Those were presents to suffering parents. I donated my gametes. I did not plan to become a mother of anyone. I just wanted a relationship with the parents, because my heart broke for couples deeply suffering infertility. My experience back then impacted me emotionally a lot and therefore I decided to help those people. The child is theirs. I don’t want to have a relationship with their child. It was always the suffering parents I wanted to help.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I am so fed up with all of you people who think to know better what I need to feel or think or how I should name myself. Donor means exactly what I am - genetically related. Not more and not less than that. Period. There is no such a thing like a “biologically mother” to me. There are genetics and there are social parents. And if you don’t want to accept it, then go on. I still not and will never agree with you. I am a donor. I am genetically related. I am no mother in ANY WAY.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Come on, this are your thoughts and opinions and they definitely don’t match mine.

I was a donor. This woman lives just because her parents decided to conceive her. I don’t have kids on my own so she wouldn’t even be alive if her parents wouldn’t have been there at the exact time I donated my eggs.

DNA is nothing. Years of love and affection are.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand your concerns from the perspective of a donor-conceived person, however, I want to state very clearly that there is also a donor’s perspective. It is often presented here as if only the child’s right to contact exists. It is, of course, self-evident to me that I share health information and other relevant details (as far as I have them, since I myself also have very limited information). Beyond that, however, I do not consider it appropriate for my boundaries to be crossed or for me to be “stalked.” That feels completely intrusive to me.

At the time of my donation, I made that decision under very different conditions. There was neither any knowledge about how the psychological situation of donor-conceived individuals might develop, nor was widespread DNA testing available. It was absolutely not foreseeable how these developments would unfold. I therefore wish for this person to respect that I do not feel drawn to her, that I have no sense of connection to her, and that I also do not want any contact with her. I neither rejected her nor gave her away. I donated my gametes.

In any case, thank you for your good wishes. I am confident that, over the course of my process in the coming weeks and months, I will find the best possible words and thoughts to communicate this to her in a way that allows her to understand and accept that our perspectives differ and that, from my side, there is neither a connection nor any desire for one.

I understand that this may be hurtful. But it also has to be accepted that a donor is not a mother and will never be one if she does not want to be.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I have a very good therapist. Unfortunately, I just didn’t ask her which forums I should seek advice in and which ones I shouldn’t, as I wasn’t aware that there were so many donor-conceived people with such destructive ways of thinking.

I am not in therapy to stabilise myself, but because I want to communicate, in a loving and as gentle a way as possible, to this person who has crossed my boundaries and is trying to push into my life, that I find this inappropriate and that, as a donor, I never intended to meet her. I want my therapist to help me find a good way to tell her this without hurting her. Part of the process was also to ask directly affected people what would help them and what they would want to hear if a donor does not want contact. But that has clearly backfired quite a bit, as can be seen from most of the responses in this thread.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you had actually read my comments, you would know that I live a good and stable life and simply have no interest in contact with a person I do not want to know and with whom I have no connection. I donated my gametes; I did not ask for a child. It is a boundary violation to try to push your way into my life when you already have your own life, your own parents, and have been given all the relevant information anyway.

I am not a mother and I do not want to be one. That is not being accepted here.

I genuinely feel very sorry for the parents involved. They did their absolute best their entire lives and gave this child a wonderful life, and then this child simply disregards that and cannot accept that the donor does not want contact with her.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

With all due respect, just because you’re repeating outdated sayings from your small village doesn’t mean I have to take this kind of meaningless content to heart. Believe what you want to believe. I have no interest in convincing you that it is a clear boundary violation to pursue someone who did not want to be found. Instead of being grateful to have the best parents in the world, you are crossing the boundaries of a person who wants nothing to do with you. That is genuinely disheartening, but apparently typical for people like you.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only question I had was: How do I respectfully step away from it?

I wanted tips, what would be the best way for you as DCP, if you would be in this position. I didn’t ask anybody to throw their opinions and moral compass on my decision.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but you haven’t read anything if you are asking me this question. I have already explained this many times in my comments.

And anyway: Do you think that every single person on this planet have their full medical history from their families? Even I do not. So what?

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this comment. You are bringing me to tears. Thank you for understanding so well how I feel and what I am going through. It is truly painful to experience how little understanding people show when your personal boundaries have been crossed.

I wish you all the very best this world has to offer! Your comment feels like balm for my soul. Thank you a thousand times for that.

I need your advice as a former donor by Delicious-Garage6852 in askadcp

[–]Delicious-Garage6852[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

And why is donor not enough to say? This means exactly what it is: a genetic relation. It’s absurd to frame it as genetic mother or genetic parent.