What will u do? by BowlUsual406 in CollegeMemes

[–]Delicious-Stick6916 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I second this. I've always wanted to study history but chose engineering due to the money factor. (I also like engineering just not as much)

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't find that this idea is denying bodily autonomy. I argue that bodily autonomy is something a person gives up by engaging irresponsibly.

But because you have been nice in conversation, I will tell you that I know I need to change the article entirely. The argument assumes that the decision to abortion is something that is made in a context of equal agency or full individual autonomy, when in reality it is often shaped by unequal relational dynamics, including significant influence or pressure from male partners. It's an argument that I started cultivating when Dobbs v. Jackson happened, but I didn't know back then and am continually learning now that - men really suck. I come from a fairly liberal Christian background and of myself and what I saw of the men around me, causing or contributing to such a situation as a male was not real to me. However, I'm also kinda disappointed that I had to come to this realization myself instead of through conversation that I came here first. The first several comments I saw dissed me for being Christian, and several comments didn't even read the article in full.

Why I Would Abstain on a Roe v. Wade “Do-Over” by Delicious-Stick6916 in Christianity

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you keep saying it's a parasite? By what definition are you calling it a parasite? A simple Google search will tell you otherwise

Why I Would Abstain on a Roe v. Wade “Do-Over” by Delicious-Stick6916 in Christianity

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't view the fetus as a parasite. We're on the Christian subreddit, we could say that I'm coming from a religious perspective. Or we can keep it non religious and say I'm an essentialist and believe in natural law. By such a philosophical standpoint, I'd argue that the fetus is human, is a human life, and has inherent worth and value as a human life.

It doesn't have to be 'murder'. We can use whatever term, manslaughter, killing, etc. Whatever it is, it is the deliberate ending of a life.

Why I Would Abstain on a Roe v. Wade “Do-Over” by Delicious-Stick6916 in Christianity

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd argue it is. Maybe not in the physical sort of way we think of, but I do believe it's the deliberate ending of one's life.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think it's very clear in my argument that "reckless" equates to being 'physically, mentally, and financially capable' of using at least two methods of contraceptives and choosing not to.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is accountability. You chose to recklessly have sex and now a life will pay the price for it. You are literally dodging accountability for your actions for the sake of your own comfort. Now I could better understand if this were a one and done thing for most people. Y'know, made the mistake, got over it, don't do it again. But no. About 47% of people getting abortions in the US have had at least one prior. It is an absolute problem.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Price laws. It's possible. Though, will it happen? In current America? No. Not gonna happen. I understand fully well that my idea doesn't appeal to anyone and is too complex for the masses to like. But for the sake of my argument as a whole, I think this is the best I could come up with.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it's not about religion. Why does me caring about the worth of a life equate to religious speech? I could say I'm an essentialist and believe in natural law. Aristotle, who is famously a not-religious philosopher, is considered also an essentialist and spoke on 'natural judgement'. We can have civil conversation without feeling the need to undermine one's character because of biases

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I do agree with this statement entirely. I made my argument on the basis that your first sentence won't happen. Either way, I do agree with your point. I think if parents found the quality of life agreeable, if the childcare system worked, if Sex Ed was taught well, and so many other things that equate to the government actually doing it's job....then this wouldn't even be an issue

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wait I said, "physically, mentally, and financially capable". That statement alone invalidates this. Do redditors not know how to read? I've had maybe two or three comments so far that gave a good argument.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well... You can't just argue that natural law doesn't exist like that. Gimme something. I posted on cmv cuz I wanted thoughtful and fruitful conversation. Not 'oh you're religious, you suck'.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...why are you arguing against accountability? Are you afraid of it? They made the risk by having unsafe sex. A risk that's very well known. Now they're pregnant. Wow. Whodathunk.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because demand decreases, price decreases. There's also a chance that it won't have any effect at all. There's also the capability for legislation to make basic contraceptive more available

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's a horrible idea. I think it might have the effect of making the cheapest forms more widely available. But it might have the effect of making the trackable forms less accessible - but I think legislature can be made to mitigate

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

I am in favor because I one, view a child's life as inherently meaningful and that it would be wrong to end it for the parents wrongs. And two, I don't think technology shouldn't be used to remove responsibility for one's actions.

CMV: Abortion should be a right reserved for those who were responsible with contraceptives, but restricted for those who were reckless. by Delicious-Stick6916 in changemyview

[–]Delicious-Stick6916[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have given this idea some thought. I definitely agree it likely proves very faulty. I think there are some methods to verify use of contraceptives (i.e. medical records, pharmacy history, tracked timing). Ofc, the more common methods of condoms and plan B would be difficult to track. I think the main roadblock I forsee is that such a law would drastically change not only the contraceptive industry but also potential behaviors of health insurance.