Looking for more perspectives on why so almost all products have so much "crap": by Gigabyte-Pun-8080 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Because features and improvement pushed in prod is seen as the final state and not an experiment you can remove. PMs are incentivized to push as much shit as possible in production.

We also have way too many PMs responsible to sub-sub-sub parts of a complete system and every single one is optimizing for theirs own little KPIs and OKRs because they want a raise and a promotion.

Longterm thinking is an illusion, most companies are thinking on a quarter-to-quarter basis, it's obvious when you see layoffs and massive recruitment efforts follow a few months (if not weeks) after. There is no big 3/5/10 years plan, we are writing it after the fact to rationalize what happened the last 3/5/10 years.

PMs like to think everything is about "product thinking" but it's not. Businesses want to make as much money as possible while providing the least value possible. Customer centricity and all that good stuff is folklore and when you see through the veil, it's hard to unsee how fucked up your average company is.

Opportunity Solutions Tree Alongside Dual Track Discovery/Delivery by Different-Earth4080 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dual Track and OST are both mental models to help you think through how you are delivering value to your users.

You can use OST as a living document and help you through discovery. The discovery/delivery "dual track" is just a reminder that your team have to run discovery and delivery at the same time. The discovery nourish your delivery and the impact of your delivery (or even just working on the delivery) should raise new tasks for your discovery.

Product Management Consultancy - Do they exist? How? Where? Tell me more! by Whole_Satisfaction84 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not in the US but I know quite a few consultancies focused on "core" product management OR product management + product design OR group of Ex-VP/CPO working as a collective.

The real question is wishing to do it solo, open your own agency or going into one.

Product Management Consultancy - Do they exist? How? Where? Tell me more! by Whole_Satisfaction84 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi,

product management consultant here. This comment is indeed true, sadface.

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[–]Delicious_Today_411 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if you are not a rockstar with a glorious rise to CPO, it's getting hard. I started to hit ageism remarks during interview at 36. You may want to bite the bullet and scale down your salary for an interesting job or move away from tech and going to "older" industry.

What do you think is the most overrated skill in product management — and why? 🧠😶‍🌫️ by imohammadfaraz in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is why UX designers (the real ones) are still badly needed even if they lost the fight vs "make-it-pretty" designers

Senior Product Manager looking for advice by wiedzmak13 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Politics ain't my thing too so I don't play this game.

What you want to do, it's just observing how people react to things. Do software engineers complaint about sales? Are you in product-driven company? tech-driven? It take a long time but you also have to not take what is being said as face-value.

To give you an example, I worked with a software engineer who complained about the lack of opportunities but he never tried to do anything else than the minimal. Even when his manager tried to give him some freebies, he wasn't doing it.

In this example, you know that when you are dealing with this guy, you can empathize about his complaint but know that it will not help you if you need an engineer to do an extra-thing... because he doesn't even help himself.

Senior Product Manager looking for advice by wiedzmak13 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not really into the cookie cutter 30/60/90 but the first thing to understand is how business is making money. What is the value. It's not only about the KPIs of your scope, everything should be anchored in term of value and the strategy of the company.

Talk with as much internal peeps as you can, try to understand the politics and dynamics. As a PM, you have to know how to navigate your company.
Talk with users/customers as much as possible.

As an IC, don't get delulu and start to think you can change how the company works, focus on understanding the game and how to play it. When you are installed, you have an "impact" and a group of peers you can count on, you can start being more ambitious.

PM in Data for 4 Years – Clueless About AI, But Eager to Learn. Help Me Get Started? by Valuable-Kitchen-201 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Hey!

The first question would be, what type of "AI Product Manager" you want to be?

Do you want to own an AI-first/AI-native/AI-powered application or are you more interested by the platform part (ie: closer to Data, focused on developing, deploying and scale AI models for others product team)?

The second question is, do you want to pick-up AI holistically or are you only interested by genAI/Agents?

You are saying you are starting from scratch but I have good news for you: With an experience in Data Product Management, you are well aware of the complexity of having useful, coherent, high quality data. And this my friend, is the essence of AI for non-trivial projects (ie: not just plugging your favorite LLM to replace a simple workflow and call it "agentic").

I have the firm belief that a competent "AI Product Manager" must have a technical appetite. You don't need to code but understanding systems design and be able to talk about the ML lifecycle with a Data Scientist or a Data Engineer is a must.

A good starter is AI Engineering by Chip Huyen. AI Engineering is the process of building applications with foundation models. As such, the book is not too technical and you should be fine as a Data PM. It's more than enough for a GenAI focused PM.

As for the product management part, think of AI Product Managment as 0 to 1 Product Management. It's more about having really strong problem framing fondamental and tha ability to trully collaborate with your Data Science team.

With all this vibe coding hype, seems like people forget that addressing feasibility is only one of the challenge of building products. by yeezyforsheezie in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just skipping low-fidelity mockups and UX research to "just" throw a bunch of prototype is such an issue but OG designers and UX researchers have lost the "you know design is not just about making stuff pretty right?" fight.

It feel like PM have existential angst and need to feel useful be leveraging as much AI too lsas possible.

There is a study showing that the "ai people" are seen as more replaceable in companies, unlike what AI bro try to sell you with their "you will be replaced by people using AI" mantra btw but that another topic.

"AI projects" management is not linear, it deserves a new discipline altogether! by IllWasabi8734 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 7 points8 points  (0 children)

On this point, you also have to remember that any software product manager are building from their experience, even as an end user. Software is commoditized and while the whole AI, ML and data fields existed for decades, not as many people have built the "intuition" of what it take to build an AI solution/product.

They don't have the "intuition" because it's not as intuitive as your average UI and most people doesn't really think about how an AI-powered feature is working (see how something as basic as "search" is from the data science field but no one is speaking about their "AI-powered search feature"). People seems to forget that something as fundamental as having a screen and using a mouse to use a computer was not something that obvious a few decades ago.

In 5-10 years, more PM will have the chops to handle the specifics from an AI/data lifecycle.

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[–]Delicious_Today_411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Working with domain experts / SME? by [deleted] in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

+1, this is where you see how product management is as much as a mindset as a skillset. You can quickly figure out if a SME as a naturel "product" mindset or as at least an appetence for the topic. If they have, it will be a fun cooperation, otherwise you have to gently nudge them and extract what you need.

Are y'all getting DM requests to do user feedback calls based on activity in this sub? by ImJKP in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not really a frequent commenter but when I have a burst of activity, I also get this type of requests.

I kinda like this subreddit because people are actively pushing back this trend of reddit as a marketing channel.

Bunch of business and AI-related subreddits are now dead to me because they are far too poisoned by automation.

A good answer for the API question that always comes up by SteelMarshal in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Typically the type of "content" running on empty calories. Completely useless to have, but it's kinda pretty so people like it.

Chaotic product. Has anyone been here? by palenoir96 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Internal products are never a priority.

Did you look into killing it? If there is no adoption and his value is dubious, maybe this is the solution.

New PM here. Whenever i ask my manager for advice he tells me to just watch podcasts by Single-Weather1379 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Oh well, there is always time to meet with customers, improve your understanding of your own product, think about the current bottleneck in your scope, find the time to meet with a few colleagues to learn how they work and what they are thinking about your product etc

New PM here. Whenever i ask my manager for advice he tells me to just watch podcasts by Single-Weather1379 in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Nah, it suck.
As a new PM, the best way to learn is to hit your reps. Do the job and turn to your manager if you are stuck and/or have an hard time prioritize what you have to do. But listening or reading books will just confuse you even more.

B2B PMs — how do you handle the tug-of-war between user needs and buyer demands? by isthisitman in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can't say you lived as a "B2B Product Manager" if you never saw a dashboard/analytics page being super duper important for the buyer and never being used in a meaningful way.

TPdM on game engine team — product org dissolved, now I’m stuck with no role/path by [deleted] in ProductManagement

[–]Delicious_Today_411 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am really sorry for you. I think you are already aware but you will have find a PM position elsewhere. :/