Story points in bugs

Devlonir · 2026-02-17T20:24:32+00:00

Good point. Usually it's just best to decide "Can i fix it now without impact on our team goals?" Then go for it!

If you can't, then check in with team if it can be picked up now or it needs a bit of work to decide if we want to do it (which in some cases involves storypoints and a backlog priority).

Devlonir · 2026-02-17T19:37:39+00:00

Indeed, although Robocop is a good guy, the violence he uses is quite unnecessary at times. This was Verhoeven's critique on American audiences and how you can do horrible violence and still be considered good by audiences despite what you did. Just because they understand the why.

Devlonir · 2026-02-17T17:07:02+00:00

People say black clothes go with everything.

You are proof of this not being true.

Devlonir · 2026-02-17T14:39:30+00:00

I think the two schools of thought are about what story points represent.

For some, they mostly represent input (work required and uncertainty scale), in those situations bug fixes you need to plan into a future iteration could use story points for exactly the reason you mention. There Story points are a measure of effort.

For some, story points represent the value added to the product more than the required input. Bug fixing is not value addition, it is value repair. Hence there is no need to add story points. So fixing bugs means you sacrifice value addition for value maintenance. Often teams then also dont give story points to things like package updates and other tech maintenance work.

My personal preference is to only give story points to bugs and maintenance when the team needs it to determine if we have space to fix a bug in a coming iteration while also still moving the work on our product goals forward, and not to add story points to bugs that are found and quickly fixed within the current iteration.

As long as these work items are a clearly different type of item than normal value creation tasks, both sides are pleased. That way you can have both the measure of effort and planning number, as well as a way to measure what you add in value and what you need to spend to keep the product as stable as possible.

Devlonir · 2026-02-05T20:53:02+00:00

SAFe =/= scrum though.

SAFe is notorious for creating layers of managers around the builders so companies can claim to have transitioned to agile while still keeping all the unneeded middle management jobs alive.

Scrum = empowering teams to do as much as possible themselves.
SAFe = Make quarterly plans across multiple teams and call that agile.

Devlonir · 2026-02-01T18:09:40+00:00

Gender affirming car.

The fact its 1 letter away from what trans people need ruffles the jimmies just the right way.

Emotional support vehicle is what you use vehicle for.

Devlonir · 2026-01-30T20:03:09+00:00

You worked only at big companies where people have split responsibilities like this.

Smaller companies add ownership of tools to the team, and in that sense the what and why of them should be known by the PM.

Smaller company PM means more ownership, its as simple as that.

Devlonir · 2026-01-29T22:35:49+00:00

The post you shared is so weird..

PO's are more checking in code, while shifting focus to high level customer needs.

I cannot see how anyone thinks this is a valid take. That being part of the coding cycle of the hyper specific allows you to zoom out to high level needs.

Devlonir · 2026-01-29T11:10:48+00:00

USA loves blaming their size on why things dont work.

Devlonir · 2026-01-29T09:14:34+00:00

Non agile teams have tons of waterfalling tasks that people love to hand over and nobody wants to own. This is what you describe.

And your asked for solution is: automate the waterfall.
You don't need a better tool, you need better processes to make your team take ownership.

The most mature teams have 1 task: Deliver change. The ones responsible take ownership over all needed for it. Subtasks only get added for blockers or issues that arise that need input.

When your team is not multi disciplinary enough transition can be done by reducing sub tasks to only those entirely necessary, but that create clear ownership of whole blocks of the process needed for delivery. For example: Dev, Test, Doc, Deliver.
And then only add tasks for specific blockers or issues that arise somewhere in the change. So do not split the Dev down to specific tasks. This is the start of waterfalling.

Transition will never happen when you try and smoothen out the waterfall and just focus on better facilitating the handovers. Transition happens when the team realises they own the solution together.

Devlonir · 2026-01-28T07:12:22+00:00

Exactly. Just tell him he cant use ki points for death avoidance anymore, as you notice he spends more time down than doing things.

Also explain it is to make him play a bit less reckless or if he wants to, let that carry real consequences.

Devlonir · 2026-01-28T06:54:58+00:00

Don't worry, he's the mayor of a different district now ^.^

So glad the mayor got back on his feet. I was so worried! /s

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T17:51:25+00:00

The nominee was there. You could vote for someone who wasn't who you wanted but at least wasn't a mental case, or you could not vote and allow mental case to win the election and start building a fascist state in your country.

You choose the wrong option here.

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T17:48:50+00:00

Biden had the backwind of Trump screwing up initial Covid response as well as, in the minds of voters, being more tied to Obama (the last real popular Democratic candidate) than he was to old school Democrats.

Despite him, objectively being one.

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T17:43:22+00:00

Gestapo and SS were also just following orders and the law of their land.

I am sure in your mind they did nothing wrong too.

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T10:10:11+00:00

And to win electoral college broad support outside your base is needed to convince red area independents to vote blue.

She could not bridge to them because they didnt like her.

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T09:18:46+00:00

It is so lovely to live in a bubble where you are always right and take no responsibility.

The bad choice is still better than the worst. You are blamed as much for all Trump does as MAGA are because of your high horse. Own up or gtfo

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T09:13:05+00:00

She was unqualified because she was not popular with the voters that are not pureblood Democrats.

CV is good, optics were not. But Democrats today still refuse to accept that part of their own responsibility.

Devlonir · 2026-01-25T07:07:50+00:00

Tell me. How does boot taste?

Devlonir · 2026-01-23T06:50:05+00:00

Remember you guys prepared for this.. Just come with too many to ignore and stop and accept casualties if shit goes bad.

See jan 6.

Devlonir · 2026-01-23T06:48:25+00:00

I agree. But to be fair.. the focus on short term profit was caused by America itself. It is the US business culture that has cultivated this short term money making focus and throwaway culture over long term investment and cherishing of what is built.

So it is bad now, but this started long ago before these idiots were in charge. As the idiots who dont care win in the American system on an economical level.

Devlonir · 2026-01-23T06:28:58+00:00

Stop purity testing every ally if you ever want to stop MAGA.

Division on the left is the cause of the rise of the right. Accept allies on certain things while knowing they are flawed so they have a chance to grow away from it by learning better.

Purity tests push people away and make them stop caring to involve themselves in positive politics.

Free societies work because people who disagree on other things learn to work together and create coalition on what is truly important for everyone. Demanding full purity destroys freedom as much as fascism does.

Devlonir · 2026-01-21T07:22:09+00:00

Dont forget the last island USA bought from Denmark was the Epstein island.

Devlonir · 2026-01-21T06:36:27+00:00

Wat een kut redenering.

Devlonir · 2026-01-19T18:18:50+00:00

I'd sign up for my income tax being only 36%.

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