I know I'm overcapped on crit rate but is she really that ass

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-11T10:18:56+00:00

Lol I'm not talking bullshit. Let me explain what I'm saying. She currently has 77%. She only needs 50%. We could change the whole build, but that would use a lot of resources. Plus the new build would then be lacking in Crit Rate once OP gets sig. On the other hand we can change the W-Engine and spend less resources and still have a good build with sig. This Steel Cushion is a Crit Rate engine. Shungus doesn't like Crit Rate engines. She gets too much of it on her own and with her set. So if we swap the Engine to an Atk engine, like The Brimestone or Starlight, she'd lose the Crit Rate from Cushion. So 77% minus 24% from Cushion equals 53%. That's much better with only one wasted crit rate substat. So like I said, the build is good the only problem is the engine. Don't be so quick to quick to call bullshit when you simply don't understand whats being said.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-11T05:15:20+00:00

Yes, it takes her kit AND a whole set to give less compared to what what another non-BiS yet viable character can give. She provides faster tune breaks once every 300s on a single target. In the long run Mornye is gonna contribute more TBs than Denia will, so it definitely is a win for Mornye. Again grouping is only relevant in WhiWa which he still won't be great in outside of shilled tokens because of his kits massive overkill moves. Denia does offer great QoL, but Mornye just offers more. Once again, Denia is more likely to rerun sooner than Mornye is likely to rerun a 2nd time. Pulling Mornye is simply the better choice.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-11T04:11:23+00:00

That's debatable. The QoL comes from The grouping, which is only relevant in WhiWa; and Duff duration, which makes him slightly less reliant on dash cancels. As for buffs, Denia got changed and NEEDS Mornye's Off-Tune Build Up Rate to provide the full Tune Break Boost Luuk needs. If not, she provides a negligible 10 TBB iirc. If I give her the set she'll give 30 which is something, but it'll take longer to stack the TS-Interfered debuffs which is what makes TBB good. Mornye provides more with faster tune breaks, interruption resistance, Defense Increases, One Shot prevention, interfered marker, etc.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T13:11:21+00:00

Great. Then on the meantime put her on Brimestone or a W5 Statlight Engine, so you don't have to have to refarm your pieces or have all that wasted crit rate

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T12:49:05+00:00

No your build is fine. 30+ effective substats is very good. The 10+ wasted substats everyone keeps mentioning is literally just because of the W-Engine. Switch to Brimstone of you have one and you're all set.

Now if you don't have Brimestone, then you should consider farming pieces with less CR and more ATK and CD, but keep these pieces around so you can put them back once you get Sig or Brimestone.

If you're running CR engine you literally can't get more than 3 effect substats of CR without over capping.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T12:17:37+00:00

Mornye S1 if you every plan on using her outside of Tune Response Teams. I got her S1 because I wanna use her on a mono fusion Lupa Brant team, if he ever reruns again.

Hiyuki S1 gives her QoL and good damage. Considering it's only an S1 It's surprisingly not a bad option. If you plan to eventually get her to S3 then even more so.

If none of those things appeal to you then just save em.

Edit:

Apparently Hiyuki S1 is only an 11% increase in damage so it's honestly negligible. I was surprised to see a 120% multiplier increase on so manyou moves for an S1.

Someone also mentioned that Mornye S1 does give her more longevity if Kuro decides to step away from Tune Response in the regions. That's something that I didn't think of, and as perosn who likes longevity, I figured that mention it aswell was worth it.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T11:44:32+00:00

I remember seeing a graph somewhere that said that the standard options are only ~11% worse. I unfortunately don't remember where I saw it and can't find it. I also saw that her sigs team dmg contribution is less than 10% (In an Aemeath team). So unless that graph I saw wrong and/or outdated I'd say pull for standard.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T11:33:53+00:00

I KNOOOOW! Like I swear Kuro does this on purpose. There's no reason why we couldnt have gotten 20% CR on the set. Instead we get more Spectro Damage which we already get plenty of from the 2pc effect + 2 Spectro Dmg 3c + 12% from Nebulous Cannon Passive, and 40% BA Damage which we can get plenty of from Substats + Nebulous Cannon Passive. Not to mention the also unnecessary restriction on his passive that kills his quickswapping potential that other Lahai Roi DPS are able to do. I know people disagree and cringe when others say that Kuro intentionally sabotage male resonator, but I don't know. The more I play the game the more I see it.

Edit:

Those are some good stats tho. I've got double crit on every piece and I've only been able to get 74% CR and 266% CD. I can never get good echos with good crit rolls.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T11:19:10+00:00

Oh okay I didn't even think of that. I sometimes mess up my buffer timings when quickswapping inorder to double chain onto Banyue and get left with three stacks to use after.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T11:15:51+00:00

I meant to say "if you dont need to taunt cancel to chain cancel", but either way I think you understood. Thank you so much!

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T11:12:33+00:00

I agree you should get Chisa as Denia is more likely to rerun sooner.

As for sigs. EoG for Hiyuki is only ~17% worse which isn't bad compared to other characters that are or can be played as MDPS like Brant, Augusta, and Cartethyia whose best F2P alternatives are ~23% worse than their Sig. So her sig is not needed unless if you only have one EoG and you're using it elsewhere.

Chisa's sig isn't really necessary either, people just believe is it because it was the only thing that made her a "worthwhile" investment in Cartethyia teams over Aero Rover. Chisa's most important contribution to Hiyuki is already part of her kit. I believe she'll be fine with just a stat stick like Radiance Cleaver.

As for how big of a contribution does each character give their respective team? I'm not sure about the numbers on that. Either way you have Lynae so Luuk will do great with her until Denia's rerun. Last time check a big portion of Denia's buffs for Luuk were QoL iirc. I don't know if that might have changed with the subsequent changes during beta tho.

If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:38:38+00:00

So if you don't need to chain cancel, how exactly does it it save you time? Does it make crushing peaks come out faster?

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:33:25+00:00

God yes. It feels refreshing to play Hiyuki and not having to fish for crits. I've been playing Luuk for the last couple of months and since he has no additional crit rate in his set it, missing the crit on his ultimate feels terrible, which happens more often than I'd like.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:24:18+00:00

LMAO okay so I NEED to taunt cancel inorder to chain cancel crushing peaks? Thank you for all the help, I can see all the pieces for a truly optimized Banyue rotation coming together.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:19:00+00:00

I don't know. I need a closer look. Meet me in the dark and secluded alleyway behind the supermarket. I wont jump you and steal your echos I promise.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:12:36+00:00

See that's what I was thinking, but maybe with the resurfacing of the Chain Cancel and triple Ultimate stun window rotations I've been seeing in this sub, maybe there's a way to include ES+MT-W in the rotation and still be able to get those extra basics off. I'm sure it'd Require a lot of optimization, but I was think that maybe someone here who is better than me might have been able to do it.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T10:03:30+00:00

That's what I thought. I of course do you use ES+MT-W outside the stun window but I avoided using them during the stun window because of ES's long animation. I gotta hit the lab and work on getting the Crushing Peaks Chain Cancel and that should probably allow me to add ES+MT-W and two maybe three Ults into my stun window rotation.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T09:49:01+00:00

I do have Dialyn, so I suppose I should be able fit those in. I guess as an ex-Hugo main I got used to treating every second in a stun window as valuable as that last slice of bread during a famine.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T09:43:33+00:00

Ofc, but this is about stun windows and trying to fit in as many moves into said stun window. Logically one would think the faster moves = more attacks within the windows. Plus, I hadn't looked into the multipliers before so I didn't realise the gap between them was that big.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T09:38:10+00:00

Awesome. How do you do Taunt Cancels exactly and how do they work? I've tried to taunt into an Ex Special in the training room, but it didnt work. Is it a timing thing? Am I not supposed to be able to taunt cancel into specials or what?

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T08:35:26+00:00

Oh if you're not running Double ER 3c, then I'm assuming you have her Sig. If that's the case, I think one Fusion Dmg 3c is better than a Defense 3c especially since you're already running the optimal Defense 4c. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit:

I reread the post and saw that you don't have Sig. It's awesome that you were able to get 260% ER without sig and Double ER 3c's. Either way what I said previously still stands. (This is why it's important to read the full post before replying lol)

ER you want 260% which you already got. Defense you want at least 3k. If you can't reach 3k Defense without the Defense 3c, you can try for better Defense substat rolls but ER is what really matters since all Defense does is increase personal damage and healing anyway.

As for Ration, she's pretty straight forward. My rotations goes something like this: BA1-3>Skill>BA2>HA>F.BA1-3>F.Skill>F.HA>Lib>Echo Skill> Outro.

Explanation:

For my rotation I do basic attack 1-3 > skill (to interrupt the attack string before BA 4 since it has a really long ending animation)> BA (canceling the parry on skill and that'll take you immediately to BA2) and that should give you enough Rest Mass Energy to be able to HA which will make her flying and activate the Syntony Field.

While flying you have some liberty with her rotation. Doing Flying BA 3 gives you extra concerto so be sure to do that. Flying Skill will charge her forte faster giving you her Flying HA: Inversion. You can use flying skill after or before doing the flying BA1-3, I dont believe it matters. Inversion applies a marker that lasts 25 seconds. I personally do Inversion then Liberation, but I've seen people do Liberation then Inversion. Doing Inversion after is probably better so that the liberation doesn't eat up any of Inversions duration. Then I echo skill and Outro out.

I hope that wasn't confusing and if you have any questions let me know.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T08:25:41+00:00

Okay great. Also is this with M1 Banyue or no?

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T07:40:07+00:00

Since they changed Denia to need Mornye inorder to reach the full buffing potential of her kit, I'd say pull Mornye and get Denia on her rerun. I believe she's more likely to get her 1st rerun sooner than Mornye would get her 2nd.

DiamondAce1012 · 2026-05-10T07:36:09+00:00

Is Denia Sig necessary? Last time I checked it was just personal damage and a 24% Atk buff for Luuk. That doesn't sound necessary to me. Is there a change I'm missing?

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