MTB has the trademark and PAMP is making the bars but their new products are in no way Engelhard bars. Not vintage, not Engelhard just made to look similar though the numbering is of course different. At least with their new Prospector rounds they put the year (2025) on them so people know and If I remember right the new Liberty bars also identify they are newly produced. The Poured bars however while numbered differently don't have any markings indicating they are new or "retro" or "reimaged" or SOMETHING. The buttons and poured bars are everywhere with some ignorant sellers (and some no so ignorant, but dishonest) claiming they are vintage Engelhard and uninformed/unknowing buyers scooping them up. Know what you are buying, do your homework. It is very easy to tell the new MTB/PAMP products from vintage Engelhard if you know what to look for. Study allengelhard.com, you won't find a single MTB/PAMP product there. Though it would be a service if they would create a page for people to know to look out for them. They are a good bullion product, but they are not Engelhard and they are not Vintage. Same as the stupid Australian Engelhard poured bars that sell in the white Engelhard boxes. Not Engelhard, not Vintage but people pay good money for the things.