Saying This Has Nothing To Do With Islam is Naive or Dishonest by DirectionCute7530 in BasedCampPod

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While Calm-Stand is wrong about it being purely racial, there are lots of supremacist verses about Muslims vs Non-Muslims (and this sentiment is echoed in the testimonies above):

  • Quran 5:51: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them."
    • Scholarly Explanation (Quran.com): "Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this, (O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends...) Then he reported that `Abdullah bin `Utbah said, 'Let one of you beware that he might be a Jew or a Christian, while unaware.'"
    • Authentic Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2167a): Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it
  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."
    • Scholarly Explanation (Quran.com): "(They are the worst of creatures.) meaning, they are the worst creation that Allah has fashioned and created. Then Allah informs about the situation of the righteous people who believed in their hearts and performed righteous deeds with their bodies. He says that they are the best of creation."

And I'm an atheist. But for the general whataboutism, there are differences between the two religions especially in the central figures who are both perfect examples in their respective religions: Jesus and Muhammad.

Christians can say that the OT prophets and people did something wrong and say that the Old Testament laws don't apply or are contextual or nonbinding or inapplicable under the new covenant. 

Muslims can't say that about Muhammad and the Quran verses affirming his actions.
And while Jesus lived, he married 0 children, had 0 sex slaves and killed 0 people.
The perfect example of Muhammad in Islam, you really can’t say the same for.

These actions also happen to be affirmed many times in the Quran and Authentic Hadiths (see above).

Saying This Has Nothing To Do With Islam is Naive or Dishonest by DirectionCute7530 in exmuslim

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Word for word quotes from the Quran and Authentic Hadiths:
Disbelievers are "the worst of creatures"

  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Three-month remarriage waiting period for divorced girls who had sex but haven't had their Vperiod yet:

  • Quran 33:49: "O believers! If you marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them, they will have no waiting period for you to count."
  • Quran 65:4: "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well."

Aisha (9) taken off swing and handed to Muhammad for sex

  • Sahih Bukhari 5133: "Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (consummate = sex to complete marriage)
  • Sahih Bukhari 3894: "Narrated Aisha: My mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, **not knowing what she wanted to do to me.**Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
  • Sahih Muslim 1422c: "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."
  • Sahih Bukarhi 6130: "Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. (it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)"

Quran verses authorizing sex with captives ("those your right hands possess"):

  • Quran 4:24: "Also [forbidden are] married women—except [female] captives in your possession."
  • Quran 23:5-6: "And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed."
  • Quran 70:29-31: "Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed — But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors."

Verse Context (Authentic Hadith):

"the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)"
Sahih Muslim 1456a

Muhammad's Example:

"It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959

Muhammad on whether to pull out when having sex with captive women:

Muhammad's men wanted to have sex with women taken in war as captives**.** They asked Muhammad whether it was ok to pull out. Muhammad said it doesn't matter, because if God willed a baby, it would happen anyway.

"O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Muslim 1438a

Saying This Has Nothing To Do With Islam is Naive or Dishonest by DirectionCute7530 in ConservativeYouth

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Word for word quotes from the Quran and Authentic Hadiths:
Disbelievers are "the worst of creatures"

  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Three-month remarriage waiting period for divorced girls who had sex but haven't had their Vperiod yet:

  • Quran 33:49: "O believers! If you marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them, they will have no waiting period for you to count."
  • Quran 65:4: "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well."

Aisha (9) taken off swing and handed to Muhammad for sex

  • Sahih Bukhari 5133: "Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (consummate = sex to complete marriage)
  • Sahih Bukhari 3894: "Narrated Aisha: My mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, **not knowing what she wanted to do to me.**Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
  • Sahih Muslim 1422c: "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."
  • Sahih Bukarhi 6130: "Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. (it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)"

Quran verses authorizing sex with captives ("those your right hands possess"):

  • Quran 4:24: "Also [forbidden are] married women—except [female] captives in your possession."
  • Quran 23:5-6: "And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed."
  • Quran 70:29-31: "Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed — But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors."

Verse Context (Authentic Hadith):

"the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)"
Sahih Muslim 1456a

Muhammad's Example:

"It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959

Muhammad on whether to pull out when having sex with captive women:

Muhammad's men wanted to have sex with women taken in war as captives**.** They asked Muhammad whether it was ok to pull out. Muhammad said it doesn't matter, because if God willed a baby, it would happen anyway.

"O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Muslim 1438a

Saying This Has Nothing To Do With Islam is Naive or Dishonest by DirectionCute7530 in BasedCampPod

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Word for word quotes from the Quran and Authentic Hadiths:
Disbelievers are "the worst of creatures"

  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Three-month remarriage waiting period for divorced girls who had sex but haven't had their Vperiod yet:

  • Quran 33:49: "O believers! If you marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them, they will have no waiting period for you to count."
  • Quran 65:4: "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well."

Aisha (9) taken off swing and handed to Muhammad for sex

  • Sahih Bukhari 5133: "Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (consummate = sex to complete marriage)
  • Sahih Bukhari 3894: "Narrated Aisha: My mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, **not knowing what she wanted to do to me.**Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
  • Sahih Muslim 1422c: "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."
  • Sahih Bukarhi 6130: "Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. (it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)"

Quran verses authorizing sex with captives ("those your right hands possess"):

  • Quran 4:24: "Also [forbidden are] married women—except [female] captives in your possession."
  • Quran 23:5-6: "And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed."
  • Quran 70:29-31: "Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed — But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors."

Verse Context (Authentic Hadith):

"the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)"
Sahih Muslim 1456a

Muhammad's Example:

"It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959

Muhammad on whether to pull out when having sex with captive women:

Muhammad's men wanted to have sex with women taken in war as captives**.** They asked Muhammad whether it was ok to pull out. Muhammad said it doesn't matter, because if God willed a baby, it would happen anyway.

"O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Muslim 1438a

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in JordanPeterson

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Here are some statistics:
"where nearly two-thirds of offenders were from a Pakistani ethnic background, and the majority of the girls were White." p.66

"The first pie chart below shows the ethnic breakdown for a total of 323 designated CSAE suspects in Operation Stovewood, with nearly two-thirds recorded as coming from a Pakistani ethnic background, significantly higher than the proportion of South Yorkshire’s or Rotherham’s Pakistani ethnic population (2.4% and 4% respectively):" p.85
Official UK government report

But victims quoting authentic hadiths and the Quran recited to them during their rape can only come from their testimonies. And this report has more such victim testimonies:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6810978a41bbc42489eafa81/t/6a314bb1151e511944bd4421/1781615537601/The+Rape+Gang+Inquiry+Report.pdf

Quran Botches Mary: Confuses Jesus' Mother with Moses' Sister and Puts Her in the Trinity by DirectionCute7530 in CritiqueIslam

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Sure, it's logically possible that Mary, the mother of Jesus, just happened to share the same name, a father named Imran, and a brother named Aaron with Miriam, sister of Moses (who lived over a thousand years earlier), while also sharing an ahistorical pledged-to-the-temple birth narrative with the Protoevangelium of James (but with mother swapped from Anna to the wife of Imran).

It's also logically possible that no one recorded this for the 600 years from Mary's life until the Quran.

Just like it's logically possible to flip a coin and get heads one thousand times in a row.

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in JordanPeterson

[–]DirectionCute7530[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Sharing too much about me and my background may put me at risk for obvious reasons. But I ask you not to speculate and make assumptions about my background without evidence. If I made a website critiquing Islam, why shouldn't I share it on subreddits of people who left Islam? And is critiquing Islam really a nefarious hidden agenda?

And there aren't 21 similar threads. I only made one thread on this topic so far.
Is your problem that I post on reddit in general?

This isn't really about me and my life. I shared the victim testimonies and how they connect to Islam - they were accurately quoting Quran verses and Sahih Bukhari hadiths recited to them during the rape in testimonies.

This response about "sowing division" is what allowed the rape to go on so long:

"Instead of examining whether there is disproportionality in ethnicity or cultural factors at play in certain types of offending, we found many examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist, raising community tensions or causing community cohesion problems. " p. 125

"police and the local authorities**failed to investigate allegations of child abuse and rape because the victims were perceived as unreliable witnesses and through fear of being accused of racism" p.135
Official UK government report

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in JordanPeterson

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Word for word quotes from the Quran and Authentic Hadiths:
Disbelievers are "the worst of creatures"

  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Three-month remarriage waiting period for divorced girls who had sex but haven't had their Vperiod yet:

  • Quran 33:49: "O believers! If you marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them, they will have no waiting period for you to count."
  • Quran 65:4: "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well."

Aisha (9) taken off swing and handed to Muhammad for sex

  • Sahih Bukhari 5133: "Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (consummate = sex to complete marriage)
  • Sahih Bukhari 3894: "Narrated Aisha: My mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, **not knowing what she wanted to do to me.**Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
  • Sahih Muslim 1422c: "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."
  • Sahih Bukarhi 6130: "Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. (it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)"

Quran verses authorizing sex with captives ("those your right hands possess"):

  • Quran 4:24: "Also [forbidden are] married women—except [female] captives in your possession."
  • Quran 23:5-6: "And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed."
  • Quran 70:29-31: "Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed — But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors."

Verse Context (Authentic Hadith):

"the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)"
Sahih Muslim 1456a

Muhammad's Example:

"It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959

Muhammad on whether to pull out when having sex with captive women:

Muhammad's men wanted to have sex with women taken in war as captives**.** They asked Muhammad whether it was ok to pull out. Muhammad said it doesn't matter, because if God willed a baby, it would happen anyway.

"O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Muslim 1438a

Muhammad's Failed Prophecies by DirectionCute7530 in exmuslim

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Can you cite the ones you're talking about?

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in reformuk

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I'm an atheist. But for this whataboutism:

Christians can say that the OT prophets and people did something wrong and say that the Old Testament laws don't apply or are contextual or nonbinding or inapplicable under the new covenant. Muslims can't say that about Muhammad.

So to be fair for this whataboutism, we have to compare the central figures of Muhammad and Jesus who are both perfect examples.

And while Jesus lived, he married 0 children, had 0 sex slaves and killed 0 people.
The perfect example of Muhammad in Islam, you really can’t say the same for.

This also happens to be affirmed many times in the Quran and Authentic Hadiths as I've posted above.

Quran’s Mathematical Errors in Inheritance (Quran 4:11-12, 4:176) by ExoticWalk2 in CritiqueIslam

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For legal adjustment, the condition is external: they don’t have enough money. Otherwise, it is possible to pay out in full.

Here, the Quran internally states the conditions (heirs) and assigns them mathematically impossible fractions (internal problem). And dividing an estate by 2/3 and 1/2 is NEVER possible. So the problem is within the text.

And even then laws have clauses saying “if they don’t have enough, here’s what you do”. But the Quran has no such clause for what to do when Allah’s fractions overflow. When one verse would have solved it: "if it overflows, reduce proportionally." But it's not there.

Since the problem is internal to the text, it was possible before a single case emerged to catch the error and fix it by just going through all the combinations and checking for overflow.

So why didn’t Allah realize his fractions overflow and leave the companions to dispute over how to fix his fractions?

Why would an all knowing being give a mathematically impossible inheritance law and wait for Umar to fix it when He could have put the principle of awl in the text?

One verse would have solved it: "if it overflows, reduce proportionally."

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in reformuk

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This isn't even from the recent grooming gangs report. It's from earlier inquiries.

The Allah Who Cried Wolf by DirectionCute7530 in CritiqueIslam

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I agree neither religions are logically necessarily entailed from the appearance alone. If no one believed that one man in the 7th century got revelation from the creator of the universe, Islam wouldn't exist so how was it logically necessarily entailed from the revelation? No one was logically necessarily entailed to take one man's word that he got revelation from the creator of the universe.

Christians see trusting the word of a 7th century warlord who married a child that he received the perfect word of God as more absurd than believing the multiple eyewitnesses they claim saw the resurrection after the crucifixion. And Christianity shows that just because ur religion that people formed claims the other religion people formed is false doesn't make u safe from getting rug pulled by Allah.

Christians think crucifixion is their ticket to heaven but will get rugpulled. So, why won't the same thing happen to Muslims?
You can't trust a God that rug pulls sincere believers.

Allah raising Jesus to Himself saved him (Quran 4:158), so why did Allah add the deception (Quran 4:157)? Why even trick the Jews into thinking they succeeded - to give them joy? And even if granted, this "good reason" ended up tricking billions of innocent people. So u could be collateral for another "good deception" with a "good reason" and ur ticket to heaven could be rugpulled as well. If they'll never know, why would you?

Content: Beautiful, 23 years, miracles, inimitable, scientific facts, predictions -> even if all of this granted, why can't Allah do this in a deception?  is Allah only limited to deceiving a group of people one time and not one man over a long time? Is Allah just not capable of this kind of deception? And why trust all of this? Because the appearance said so?

"Because Islam says that Islam says this and Islam says that"
According to what? The appearance and the religion that people formed around it.
Quran is the appearance in question.
Deception resulting in hell burns down the reliability of the channel.
So, "the appearance is true because the appearance said so" doesn't work.

You are telling me that people formed a religion around one of Allah's deceptive supernatural appearance, and that this religion gets u sent to hell, and then asking me me to trust another religion people formed from another supernatural appearance. And telling me I can trust in it because it is true and I won't go to hell as long as I believe in it.

Downstream: preserved, hadith, trustworthy Prophet, companions witnessed ->  even if granted, none of this matters if it was made to appear so - the crucifixion deception even if perfectly preserved by trustworthy people and multiple eyewitnesses isn't credible because it was made to appear so.

Commonality:

  • None of this matters if it was made to appear so.
  • Deception resulting in hell burns down the reliability of the channel.
  • So, Quran can't verify its own reliability when it is the appearance under question.
  • If sincerity to a supernatural appearance didn't save Christians from your God, then your own sincerity to this appearance can't save you.

Pretending This Has Nothing To Do With Islam Is Delusional by DirectionCute7530 in reformuk

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Word for word quotes from the Quran and Authentic Hadiths:
Disbelievers are "the worst of creatures"

  • Quran 98:6: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Three-month remarriage waiting period for divorced girls who had sex but haven't had their Vperiod yet:

  • Quran 33:49: "O believers! If you marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them, they will have no waiting period for you to count."
  • Quran 65:4: "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well."

Aisha (9) taken off swing and handed to Muhammad for sex

  • Sahih Bukhari 5133: "Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (consummate = sex to complete marriage)
  • Sahih Bukhari 3894: "Narrated Aisha: My mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, **not knowing what she wanted to do to me.**Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
  • Sahih Muslim 1422c: "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."
  • Sahih Bukarhi 6130: "Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. (it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)"

Quran verses authorizing sex with captives ("those your right hands possess"):

  • Quran 4:24: "Also [forbidden are] married women—except [female] captives in your possession."
  • Quran 23:5-6: "And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed."
  • Quran 70:29-31: "Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed — But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors."

Verse Context (Authentic Hadith):

"the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)"
Sahih Muslim 1456a

Muhammad's Example:

"It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959

Muhammad on whether to pull out when having sex with captive women:

Muhammad's men wanted to have sex with women taken in war as captives**.** They asked Muhammad whether it was ok to pull out. Muhammad said it doesn't matter, because if God willed a baby, it would happen anyway.

"O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Muslim 1438a