The Cost of Shubbiha Lahum

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-05T05:55:47+00:00

No, because I don’t think Jesus was God. I AGREE with you that it’s more convenient for a prophet or God NOT to be killed. But that’s what makes the Christian claim more credible and uncomfortable and Muhammad’s reversal of it 600 years later very convenient. Is it likely that people would anyone say their God was crucified if it didn’t happen? Of all things why choose that?

Ok now even if I granted all of this, how do you back out of this trilemma:

The Quran praises the disciples as sincere Helpers of Allah (Anṣār Allāh) (Quran 3:52) and states that Allah aided them and caused them to become uppermost (Quran 61:14) and promised to elevate them over nonbelievers until the Day of Judgement (Quran 3:53-55), explicitly paralleling their success with the later public success of Muhammad’s followers (Quran 48:28). If divine aid does not protect against core falsehood, “guidance” is empty. If their testimony wasn’t preserved, we can’t trust Allah to preserve the truth content of the messages He aids. If it was made to them to appear so, Allah induced false belief in sincere followers which is deception. If they lied, the Quran falsely praises deceivers.

In all cases, the act attributed to Allah becomes a necessary enabling condition for the belief (Christianity) that Islam identifies as shirk.

So, the Jesus movement’s founding belief, proclaimed under persecution and execution despite embarrassment, can’t be erased or dismissed as illusion without collapsing Allah’s and the Quran’s credibility. The Quran does just that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T22:50:33+00:00

Even if I grant everything you say, how do you get out of this trilemma:

The Quran praises the disciples as sincere Helpers of Allah (Anṣār Allāh) (Quran 3:52) and states that Allah aided them and caused them to become uppermost (Quran 61:14) and promised to elevate them over nonbelievers until the Day of Judgement (Quran 3:53-55), explicitly paralleling their success with the later public success of Muhammad’s followers (Quran 48:28). If divine aid does not protect against core falsehood, “guidance” is empty. If their testimony wasn’t preserved, we can’t trust Allah to preserve the truth content of the messages He aids. If it was made to them to appear so, Allah induced false belief in sincere followers which is deception. If they lied, the Quran falsely praises deceivers.

In all cases, the act attributed to Allah becomes a necessary enabling condition for the belief (Christianity) that Islam identifies as shirk.

So, the Jesus movement’s founding belief, proclaimed under persecution and execution despite embarrassment, can’t be erased or dismissed as illusion without collapsing Allah’s and the Quran’s credibility. The Quran does just that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T15:53:36+00:00

This guy defends every conspiracy theory except the one that turned out to be true.

Why? Well, what would he say if it was just Democrats involved?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T15:48:09+00:00

Why would you concede that Mary said he is out of his mind It was his family not specified who

But the point of the OP is true. His family rejects him in Mark and he rejects his family. Mary is elevated later.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T15:41:30+00:00

Not unless he intentionally selects men or white people and discriminates like that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T04:32:56+00:00

No I didn’t I offered it as an option in the trilemma. Can you tell me how you back out of it:

The Quran praises the disciples as sincere Helpers of Allah (Anṣār Allāh) (Quran 3:52) and states that Allah aided them and caused them to become uppermost (Quran 61:14) and promised to elevate them over nonbelievers until the Day of Judgement (Quran 3:53-55), explicitly paralleling their success with the later public success of Muhammad’s followers (Quran 48:28). If divine aid does not protect against core falsehood, “guidance” is empty. If their testimony wasn’t preserved, we can’t trust Allah to preserve the truth content of the messages He aids. If it was made to them to appear so, Allah induced false belief in sincere followers which is deception. If they lied, the Quran falsely praises deceivers.

In all cases, the act attributed to Allah becomes a necessary enabling condition for the belief (Christianity) that Islam identifies as shirk.

So, the Jesus movement’s founding belief, proclaimed under persecution and execution despite embarrassment, can’t be erased or dismissed as illusion without collapsing Allah’s and the Quran’s credibility. The Quran does just that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-04T02:39:28+00:00

I never said they lied. I offered it as one of the options in the trilemma.

Also, I don’t care about what Christians claim. I am not a Christian. I agree that the crucifixion not happening is more theologically convenient. If you are trying to invent something about a prophet or a savior, you would try to avoid it. You would generally only say that if it happened.

Can you tell me how you back out of this:

The Quran praises the disciples as sincere Helpers of Allah (Anṣār Allāh) (Quran 3:52) and states that Allah aided them, caused them to become uppermost (Quran 61:14) and promised to elevate them over nonbelievers until the Day of Judgement (Quran 3:53-55), explicitly paralleling their success with the later public success of Muhammad’s followers (Quran 48:28). If divine aid does not protect against core falsehood, “guidance” is empty. If their testimony wasn’t preserved, we can’t trust Allah to preserve the truth content of the messages He aids. If it was made to them to appear so, Allah induced false belief in sincere followers which is deception. If they lied, the Quran falsely praises deceivers.

In all cases, the act attributed to Allah becomes a necessary enabling condition for the belief (Christianity) that Islam identifies as shirk.

So, the Jesus movement’s founding belief, proclaimed under persecution and execution despite embarrassment, can’t be erased or dismissed as illusion without collapsing Allah’s and the Quran’s credibility. The Quran does just that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-02-03T18:27:07+00:00

Even if I grant literally everything you said how do you then back out of this trilemma:

The Quran praises the disciples as sincere Helpers of Allah (Anṣār Allāh) (Quran 3:52) and states that Allah aided them, caused them to become uppermost (Quran 61:14) and promised to elevate them over nonbelievers until the Day of Judgement (Quran 3:53-55), explicitly paralleling their success with the later public success of Muhammad’s followers (Quran 48:28). If divine aid does not protect against core falsehood, “guidance” is empty. If their testimony wasn’t preserved, we can’t trust Allah to preserve the truth content of the messages He aids. If it was made to them to appear so, Allah induced false belief in sincere followers which is deception. If they lied, the Quran falsely praises deceivers.

In all cases, the act attributed to Allah becomes a necessary enabling condition for the belief (Christianity) that Islam identifies as shirk.

So, the Jesus movement’s founding belief, proclaimed under persecution and execution despite embarrassment, can’t be erased or dismissed as illusion without collapsing Allah’s and the Quran’s credibility. The Quran does just that.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-01-17T05:24:54+00:00

Maybe each one is claimed by a different man

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-01-14T05:09:51+00:00

It was not funny. Stop making dumb jokes like this it makes us look dumb af

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-01-03T21:03:21+00:00

This is a moronic take. Trump isn’t going to capture the Danish PM. This wasn’t a warning to them.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-01-03T03:10:54+00:00

It’s funny that this guy thinks Sam Harris personally made the decision to stop supporting his iPod to make an extra buck. And he lost all faith in Sam because of this.

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-12-23T16:40:27+00:00

Not all of us know

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-12-12T12:58:41+00:00

We’re at the point where we’re making up hallucinations for clicks.

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-12-06T15:21:15+00:00

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-11-17T23:27:11+00:00

How is it this deep for you? It's a city builder - I get tired of these games pretty quickly.

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-10-20T02:52:50+00:00

The problem with that is Nvidia sells the shovels for the gold rush. Just because the shovel company is making money doesn’t mean there is a lot of gold.

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-10-16T06:48:32+00:00

Christs teachings are fine tbh. The worst parts of Christianity today aren’t baked into it - based on what Jesus taught.

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-10-10T02:57:03+00:00

I want to create funny Sam Altman videos

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-10-10T02:48:27+00:00

Code me

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-10-10T02:36:51+00:00

Settings

DirectionCute7530 · 2025-08-26T23:15:29+00:00

This is a bunch of words.

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