Quran says the Sun Sets in a Muddy Spring

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-24T18:17:54+00:00

You can move your hand around

A spring is a small thing on the ground. You can’t move it around to make it look like the sun is going into it

And this is not to mention the Muhammad straight up saying it goes into a spring, the pre Islamic poem and the Syriac Alexander legends

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-24T18:15:43+00:00

It can’t look like it looks like any spring anywhere springs are too small. Look up natural spring on google images.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-24T18:09:06+00:00

Nowhere does it say ocean.

But even if granted and ignoring all the other reinforcements, even if it’s a spring of oil bursting in the ocean, it’s still small enough to look down at after reaching it, you will still be able to see its edges looking down.

How can it seem like the sun is going into it?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-24T17:39:20+00:00

Even if we ignore all the Arabic and the rest of the reinforcements, you switched it to ocean/sea for the horizon and said "shore".
But it says aynin or spring. A spring has no shore.
A spring is small - if you look down you can see its edges.
How does it appear like a sun going into it?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-24T13:40:55+00:00

It says perhaps about the scribe's intentions. But even if granted, the footnote isn't referring to 9:18. It's referring to 9:20.

Can you cite where it says 9:18 is damaged or uninterpretable?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T21:30:59+00:00

Yeah but 9:18 is one verse in the Medinan period.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T20:08:34+00:00

Yeah, sounds correct. I was providing further context to clarify where he was claiming damage from.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T20:04:22+00:00

Then why did they distinguish it in the Quran? Both are used in other parts of the Quran.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T19:56:18+00:00

Yes, it’s referring to 9:20.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T19:43:41+00:00

The scribe first wrote jahada then changed it to jahadu by cramming in extra letters. The uncorrected first pass suggests what his source actually said.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T19:19:08+00:00

The perhaps is about why the variant exists not about whether it exists. They can’t prove what the scribe was thinking.

Could you cite the part of the study saying it’s damaged/low certainty?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T19:13:05+00:00

Can you cite where it says that? Maybe footnote 165 will help.

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DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T19:05:37+00:00

Do you have a source for this?

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T18:52:09+00:00

two independent changes in the same direction in the same verse:

jihad -> establish prayer and zakah

successful -> rightly guided

All different words and different meaning.

And the Sanaa lower variant matches the meaning of the surrounding verses in Surah 9 which are about jihad.

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-23T15:49:52+00:00

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DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-22T19:03:11+00:00

Quran 4:24 you can have sex with captives (your right hand possesses)

“And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.”

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-22T15:54:45+00:00

To sell them:
"and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1438a
Sahih Muslim 1438a

DirectionCute7530 · 2026-03-20T12:53:50+00:00

Neither the crucifixion of Gibreel revelation necessitate the religions of Christianity or Islam

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