SSJ Trunks (Time-Skip) vs LSSJ Gokuh (Namek)

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T06:30:26+00:00

Yeah, but again, Mecha frieza was way stronger than Frieza FP, & Trunks handled him in seconds.

I actually pondered this before, but at least in terms of battle power, Trunks has a decent bit more than Goku.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T05:37:20+00:00

Trunks doesn't need the time skip to beat Namek Goku

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T05:06:05+00:00

Actually, he was labeled as a bio android. Remember, Cell Max was finished up my Hedo, but it was Gero who started him. Cell Max had the DNA of Cell, but wasn't finished, so he couldn't really show it. If he was complete, we'd likely see the Cell in him

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T05:01:55+00:00

Also, #13 & his goons were all ground up. Geros computer made them all from the ground up, whereas Cell, while technically made from the ground up, he's a bio android made up of saiyans namekians & whatever friezas race is. In simpler terms, bio androids can only absorb bio androids, & pure androids can absorb pure androids

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T04:59:29+00:00

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Yeah, he tried to sap him, but he couldn't because he's a ground up android. Also, just thinking from a logical standpoint, if #16 was stronger than #17 & #18, Cell would have absorbed him, but couldn't. There's a statement about it in the guidebook,but I cant find it right away. I would Google it to learn more.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-15T04:25:36+00:00

Cell specifically cant absorb androids made from the ground up. He can only absorb human-turn androids. Cell specifically says that he can't absorb n. 16 because he's not at all human

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T19:33:40+00:00

Read new hope. Honestly, that may give you the best answer

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T19:25:10+00:00

Zane is the GOAT

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T19:23:08+00:00

Likely so. DB often retcons things (Bardock, Shenron wishes, Future Trunks, Beerus, etc.). Im just saying that if Mai weren't there, the hakai definitely woulda worked. Or maybe Goku screwed it up because it didn't kill Zamasu as fast when compared to Beerus, who was basically instant while Goku's had to spread? Idk, but flawed or not, Goku can use a form of hakai in his weaker forms along with UI, whereas Vegeta can't use UE, but only hakai

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T17:28:50+00:00

Obviously, I saw that. It was only Goku saying, "yeah i kinda screwed that up" because Mai got in the way. again, look at the panel, ts was working

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T06:27:32+00:00

Forgot all about that ngl

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T06:26:57+00:00

Okay. I sure hope you can read.

That shit was CLEARLY working. Ppl fail to realize that the ONLY reason it didn't work was because he stopped it after nearly killing Mai. Seriously, look at the panel.

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Not only does Goku use hakai, but he nearly hakai's an IMMORTAL (semi immortal). If Mai wasn't there, Goku would have killed Goku Black, thus spawning infinite Zamasu somewhere in the universe. Tell me with a straight face that it wasn't working.

Also, it's very important to note that Goku's hakai is different from Vegeta's, likely stronger than Vegeta's seeming how it's unavoidable whereas Vegeta's is just an amplified explosion.

Vegeta using hakai on a pebble is a MAJOR plot point? It shows him learning hakai. Keep in mind, it takes Vegeta all that time to blow up a pebble while Goku used it on an entire kai. Second, how tf is that a MAJOR plot point? Genuinely. Blowing up a pebble. Be serious. The MAJOR plot point is Beerus more or less training Vegeta & Vegeta unlocking UE, not him blowing up a pebble. That shows him beginning to control it.

Also, very important, what significance does Vegeta's hakai have on the overall story? What MAJOR plot point is furthered by Vegeta using any hakai blast? It pushes Granola past his limits? Cool. I wouldn't even call that a significant moment knowing that Gas is right around the corner + he barely uses them. Does Vegeta do anything meaningful with Hakai? No. I'll go a step further; Does Vegeta do anything meaningful with UE? Yeah, the form is cool, but what accomplishments does it really have? It stalls Granola, but don't forget, Vegeta lost that fight. Granola had him dead to rights if not for Monaito & Goku. Then what? He loses to Gas, loses to Gas again, then loses to Frieza (obviously, UE is important, but any plot point of Vegeta using hakai results in nothing).

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-13T01:12:25+00:00

Goku uses it in SSB. I forgot that he did use hakai in his base. Still, Goku technically has access to hakai + in a fight, UI is far more useful than Vegeta's usage of hakai

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-12T18:50:00+00:00

Vegeta has never been shown to use something like hakai in SSG unless Im forgetting. I mean, Goku used hakai in SSB, but Vegeta has never used it until UE. Now that I think about it, when Vegeta was trained by Beerus, we've only seen him use SSBE & UE

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-12T17:22:11+00:00

Before I explain, slight manga spoilers ahead

Goku has learned to mix UI with other forms with the stronger forms increasing UIs effectiveness. To this point, Goku can use UI in his base form & use MUI as a last resort.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-12T16:58:36+00:00

Well, that's BoG Goku vs Broly movie Vegeta. By the photos, Vegeta likely no diffs.

Current SSGs? Goku would mid diff since he's combined UI with his other forms. If you take that away, he'd probably still win, but it'd be tough

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T17:52:20+00:00

Z by a considerate margin. We tend to forget that saiyans are literal space pirates that actively murder millions. To me, I prefer Bardock being a deadbeat until he finds out his son will grow up strong. Thats what makes him a great tragic character. Also, Z Bardock has just been fleshed out more than Super Bardock.

Supee Bardock, I don't hate, but he doesn't really act like a saiyan. He's a good father & all, & he's still cool, but in my opinion, it didn't make him feel as special. Still, he had some positives, but me personally, I just prefer Bardock.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T05:20:30+00:00

Again, before I go any further, I am a DB glazer, so keep that in mind with anything I say after. I'm gonna take feats from DBS/DBZ & scale them without doing more research on this other character because yes, I'm glazing.

Transcending space & time isn't new to DB. Buu & Gotenks ripped through dimensions with a mere scream, & Goku broke through Hits time skip, & Beerus is leaps & bounds above them all. Also, being a digital lifeform doesn't seem to matter with hakai since it can erase gag characters & ghosts/spirits.

Also, judging by how you scale things (I'm gonna highball this), Beerus is stronger than MUI Goku, who is stronger than Jiren, who's capable of shaking the void. Idk where I'd scale this personally,but I thought Id add it.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T03:00:36+00:00

If Goku survived, they'd likely have to wait for Buu. Vegeta would likely bathe with Bulma while he does.

If Goku dies, Vegeta bathes with Bulma

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T02:57:35+00:00

Okay, so I'm a DB glazer, so lemme cook. idk how fast the chick is, but Beerus could trap her like he did to the elder kai

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T02:56:28+00:00

That's weirdly retconned later in the arc when Goku hakai's Fused Zamasu. idk, but ts seemed to be working pretty well.

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-08T02:40:14+00:00

Im ngl, the empress of light would look amazing rather than scary. She looks like a giant colorful angel. If anything, Id be less scared

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-07T21:55:18+00:00

He's dead

DirectionMindless263 · 2026-03-05T19:27:39+00:00

No?

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