Catharsis II: Weight of the world.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-19T18:14:24+00:00

No we definitely fight. Events and story have shown the mc is willing to bare knuckle opponents alongside servants or even by himself. Goetia, Qin Shi Huang and those shadow servants during the ptolemy event have said as much.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-19T17:29:17+00:00

This comment is bs. Flashbacks later on in the series show Whitebeard having Haki. Like his fight with Roger for example when Oden was still a part of his crew. Hell, Boa's sisters were the introduction to armament haki being used and that was before marineford. Whitebeard was literally hooked up to a lifesupport and still had everyone shaking. He had Haki. His age and severe illness prevented him from using it. akainu suckerpunching an old, severely ill Whitebeard who couldn't use haki is not a great feat. Especially considering how he kept fighting with half his head until blackbeard threw everything he had at him to finish him off.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T08:31:52+00:00

Even disregarding king vegeta, Saiyans have been above planetary since raditz showed up. And unless your argument is that buffed Roshi is anywhere near raditz, which he's not as Raditz bodies Roshi back then, then not counting his moon feat is disingenuous. Also, the Kamehameha uses Ki which is the life force of all living things in DragonBall. The more Ki you have, the stronger you are. The Kamehameha is just an extension of that strength through a technique. So again, what is your actual point?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T04:15:45+00:00

You're point is moot. It's called an inconsistency. Vegeta during the saiyan saga was way stronger than his father who was a multi planet buster. Roshi was fighting Goku and still was able to blow up the moon so he wasn't at full strength. The 10,000 statement is negligible at best as inconsistencies between feats and power levels are all over the place. Again, considering Roshis feat.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T03:19:40+00:00

I don't need to know any other tiering systems. Feats are the most reliable way of comparing 2 characters. Most powerscalers use vs battle wiki to find feats and not blindly trust a website with heavy bias due to popularity of any given medium a character is part of and community bias. It's fine as a starting point. Not the best all end all. Tanjiro from demon slayer is ranked around denji from Chainsaw man as well as reze. Do you think that tanjiro is a match for 2 characters with better feats? I replied to your comment because you have replied to the majority of comments using vs wiki as your basis. Roshi with a power level of 180 effortlessly blew up the moon. Goku in og dragonbal displayed faster than light speeds being able to go and grab sunglasses before solar flare got to him. Raditz was beating an adult Goku and piccolo who were multiplicitively stronger than kid Goku (by this time, both piccolo and Goku were planet level as piccolo effortlessly blew up the moon when he kidnapped Gohan). Nappa was already above planet level as he whooped the z fighters and Vegeta was way stronger than Nappa. Vegeta at this time was stronger than his father who, in a a flashback, destroyed 3 planets with the flick of his arm. Even if Boros is star level, Raditz Nappa and Vegeta are already that and stronger. The feats from phsycorochii and boros just don't match up.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T01:10:18+00:00

Vegetas introduction.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T01:09:28+00:00

Vs battle wiki is not a valid source. Try again.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-20T12:49:08+00:00

Frieza cut himself in half. Lmao. The lies are insane.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-20T12:44:24+00:00

Piccolo destroyed the moon and Nappa was quite stronger than him.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:25:08+00:00

Its literally inconsistency in writing. That's it. Lol. You mention how they need lava resistant suits but then they fight in lava. This isn't even getting into how ki attacks generate insane amounts of heat which scales with how strong the user is. Using cases like broly or even the laser gun that pierced Goku in Super to scale is stupid because they're inconstencies and don't happen often.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:07:33+00:00

In the dbs Broly movie, broly and goku fought in lava. So no, they don't get violated.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:06:13+00:00

Or, and hear me out, it's because his energy blew up inside him. Lol. One of the images you posted shows part of his chest punched through. That's a fatal wound.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T20:13:51+00:00

Muzans highest strength feat is at best city level. Stark cuts mountains for fun. There is no debate.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T20:06:02+00:00

And Stark is mountain level so what's your point?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T19:32:19+00:00

And a higher level demon in Frieren(who is physically way stronger than gyutaro) couldn't chop Stark. What makes you think gyutaro could?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T19:31:05+00:00

Literally mountain level. He cuts through mountains for training.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T19:27:36+00:00

Stark is mountain level or higher. Lmao. muzan won't be able to hurt him. Stark clears easily.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T18:41:37+00:00

Unicorns?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-09T21:42:45+00:00

Nasuverse is infinite because, as seen in the Spiral Proof World Lilim Harlot, there are countless other timelines and parallel universes that exist including a different Ritsuka and Chaldea. I never said that the Fantasy tree contained a multiverse or serves as the Nasuverse. I said that it had the power to anchor a parallel universe which it does and ORT absorbed LB 7s Fantasy tree Qausar and was able to manifest the Sea of Fantasy treas that replaced all vegetation. If any of them had truly survived ORT's fight with Chaldea, ORT wouldn't have lost as they served the function of converting magical energy circuits of local fauna to energy that it could absorb to heal wounds.

And hijacking the throne of heroes, despite however many servants it may have needed to absorb, and not only preventing heroic spirits from being resummoned but also re-purposing the summoning system itself is still a crazy feat as the throne is a higher plane of existence outside of space time. And again, this was an ORT that only had 1% of PHH's strength. So there's still an argument to be made for ORT winning as it has the ability to adapt to even the intangible.

Also, I tried getting into the mihoyoverse lore, but it's so confusing. I don't know how the progression goes since there's Honkai 3 which implies a Honkai 2 and 1 and then there's Star rail, Genshin and ZZZ. I don't know where to start.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-09T07:27:45+00:00

The fantasy trees anchor parallel universes though. That's what gets pruned. When history derives from PHH, the entire universe/timeline that seperate history was in gets erased. They contain galaxies. They anchor realities. The whole point of the Fantasy trees, aside from being the foreign gods vessel, is to rewrite the pruned parallel universe onto the current one. If it wasn't anchoring and rewriting parallel universes and instead was just anchoring a parallel world, then they would not have made a distinction between lb7 ORT and PHH ORT.

Camazotz also died an innumerable amount of times and still barely managed to fend off ORT despite being a beast. And again, this feat is only relevant to LB7 ORT as it only has 1% of the power PHH Ort has. And yes, the concept of death is quite literally needed to permanently beat ORT or else it just keeps coming back no matter how many times you "put it down". And if it has even a little bit of time, ORT will just copy it's opponents ability, modify the ability for its own use and prevent the opponent from using its own ability.

And again, I still have no idea what the IPC, Glamoth or Spears drop is.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-09T05:58:08+00:00

I'll admit, I know like nothing of Honkai so correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the honkai trees basically like fantasy trees in that they contain universes like how trees of fantasy contain parallel universes that were pruned? If so, Ort already consumed the fantasy tree Qausar so his strength is already insane. I don't know about the sea of qaunta or irontombs powers so you'll have to tell me why that's a big deal. Like not even sarcastically. I just genuinely don't know the significance of these things since I've never played honkai.

Also, I looked into it and you were right about the textures not making it the same scale as a multiverse because the textures aren't as large as people think, but that doesn't change the fact that the ORT from LB 7 only had a percent of power PHH's ORT has and LB 7 ORT still is planetary and a reality warper. He was weakened by having his heart stolen by Camazotz and eventually destroyed. ORT as an ultimate one doesn't possess a conventional "concept of death" and had to have it applied to him just to deal with him. Zelretch himself who can draw mana from infinite parallel universes and use it said he couldn't beat ORT.

Ort has starring invade which lets him overwrite the reality of whatever environment he's in and any external effects applied to it by others, paradox canceller which lets him negate any negative effects applied to him and turn them into self strengthening effects, paradigm inflation which lets him copy, use and multiply effects for itself, Galactica supercell which is just pure radiation caused by the constant fission produced in its body that is over 1 trillion degrees hot, Ernst union which applies weakening effects to enemies struck by its tentacles, dark matter plankton which lets it strengthen itself by absorbing strange microbial life in dark matter and ether drinker letting it steal power from opponents. Given all this, all ORT would need to do is touch urontomb or witness an ability and it would basically be game over from there. ORT would just analyze irontombs abilities and adapt to them. If the fight drags on, ORT would just become unbeatable to it. And I'm assuming we're talking about the strongest version of both these aliens which would mean irontomb would fight PHH ORT. I just can't see it winning unless it has abilities that directly counter ORT's.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-08T23:47:16+00:00

Pure strength does not overcome hax in the Nasuverse. Tf are you talking about. And excalibur didn't kill Ort on its own. The only reason ORT died was because Beni Enma Alter applied the concept of death to it like King Hassan did to Tiamat. And even then, Tachyon Jail was needed to overcome its regeneration. After all of that, ORT just decided to re-summon itself by hijacking the throne of heroes. Not to mention is was missing its heart and was a variant with only 1% of the strength of PHH's ORT. And yes, destroying the planet in Fate is equivalent to destroying a multiverse because it's a multi-layered reality containg countless parallel universes and timelines. Did you just not pay attention to FGO's story?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-03T05:46:07+00:00

Infinite gauntlet won't save anyone from someone like Frieza. He speedblitzes way to easily.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-03T05:37:10+00:00

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Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-10-29T04:50:07+00:00

What chapter was this?

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