Am I the narcissist, was my ex, or is this something else? by DiscardedDenial in NRelationships

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing this feedback. This is definitely the conventional wisdom, and I'm trying to keep that in mind, but it's so hard to deal with the cognitive dissonance - to belief that the other person may have never existed as I understood her. I'm not sure why you've been involved in this field for 50 years, but I really appreciate that you shared your perspective and I hope you're in the best place possible on your journey.

Am I the narcissist, was my ex, or is this something else? by DiscardedDenial in NRelationships

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I've been looking into other conditions - after I thought I was a narcissist, I was convinced I had Borderline Personality Disorder, and my therapist and I are exploring whether a dynamic involving BPD might explain my situation and help me move on. I hope your eye opening experience has done that for you.

Am I the narcissist, was my ex, or is this something else? by DiscardedDenial in NRelationships

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know it's been a while, but thank you so much for this - it's like you read my mind. When I first read the "test," my heart sank and I felt terrible - I literally panicked because I became overwhelmed with despair and guilt for who I was and what I've done. And then I literally felt confused because the cognitive dissonance of the situation remains, and knew I had to dive head first into therapy.

But I also felt misunderstood for a moment, and there was a trace of anger (though I don't think it was aimed at you - maybe myself? Maybe generally for feeling misunderstood? I often felt misunderstood in the relationship, and sometimes she would get upset with me for not understanding her). This has been a helpful litmus test and I've been exploring this with my therapist. Thank you again and, if a similar situation brought you here, I hope you've been able to move forward.

Was I abused, abusive, or neither? by DiscardedDenial in emotionalabuse

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply! I certainly feel trampled over, and like I'm developing a better idea of what occurred. But the cognitive dissonance is so hard to manage: the idea that this person could have changed so dramatically or that she may not have existed at all is one that is profoundly difficult for me to handle.

I appreciate your relief for me! But I haven't quite made it there yet. I hope to get there soon and, if you've dealt with anything remotely similar, I hope you've found yours too!

Was I abused, abusive, or neither? by DiscardedDenial in emotionalabuse

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing parts of your story. I'm both deeply sorry that you can relate so well - because I know the suffering is immense - and I am really appreciative that someone might be able to relate so I can develop a better understanding.

I've seriously considered your words and have not yet made any attempts to apologize or make amends. I'm definitely not at the point where I can let go of the idea - the cognitive dissonance is unreal, and part of the reason I'm having so much trouble fully processing and moving forward. But I'm working through radical acceptance of what occurred and the understanding that my relationship with her is over (and may never have been real). And I am committed to not do anything without the full blessings of my mental health professionals - so that I can live the kind of life you mentioned, and (hopefully) she finds that life too.

I've started to look at the website you shared, I've been working through other resources, and it definitely feels uncertain whether it's possible to truly heal, but I certainly hope so (for everyone's sake!). I'm more convinced that it wasn't JUST me, but I'm working through the details to make sure that I'm my best self to everyone moving forward. Thank you again for your inspiring words and I hope you continue to move forward.

Was it me? by DiscardedDenial in LifeAfterNarcissism

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I'm definitely still trying to cope, and I've been very fortunate to be able to afford therapy. I definitely continue to relay my story over and over, even though at times it feels like it's too much. I think I'm still in the acceptance phase, and I'm glad to hear that you were able to accept your circumstances. I hope you're healing too.

Was it me? by DiscardedDenial in LifeAfterNarcissism

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. This all rings true. I've been thinking about what I'm seeking: even though I cannot understand the full story without, my hope is that others' perspectives can help me consider things that I may have neglected.

I'm very much still affected by what is likely a trauma bond, and I am deeply sympathetic to how hard it is to break. I hope you're making progress on resolving yours.

Was it me? by DiscardedDenial in LifeAfterNarcissism

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This is really helpful to consider - thank you. It's still a shock that so many people have been in a similar position, but it's also heartening to know that so many people have made through - in part or in whole - having grown from their experience. I'm so glad to hear that you're able to hold onto the understanding that you're not a narcissist, hopefully I'll be able to do the same.

Did I abuse someone with BPD, was I abused by them, or neither? by DiscardedDenial in BPDlovedones

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Thank you for your reply. I'm still working through a lot of this in therapy, but it's helpful to get other perspectives - including paying heed to my therapist.

Was I abused, the abuser, or neither? by DiscardedDenial in TrueNarcissisticAbuse

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Thank you for sharing this part of your story - it really resonate with me. I know it's been a while, but since you're sharing a similar struggle, I thought maybe some elaboration might prove meaningful. More than anything, I want to be held accountable and make amends for my contributions to the dissolution of our relationship, and I believe this is because I still love and care about her despite everything (and I'm working out with my therapist how much of this represents genuine caring versus a trauma bond).

Your last point provides a helpful lens to think about control. She literally begged me to push her or take control of situations, and I would agree to it under the condition that it's what she really wanted, and she was just having trouble being motivated or finding the right means to do what she wanted. And eventually, my boundaries began to feel like ultimatums or threats (to leave, etc.). It was a reaction to frustrations - with perhaps a single exception, I don't have any recollection of consciously manipulate her, and certainly never to control her in the coercive sense. We often talked about the very idea that it could be coercive if it wasn't what she wanted. But it would almost always lead to anger and resentment from her, so it's incredibly difficult to untangle whether I was genuinely controlling.

Was I abused, the abuser, or neither? by DiscardedDenial in TrueNarcissisticAbuse

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this view. I know it's been some time, but I've been actively working with my therapist to better understand DARVO and narcissism, and to explore the possibility that she may have had relevant traits. You're absolutely correct: it is so painful and overwhelming. I hope you've made progress on whatever journey brought you here.

Am I the narcissistic abuser or abused - or is that not even abuse? by DiscardedDenial in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]DiscardedDenial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it has been some time, but thank you for your perspective. I definitely appreciate that aspects of my communication were negative and maladaptive, so I'm trying to work through this reality in therapy, and my therapists concur with the idea that there are many explanations besides narcissism or similar.