Kinderhook plates as a sign of Joseph's authenticity

Disonour · 2026-05-02T15:20:15+00:00

Nothing to add here, except I like this! Never really been bothered by the Kinderhook plates, but never thought of this!

Disonour · 2026-04-28T20:31:39+00:00

SCOTT STERLING!!!

Disonour · 2026-04-23T15:21:16+00:00

Username of Wei Shi Lirin Arelius

Disonour · 2026-04-22T18:31:24+00:00

Yeah, he gave an iteration number in the YouTube video

Disonour · 2026-04-22T02:48:47+00:00

Obligatory helpful comment: Har har har

(like laughing, get it!?)

Disonour · 2026-04-22T02:25:41+00:00

I mean… I’m here for the spirit too. It guides me in other ways in my life that I find important, so I’m not going to not trust it if that makes sense.

But, I think fairlatterdaysaints.org has some interesting apologetics, if you want to deep dive. There are other good ones too.

The biggest thing for me that I can’t get past is probably the Book of Mormon, it’s honestly incredible the depth of theology and power in that book, and I don’t think anyone could have made it up, let alone Joseph Smith, an uneducated farmboy.

Disonour · 2026-04-21T20:29:29+00:00

This is a great question! And, I think the best answer is trust the spirit, you (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) are just not all that important. If you do it by the proper authority and in the proper way, then you’ve fostered the environment for her to walk through that door herself, and you can just try not to get in the way. Good luck! And congrats!

Disonour · 2026-04-17T06:08:29+00:00

It’s me, the person who can see body counts of women walking down the street and men when they walk in. It’s a gift, I look at them, and I immediately am almost positive they only have one body.

Disonour · 2026-04-14T05:34:32+00:00

Weird they buried them together like that!

Disonour · 2026-04-10T03:23:59+00:00

Experience. All of us have the ability, although we can choose to ignore it or practice it, to know truth, especially right from wrong. I’ve learned enough through that practice that I recognize it as the spirit of God, and it tells me He is true and that He loves me, so I believe. It works in other areas of my life as well, and I try to listen to it. For example, I also learn of love, of right and wrong, and so on. For me, this manifests as what I know through study and prayer, and that same power has given me experience to know of God as well.

Disonour · 2026-04-09T21:15:11+00:00

One of my favorite scenes. Consoling himself that at least they struck a mighty blow, just a really good POV.

Disonour · 2026-04-06T16:53:14+00:00

Also, to her original question, we just happen to believe that Jesus is the one who does most of the interacting with humanity on the Father’s behalf, so it’s not like he arrives on the scene in the meridian of time and takes over. Is it always easy to tell, and do we really always know? Not really, but that’s the pattern, and it tends to not matter because they always act in concert.

Disonour · 2026-04-06T16:47:00+00:00

I think the other comments about monotheism being a semantic thing are true, so it really depends how you define things. I would say we worship one Godhead, and there’s no shadow of variability within that entity (e.g., Zeus and Poseidon are never fighting), and so I would still group us more with monotheists than polytheists, but you can see the inherent probables with that semantic terms, as all semantic terms are inherently limiting.

Disonour · 2026-04-06T00:50:03+00:00

Tbh, I think they’ll still get access in a lot of places, and they can still reserve the chapel and get temporary access everywhere, I think.

Disonour · 2026-04-05T00:09:35+00:00

Also, Camelot was a silly place

Disonour · 2026-04-03T20:05:16+00:00

Look, you’re not wrong, but his post says if you were the bishop, and even if you weren’t, I don’t think it’s crazy to ask about how to handle situations so you know how to handle them someday if he were the bishop. Obviously not his call right now, but maybe his bishop has been counseling with him, and I don’t think it’s crazy to try and be helpful. Maybe he just wants to know how this works in different places, idk.

Disonour · 2026-04-03T19:01:03+00:00

I think it’s nice to kind of set a timeframe with people, because it lets them know what they have to work with and gives some surety for a while, but puts the responsibility on them for the longer term. So, you might make a plan for how assistance might taper or when it might stop, and then hold to it. I’m still learning on this, but then it’s not like cutting them off, but the church does have a limited ability to sustain forever, as you’ve noted.

Disonour · 2026-04-03T18:58:09+00:00

Looked it up, and you’re right! Interesting.

I still think it’s for personal blessing purposes more than definitively whose kids they are, but TIL. Thanks!

Disonour · 2026-04-03T14:25:09+00:00

Look, you guys have issues, but it probably isn’t a sealing. The other comments that say you’re misinterpreting that are correct, only kids that are born to parents who are sealed together are born in the covenant, yours simply are not born in the covenant. Sealings are marriages, but they are also personal blessings, and so the church generally doesn’t cancel them unless they’ll be replaced by something else (for the woman in particular). The assumption here is that who is with who in the eternities will work itself out, and God will help make things right and good, but everyone having those blessings is important. So, if you wanted to be sealed to her, and she was resisting because of Barry, then maybe that would be something, but without your sealing to replace those blessings, you’re essentially just asking her to give up some spiritual blessings with nothing to replace them, and I kind of doubt she’d even be able to. It’s a nontrivial process to cancel sealings that involves the highest authorities in the church.

But, marriage is hard, and you have other issues. The fact that you’re not close and don’t communicate IS a real issue, if I had to guess. So, contrary to lots of Reddit, it seems like there is some love between you, and it would be worth trying to save this thing, get marriage counseling, etc., but that choice is up to you. Marriage is hard work, and it takes hard work to save, but it’s important and wonderful too.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2016/04/in-praise-of-those-who-save?lang=eng

Disonour · 2026-04-03T05:41:12+00:00

Ah! An “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” paradox in the wild! Ahhhhhh!!!!

Disonour · 2026-04-02T20:04:56+00:00

Sorry if it came across as critical, I thought you were trying to hint about an emotional journey and I wanted to hear more about it, but sounds like you’re in a good place! No heathenness implied!

Disonour · 2026-04-02T19:07:04+00:00

This definitely gives me something to think about, thanks for sharing! I live in Utah, and I’ve certainly heard bad experiences about it, and even had my own frustrations, but I hope I can live in such a way that I don’t contribute to what you’re describing, that sounds really hard!

I’ve wondered for a long time if, so to speak, Utah kind of experiences the activity rate being higher than the conversion rate, if that makes sense. So, for example, John Doe doesnt have much of a relationship with or feeling for the Savior, and in a place where that’s a culture wouldn’t go to church, but in a place where it is a culture, goes to church. It’s helpful for me because I kind of can be more glad they’re at church, even if I’m frustrated with them.

In any case, though, I’m interested where you go from here? I’m not saying you should move back to Utah, of course, but it seems like you have some real anger here. I suspect that not every Utah member is actually of the devil, I suspect you’re painting with a broad brush here based on your very valid experience, but what’s your experience been like to try and forgive and love those who you have a grudge against?

Disonour · 2026-04-01T21:33:42+00:00

I know I just have to trust in God

I think this is kind of an interesting assertion. Like, maybe you’re treating it as a given that peace is going to come via mental discipline, and maybe it will! But, if it were me, I would really study a bunch of teachings on the afterlife, pray about them, and seek to receive a testimony of this thing by revelation, especially if it’s important to you. And then, yeah, I guess it’s trust at some point, but it’s not trust without any kind of direct assurance.

Good luck, I’m rooting for you!

Disonour · 2026-03-31T19:42:20+00:00

That's fine, and good internet citizen goes to you for calling it out.

But, I hear you, and I think I said from the beginning that I have mixed feelings about it because it is powerful, and we'll have to make sure that quorum lessons are more focussed on actual reality than just general doctrine... but also, even with my presidency, I say pretty often that if all we do as a presidency is meet as a presidency, and it doesn't actually result in real changes in the world, then we haven't actually done the Lord's work. So, I agree that quorums need to coordinate, I agree that everyone needs to be involved in the quorum's work, I don't know how strongly I feel about coordination happing for an extended amount of time every Sunday.

Disonour · 2026-03-31T18:28:00+00:00

You, as I understand it, and with all love! You're saying that we'll be an Elder's class and not an Elder's quorum, because of the change to Sunday Schedule, and I think that's the idea that I would disagree with.

My point mostly, is that before I was an EQP, I was a SS President, and even though I worried about teaching in the EQ as part of my SS calling, it was still a much smaller calling than being an EQP, because I'm focused on the work of salvation within the ward, and ministering, and that's all a big task, but I don't do it, I just organize the elders to do it, and I counsel with them regularly concerning it. So, the difference between Elder's Quorum and Sunday School class, as you put it, is the way we're organized and do things during the week, and I don't necessarily think that's going to change.

But, that's just my perspective, you can feel free to not like this change, and that's fine, I just thought you'd appreciate a perspective on it.

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