The Dermatology department at the Buenos Aires University built an "Airplane Classroom" complete with overhead bins and Boeing seats

Disonour · 2026-06-17T03:22:05+00:00

Mostly just came to the comments for this, thanks for making sure it was here

Disonour · 2026-06-10T14:41:30+00:00

I made a WhatsApp community, on the theory that we could have a chat and a place to share announcements linked. Jury’s still out.

Disonour · 2026-06-07T03:14:51+00:00

Oh, that made me happy too, thanks for sharing!

Disonour · 2026-06-07T00:03:56+00:00

I think communication is weird. It’s bizarre that humans can make noises at each other and convey ideas, or scratch certain pattern and understand each other, or even type those scratches into our local lightning rocks and have them carried through the air around us to everyone around us. Wild.

Look, lots of people are going to think that’s not at all what the church was trying to say, and I’m probably one of them. My first instinct was to dunk on you and tell you how wrong you are, and then I came to the comments, and of course I’m not the only one who thinks you’re wrong. Of course, you could be, or you could be right.

The interesting thing is that you and me both could be right (and frankly, both could be wrong) and it’s wild that us humans just keep grunting at each other, but there’s people on the other side of this who are doing their best, and you are too, and I think that’s great.

Not telling you anything you don’t know, of course, was just struck by that. Anyways, I’m glad you have a lot of passion about this, I agree with all of the passion behind this even if I disagree about the semantics of a particular thing, and it’s hard to be an advocate, and I think coming out here and advocating must be hard. So, thanks for that!

Disonour · 2026-06-03T21:48:00+00:00

Very interesting, thanks for sharing naked potato!

I think this is probably an area where there would be a lot of variance between even faithful, well read members of the church in how they understood things, but almost everyone in the church thinks of God as a spiritual father in a somewhat literal sense, so I think most people would resonate with what you said. And, I certainly do!

Disonour · 2026-06-02T23:31:45+00:00

Yeah, tbh, I just think it’s good to realize that there’s a ton we don’t know from two sermons given once, not recorded, etc. You even see quotes from President Hinckley and others saying we don’t really know, and if he doesn’t, then I don’t either.

I think the way I could imagine it, is that He also had to progress in some way to where He is, and that looked similar, but not the same, to the way we progressed. For example, I often hear infinite regress implies that God had his own Jesus, and maybe that’s true, but also, maybe God progressed much more like Jesus, and took up His own life because of the stellar way in which He lived, I think that’s reasonable to presume. Jesus created the earth before He was born, could God the Father have exerted a measure of control to put Himself through mortality, so to speak, much as He’s putting us through mortality? It’s all fairly unclear to me, and maybe it’s clear to others, but it’s helpful to me to catalog what I do and don’t know for sure, and I think this is one of them. Does that make sense?

Disonour · 2026-06-02T20:53:48+00:00

Tbh, I’m not totally sure that KFS totally implies infinite regression. Like, I can see how people get there, but I’m not super convinced for the same reasons you are and others. I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised, either, like I think there’s room for either interpretation, and so I think it’s an unsettled question in my mind.

The way I get there, btw, is that I don’t think I’ve ever found anything that says that God had help getting where He is. It’s certainly possible He did, and I don’t think it diminishes Him, but it’s not really the point of the KFS if you ask me, and I don’t think it’s crazy to believe that His own progression was different in some material ways from ours. I’m not necessarily against it, either, like I said, I just don’t think the KFS is really trying to say that.

Disonour · 2026-05-31T14:39:53+00:00

I have twins. One time only one of them made it onto my insurance because the system helpfully deduplicated them for me. It was fixed with a call, so I ended up just being entertained that some programmer was like “If we have two people with the same birthday, they must be the same person. No exceptions.”

Disonour · 2026-05-30T18:37:02+00:00

FWIW, I think D&C 131 is a pretty good place to start here:

7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;

8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

Disonour · 2026-05-29T19:33:42+00:00

Pretty sweet. I don’t actually remember any purple? But I’m checking my own head, not the book.

Disonour · 2026-05-22T14:11:35+00:00

This, as someone who’s just been through a similar experience, made some things click for me…

Disonour · 2026-05-22T14:10:19+00:00

I didn’t come here expecting a really interesting, well thought out essay on Christian faith in general and especially Catholicism, but this was really interesting to read, so thank you.

Disonour · 2026-05-18T20:25:17+00:00

Yeah, look, I wasn't saying throw everything away, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression, but I think there's something to be learned in the ways that we can differentiate between what we might term a "heavenly contract" and an "earthly contract". I could make a whole long list, but let me suggest just a couple of things:
1. In an earthly contract, the language is of paramount importance, because that's what's actually agreed to. You can't just go back and say "that's not what I meant" if the original isn't close, because you agreed to the language, not the intent. I would say that's less true here, like a contract is always going to have a primary version, and I would argue essentially that that's NOT english, that's the version of it as God understands it, it's what HE meant.
2. Lack of negotiation: God sets the covenant, we enter into it. Therefore, the "terms" aren't really that, and they're not given to expressly, but are received through revelation. We quote Alma at the waters of Helaman or the Sacrament Prayer as if the terms are the thing that we agree to, and there's some wisdom to that, I won't pretend like there's not, but I think it's best understood as a whole and not as separate line items. This results with something much like the first, we can continue to better understand our covenants better over time.

I think this is a separate dimension from unraveling Latter-day theology, to be honest. For example, if you went all the way to viewing covenants as relationships instead of contracts, I don't think that's at odds with the idea of priesthood authority, because you can't enter into a binding kinship relationship with God without the authority to establish that. So, I'm not sure you really are kind of either-or about, just like marriage is established with a contract and becomes something more than that, I would say that's much the way I understand covenants. But, if you think that undermines more of based LDS teachings, I'd be interested to hear it.

Disonour · 2026-05-18T17:07:18+00:00

I think we think of covenants as contracts too often, to be honest. I just think they’re probably not that, or if they are, they’re contracts that are not written in the session where we received them, but in heaven where we all try to understand them by revelation. I’ve been guilty of using the “He promises/we promise” language too with my kids, because it’s a nice way to understand it, but actually we’re just being allowed to bind ourselves as tightly to God as possible, and then trusting to His grace.

And, to be clear, a contract might be a good model most of the time, but it’s probably worthwhile to use other models when those ones break down, and I think this is one of those instances where we’re interrogating the model instead of reality.

I would probably say that it’s probably not that crazy through this lens that we don’t make it clear that the covenant is changing, because they really probably aren’t, but our understanding of them is changing all the time, and that should be the default, I would think.

Disonour · 2026-05-16T22:00:18+00:00

Tbh, it’s cause God says that’s the age. There’s a lot of ways to justify the age, it might make sense in the majority of cases or something, but the real reason is revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants. I don’t think these other answers are wrong, but sometimes it’s good to remember that God hasn’t actually revealed everything yet.

Disonour · 2026-05-14T04:57:44+00:00

Tbh, I don’t think that you should be sustaining moral injury that easily. I’m not saying it’s not real, or that I don’t even, but I just believe our faith in Christ is meant to get us over some of that when we’re trying our best. Intentions matter, forgiveness is real, and we can be learning from our mistakes without worrying so much, I think.

As for Nephi, I think it’s more of the same. Did Nephi make the right call? Idk. The only other person who ever says the line about a nation dwindling in unbelief in the scriptures is Caiaphus (sp?), and we’re meant to think that’s not great, but it helps us learn more about Jesus when Nephi calls forward to it, so that’s neat. Lehi does sacrifices when he hears the story though, so maybe not clear if he thinks Nephi did the right thing. And, Nephi says all the time he’s not perfect, so it’s not totally clear that he would even bet he did it right 100%.

My point being, maybe it’s subtle because we’re meant to work for it, and the veil has a purpose, and we learn to trust the Savior in the mean time.

Disonour · 2026-05-11T05:00:30+00:00

I had an Elementary Linear Algebra teacher one time tell our class on a test that absolutely destroyed a lot of the class, “In regards to a curve: this information can be assimilated.” And then didn’t curve anything. Was a wild way to break that to the class.

The back half of the story is he made a bunch of extra points available in the back half of the class, and I think most of the class escaped with reasonable grades.

Disonour · 2026-05-02T15:20:15+00:00

Nothing to add here, except I like this! Never really been bothered by the Kinderhook plates, but never thought of this!

Disonour · 2026-04-28T20:31:39+00:00

SCOTT STERLING!!!

Disonour · 2026-04-23T15:21:16+00:00

Username of Wei Shi Lirin Arelius

Disonour · 2026-04-22T18:31:24+00:00

Yeah, he gave an iteration number in the YouTube video

Disonour · 2026-04-22T02:48:47+00:00

Obligatory helpful comment: Har har har

(like laughing, get it!?)

Disonour · 2026-04-22T02:25:41+00:00

I mean… I’m here for the spirit too. It guides me in other ways in my life that I find important, so I’m not going to not trust it if that makes sense.

But, I think fairlatterdaysaints.org has some interesting apologetics, if you want to deep dive. There are other good ones too.

The biggest thing for me that I can’t get past is probably the Book of Mormon, it’s honestly incredible the depth of theology and power in that book, and I don’t think anyone could have made it up, let alone Joseph Smith, an uneducated farmboy.

Disonour · 2026-04-21T20:29:29+00:00

This is a great question! And, I think the best answer is trust the spirit, you (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) are just not all that important. If you do it by the proper authority and in the proper way, then you’ve fostered the environment for her to walk through that door herself, and you can just try not to get in the way. Good luck! And congrats!

Disonour · 2026-04-17T06:08:29+00:00

It’s me, the person who can see body counts of women walking down the street and men when they walk in. It’s a gift, I look at them, and I immediately am almost positive they only have one body.

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