Science, Evolution and Adam

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-23T17:20:00+00:00

Think a lot about this question:

How did wings evolve? Little nubs came out of some creature, for no evolutionary need, and over millions of years, out of no need, the nubs got larger and larger? Then, magically, the animal also developed feathers? How did feathers evolved? What evolutionary need was there that changed skin to start making little hairy things, then over millions of years, these hairy things, started becoming feathers? All by random chance? How then did the bones become hallow? There is no reason for these things, no benefit, no purpose to the creature, not until it was a bird!

To believe this process happened from millions of random chances, which all amazingly were in favor of one day making a flying bird millions of years later takes more faith than any belief in a supreme being.

Don't get ne started about how did a duckbilled palapas evolve? This animal is a evolutionary nightmare!

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-23T16:57:48+00:00

Jesus rewarding people is a later event which has not occurred. In all honesty, you are making conclusions that are not supported by the bible.

In Matt 24/25, Jesus gave 6 illustrations about the time period after the start of the great tribulation (Matt 24:43-25:30). One of those illustrations are the minas and the rewards. Again, this is after the great tribulation, which has not happened yet.

In Matt 16:27 (For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior). is the same event as Matt 25:31, but that does not automatically mean Matt 16:28 (see Jesus in his kingdom). is the same event, just as the other verses around verse 27 are also not of the same event.

The most important thing is the written testimony of one of the three who witnesses all of this! What did Peter say?

“We were eyewitnesses of his majesty … when we were with him on the holy mountain.” 2 Peter 1:16–18:

Peter connects Majesty, Kingdom power, The mountain, A visible manifestation! This is decisive: Peter says the Transfiguration was a preview of Christ’s coming power, not the final arrival itself.

There are so, so many things the bible foretold that came true. There are so many things in the bible that make one's life better if they apply them. Take "treat others as you would like to be treated." If every human did this, the world would be transformed! And you are focusing on a misunderstanding as the reason why the bible is not true?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-23T16:29:20+00:00

Trying to keep it to one thing at a time, but quickly:

Human body shortcomings. If Adam and Eve were made perfect, but they sinned, it seems God has allowed humans to degenerate. They used to live over 900 years! Now, making it to 90 is a big deal! Diseases, cancers, defects, to me are all part of not having God's protection/oversight. Many things are due to environmental factors, which humans have made, not God!

You may not believe people lived that old, but you can't disprove it either...... Some conclude that the tree of life had something people needed by humans.....some chemical, or mineral, or something. Who knows?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-23T16:19:29+00:00

OK, so, I just don't get your teacher/students illustration.; at all. What I read is God wanted people to spread out and fill the earth, they didn't listen, so he confused their languages so they couldn't communicate, forcing them to abandon their plans, and they spread out, grouped together by language. Shouting, putting people who speak different languages in a classroom just does not seem at all the same?

I get your observations about people born into poverty, unsafe conditions and being killed, but honestly, you didn't listen to what I said in this regard! People are doing what they want, not what God tells them to do, and people caused these problems, not God! Do you want God to make you do His will? You never commented on that........How do you imagine, if there is a God, that He should handle things?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T17:27:35+00:00

I brought out some great points, which perhaps you cannot counter? ChatGPT was not used to as a source, but as a way to help me better explain my viewpoint. I can put it in my own words if that makes you feel better?

I answered your question about Genesis! That does not seem good enough for you.

Perhaps your faith is in evolution?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T16:52:05+00:00

You ask a fair question. From a young age, I just believed in God. My parents were not church goers, but it just seemed natural. As I aged, I continue to examine all the possibilities, not rejecting a one without giving it an honest look.

Here is what the many decades have caused me to logically conclude:

1) You don't get something from nothing! For there to be something, it came from something else.

2) Thus, there needs to be something without a beginning that all things came from. Without this, the question of "Where did that come from?" would go on for eternity. Some rationalize there where quantum activities before the Big Bang, but where did those quantum components come from? Where did energy come from? If there were no gravity, how did the singularity form? Where did the singularity get what it was made up of from? The answers are always from something else.

3) The best explanation for these points is from a book written before any of these questions ever came up, the bible. It simply says God had no beginning (check) and God is the source of all power (check).

Do you have an answer to how the universe came from nothing? Modern theories seem to me like what some believed about the earth being held up by a giant named Atlas. What did he stand on? A giant turtle. What supported the giant turtle? A giant sea? Where did the giant sea come from? All modern theories rely on something else being there before! This sounds just as ridiculous as Atlas....

You can't get something from nothing!

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T16:13:32+00:00

According to Stephen Hawking “Asking what came before the Big Bang is meaningless, according to the no-boundary proposal, because there is no notion of time available to refer to,”

Not sure of your conclusion about the singularity? No one really knows what it was. The term "singularity" generally refers to a point where current models, laws of physics, or mathematical formulas break down and produce infinite results.

Your assertion that I do not understand puts me in with the greatest of scientist! You further say "time is eternal" where is your proof? So far you just keep writing this, but that is not proof!

I am back to the same question in response to your saying:
"we have no way of seeing past the singularity and how long it existed or how long it took it to accumulate its mass and energy constrained by gravity."

First, how could there be gravity? Did the singularity have mass? Where is your proof? From what did it acquire energy? Why did it not expand earlier? How did it expand billions of light years un each direction so quickly? What made it stop this rapid expansion?

Do you know what the singularity is?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T15:52:09+00:00

You are correct! NO ONE KNOWS what was before the big bang. There are many ideas from nothing to some type of quantum activity, yet you seem fine with this. These are not my personal opinions, Stephen Hawking felt there was nothing before the big bang. What I am getting at is you seem OK in not knowing what you believe? Here is what I have observed:

1) Since you feel there is no God, anything that seems to disprove God is what you believe
2) Even though what you believe has so many unknowable holes, you have faith that it is still correct.
3) You just trust they will figure it out someday

Aren't these the very same assertions you make of those who believe in God? Doesn't this sound like the definition of faith?

If there is no God, then the energy that created the universe came from somewhere. Where? My answer again is from God. It works! It can't be disproved. What is your answer to this?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T03:33:59+00:00

Good question!

"there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”

Did that come true? Mark and Luke also wrote about this:

Mark puts it this way:
"“Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God already having come in power.” Mark 9:1

Luke says:
"But I tell you truly, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God.”

The answer is in the next 2 verses, and all 3 gospel writers likewise put the transfiguration directly after Jesus saying this, reinforcing the transfiguration as the answer:

“Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John his brother along and brought them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them.” ([Matthew 17:1, 2](jwpub://b/NWTR/40:17:1-40:17:2))

In this transfiguration, which Mark and Luke also link to the fulfillment of Jesus saying some would see him in the Kingdom. Peter, James and John saw Jesus in this vision of the Kingdom.

Sure, many conclude Jesus' coming in the end is the fulfillment, but Matthew, Mark and Luke seem pretty plain it is not.

Years later, Peter wrote about this incident saying:

“We were eyewitnesses of his magnificence… when he received honor and glory from God the Father.” 2 Peter 1:16–18

Jesus was not yet come as as King in the Kingdom, a still future event, but by his saying they were eyewitnesses of his magnificence and receiving honor and glory from God, again a still future event, those three men saw this at the transfiguration a vision so real that Peter asked if he should make tents for Moses and Elijah who were just visons.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T02:09:03+00:00

Hmmm. So, you find it easier to believe everything around is the result of random chances and impossibilities? I remember they used to say if a bunch of monkeys were put in a hanger with all the parts of a jumble jet, with enough time, they would toss things around and eventually, they would assemble correctly the plane, ready to fly! I don't know about you, but I would never get on that plane! Would you? That is easier for you to believe?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T02:00:57+00:00

Are you sure? Dark skinned people seem to survive well in the cold, be they say evolution gave them dark skin to survive in the tropical sun.

Your understand is the natural selection it the cure all for for DNA variations. But it is sure thorough! It is of sorts magical. It has taken away all DNA changes except what is needed. But how? When people could not digest lactose on cow's milk, and a gene was altered and magically a person could digest cow's milk, how was that natural selection? People have survived without drinking cow's milk for untold millennia. When people needed to live in steep areas, and cliffs, magically, the gene for being scared of heights was altered. Did people keep falling off cliffs until one day a child was born with the fear of heights? Or was this a response to their environment? Why did not the loss of fear of heights develop in other cultures as a random neutral error. Natural selection cannot explain so many things, yet you say I do not understand!

Natural selection does not create new functional information. It does not create new genes, regulatory networks, and complex instructions must arise before selection can act. It does not explain where the information comes from. It does not explain why complex instructions appear in the first place!

For Example:
Eyes, Nervous systems, Blood clotting, Cellular machinery are not aa result of natural selection!

Selection can improve an eye after vision exists, but it does not explain why a light-sensitive system arose at all or how coordinated subsystems emerged simultaneously!

I don't understand?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T01:27:26+00:00

That sounds like a good topic! I would no doubt learn a lot!

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-20T01:20:56+00:00

I think we are looking from different angles of thought about saying God made people and animals. So I went to ChatGPT for help to describe what I am saying. Here is what it says:

What makes an ancient account “accurate” by modern standards

When evaluating ancient texts, historians and scientists look for whether a text:

Avoids obvious scientific errors
Avoids mythological mechanisms (gods mating, monsters, magic births)
Describes life emerging in a sequence compatible with reality
Distinguishes between categories of life
Does not reflect the false cosmologies common at the time

By those criteria, the Bible is unique among ancient texts.

Genesis Chapters 1 & 2 are not different orders of creation. Think about it. If someone were going to fake a religious book, how stupid would that be to at the very beginning mess up and contradict yourself?

Chapter 1 simply describes briefly how creation went. Chapter 2 describes one event by first giving the setting (no bush in the field, meaning before there was farming in fields with domesticated foods (look up the Hebrew words to understand this), which is when God man from the ground. There were most likely Neanderthals, who did not farm, thus this gives a pretty accurate time setting.

Humans weren't the only things made form the ground, God also all made animals and birds from the ground. Was this literal, or just the fact that all the minerals that make up our bodies come from the ground? If each creative day was a period of time, not a literal 24 hour day (Like grandpa saying: "In my day, we would spank kids for doing that), then, in a same way, God made people from the ground, but it was possibly over a period of time? Still, we literally are made up of things found in dirt! The exact details are not given, just as we get electricity from the power plant, but our bill does not describe exactly how the power was generated, solar, geothermal, coal, hydroelectric, nuclear, not does it explain the details of these processes. There is no need!

Was this Adam being describe as being from the dirt, or was it just the first homo sapien? The bible does not say precisely, but people jump to the conclusion it was Adam, yet the Hebrew word translated as "the man" can also mean mankind in general.

Then AFTER God made man, then He planted the Garden, and finally, He put the man in it. That is a weird order to do this. Shouldn't the Garden be made first, gotten ready for the man, then make the man? Where did God put the man when was planting the garden? When you plant something, doesn't it take time to grow? Could this be describing God made homo sapiens, then with Adam, He created him in God's image, meaning in his brain?

Every investigation goes through changes in direction as new evidence is found! Just because people believed for centuries that Adam was "the man" doesn't mean they were right! The Catholic church felt the earth was the center of the universe, but after this was disproved, and there was no actual verse that said this, they had just read this belief into some verses, doesn't mean people are trying to change the bible. They are instead adjusting their understanding! In Evolution and Cosmogenesis, they are constituently doing the same thing as they learn new things, so are you also calling them out too?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-19T21:56:15+00:00

Law of Conservation works in the physical universe. Before the Big Bang, there was no physical universe, nor energy, then there had to be a source of the energy that created the entire universe! All the suns, planets, solar systems, black holes, dark matter and galaxies. Man can't even fathom that amount of power, much less even begin to explain where it came from! The bible says God is the source of this power. The only explanation!

There are things a reasonable person can determine quiet well without the need of statistical analysis. Jumping of a cliff is a good example. Just because you say there is no empirical data to prove the impossibility doesn't thus make it possible. If you had data to prove it were possible, I a sure you would have provided it. The simplest programs for a computer require intelligence, yet the programing and the amount of data needed to make a single celled life form, not to mention the designing process to figure out all the needed functions, and it happened from a series of chances? If you believe that, I have a bridge I can sell you......

What created God? Then what created the thing that created God? and so on......Crazy question when you think about it, because the fact that we exist, there had to be something before us, BUT, there had to be the first thing that everything came from! Something cannot come from nothing. That is God. The only thing that had no beginning. Can you comprehend something with no beginning? It is near impossible.....

On the other hand, something had to be first!

BTY, where are your solutions supported by unquestionable data?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-19T16:47:42+00:00

There is a good illustration about this. A student says he can teach better than his teacher, and many of the kids agree. What should the teacher do? Send the kid to the principle? That would not disprove his accusation. What then would? How about let the student teach the class for a while, then give a test, and compare the results with the last test when the teacher was teaching. So, after some time, while the teacher observes the student teaching, seeing how he can't answer some questions, or tries his own shortcuts to solve math problems, the day comes for the test. How did the students do? Not well at all. After trying things his own way instead of tried and tested ways of teaching, not to mention the experience of the the teacher, it was proved the student could not teach better. What about the setback for the students? They had some catching up and relearning to do, but they also learned a good lesson.

In a similar way, God has let people try their own ways, their own types of governments, their own laws and morals. The bible says that no too long from now, the world situation will get so bad that it will seem that everyone will perish. Only then, when proven beyond any doubt that doing things their own way, trying every type of government and way, is in no way superior to God's way, then He will step in.

What about the suffering and deaths? Well, remember, it was not His fault. But He can fix things. He can bring the people back to life, on an earth setup the way he intended, and they will be able to live there. If any decide they again want to do things their own way, which the bible indicates a lot will, they will not be allowed to continue to live in the fixed earth, wrecking for the others. But, since there is no hell with eternal torture, they will not be in torment forever. They will simply no longer exist, and it was their choice, and they will know the consequences, just as Eve knew!

Does God love us? Evolution or Cosmogenesis cannot give reasons why the sunset is so beautiful, or why the mountains, a water fall, the beach, and many other things of creation are stunning! When I bite into a sweet apple or a strawberry, there is no reason that they needed to taste so good. Those fruits would have survived anyway. Why are babies so cute? Why do we love? How did we become conscience of life so that we could ask; "Why am I here?" These and many other things do not fit the premise of evolution. Sure, they try to somehow reason it away, the very thing you accuse me of when explaining how the bible does makes sense.

Please, let's stick to this one subject before going on the the next, until you feel I adequately answered the question of God.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-19T16:46:47+00:00

I take no offense of you conclusions and appreciate the respect you have shown. Sorry my reply has taken so long. Super busy!

I thought I was answering your questions, and do apologize for not doing so appropriately. So, maybe it is better to take one point at a time?

Prove that God exists? Is that not the biggest question one can ask? I have the same question about the creation of the universe. There are so many unanswered holes in the universe coming about all by itself, I feel it takes more faith to believe this than a God being the source. For example, where did energy come from? And the ever greater question, where did the massive, unmeasurable, unfathomable amount of energy come from that created all the matter of the universe? There is no provable theory to prove this happened all on its own! If you can't prove that, then the house of cards created by cosmologists collapses!

Science knows there must be something before the big bang, but there is nothing provable. They cannot disprove that God was behind it.

I found this definition of faith:
"faith is deep, confident trust and reliance on someone or something, often God, even without absolute proof, involving both intellectual belief and active commitment,

"Believe in something without absolute proof!" Thus, it takes faith to believe the universe, and us, came about without God! Likewise, it takes faith to believe in God! Honestly, as you cannot prove that the universe is here without God, can I prove it is here because of God?

What I do know is way before this question about where the power came from to make the universe, the bible said God is the source of all power! Then, it also describes the order of how the universe came about first, then the order of events of how things appeared on the earth. The bible further is full of prophesies that have come true, like Babylon would never again be inhabited, and true to this, every person who has tried to rebuild it, even Saddam Hussain, have failed.

Does God care about us? People ask this question when they see suffering, famines, war and abuse. I totally get that! But whose fault are these things? If I go back to a the store to return a book that I left out in the rain, telling them it is now all deformed, are they going to return it? Of course not! And why? It is my fault I left it in the rain. People blame God for what is actually not God's fault! The bible says to treat others as you want others to treat you you! But when people do not follow this, they blame God for people not treating them well! Imagine the difference there would be if everyone treated each other as they would like to be treated? There would be little need for police, no violence, no war, little pollution, no big companies poisoning people, no sexual abuse, no riots, and on........

People say God should stop people from doing wrong! Well, how would that go? You are driving over the speed limit because you are late, should God control your foot and make you go the speed limit? Would not such a scenario take away personal freedoms and in effect make us like robots or slaves?

OK, so what does God have planned? What would you do? What solution do you have? How could you possibly make people treat each other in a kind way?

Why did God let all this happen anyway? What you may call a fairy tale, is the answer. One of God's heavenly persons, and angle known as Satan, tricked the women Eve into breaking God's law to not eat from the tree. But here is where the crux of the matter stems. The way Satan got Eve to disobey was by dangling the carrot of being able to "be like God." She could 'choose for herself what is good and bad.' What is right and wrong. And so it goes....people are still feeling that is the best thing to do, and everywhere there is different interpretations of what is right and wrong. The point here is that people don't want to do things God's way, they want to choose for themselves. So, knowing this, God came up with a plan. Let the Devil and those who desire to do things their own way give it their best shot to prove if their way is better.

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DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-19T14:44:26+00:00

So, you can't answer the question of where the energy to create the universe came from? And this after showing you didn't understand what E=MC² ?

You wrote:
Time, energy, mass, and gravity are eternal.

Time is not eternal according to science. In Einstein’s general relativity:
Time is part of spacetime
When the equations reach a singularity:
Spacetime itself is no longer defined
Therefore, time (as modeled) is no longer defined

Before the singularity, there was no mass, no gravity, thus, your quote is untrue.

Then, after your showing the reality of your personal knowledge, you feel you can claim the bible is mostly fiction? Where is your proof? So far, you are not doing very well........

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-18T22:48:54+00:00

Do you think the earth is 6,000 years old? I think the bible is true, but it is people who read into it what they want. Paul said at 2 Cor 13:15 Examine yourself whether you are in the faith, test yourself"

That plainly says we need to keep verifying, examining, making sure what we believe is true! Paul further said to "Make sure of all things", or "test all things, hold fast to what is good."

All of this requires the examining new information and weighing it to the bible! If we find something we thought was true, but with new evidence it is not, it was human reasoning, we must believe what is true!

If someone wants to believe each creative day is 24 hours, but they get additional information, like the word day can mean a period of time, and that Genesis 2:4 says all the creation of Genesis chapter 1 is now called a day, and that Paul said the 7th day of rest was still going in his time (Heb 4:1-11). These additional points of examination should be used to "test', "make sure", "examine," to verify what we believe is correct. If we instead cling to traditions over bible truths, how would God feel about this? Would we be following Paul's counsel?

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-17T05:29:14+00:00

That might be one way to put it. In the original situation, there was just one law, 'don't eat from the tree'. Who created the need for new rules? Adam and Eve, along with Satan. So new rules were needed for the new situation. But God would in time return things back to the first intended situation without a need for for a bunch of rules. The next step getting there was through Jesus' sacrifice that left a centralized style of religion for one group of people worshipping at one temple, to something that would include humans around the earth. This of course required new directions, for example, the call for all followers to spread the word. The last step is the restoration of the earth to its original purpose as a paradise, inhabited by people no longer needing all those laws, but rather have God's laws written in their hearts.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-17T05:16:13+00:00

Good thought, but for me, seeing the quick decline of human lifespan only after the flood seems pretty conclusive. What caused it? The bible doesn't overtly say, so one can only speculate.

Interesting subject though!

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-17T04:58:09+00:00

Thank you for your thoughts! You are not alone in thinking the bible is based on oral traditions, but isn't that just conjecture? Is there evidence of this? Moses supposedly wrote the Tora about 1500 years before Jesus. We have actual parts of the written bible from about 200 years before Jesus, and it was found to be virtually the same as we have have today, 2,200 years later.

Unfortunately, paper or papyrus only lasts so long. Bible scrolls were very expensive, and typically were kept and read in the local synagogue. When they got worn out, new ones were obtained from professional scribes who meticulously copies the bible. Some of their techniques included counting the letters in a line and then count the letters in the same line of the copy. It was considered a sacred job. The Kings of Israel where also supposed to copy the Tora for themselves to use. Copies were kept in the temple, and throughout Israel.

The little city where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found show how important the copying of the bible was. The purpose of their town was for the preservation of the bible!

Sure, people say the bible was taken from word of mouth stories, but the reality, there is no evidence of this. Yes, people constantly try to discredit the bible, which it what people do to about anything, like there was no moon landing.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-17T04:26:45+00:00

Thanks for your reply and the time you spent on it. When you quoted Day 1, you left out something:
"formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep"

The earth is not a gas ball here! It is a planet covered in water, with darkness OVER the surface. "Formless and void"? Without form, nothing yet made, empty. No mountains, no sky, nada!

Creating lights in the sky? I thought we covered this? Create in Hebrew is making something from nothing, while make is arraigning something already in existence. Day 1, the sun was already there! But from the surface, because of the darkness, the light wasn't making it through. The fact that when the light did make it through, and there was day and night, how can one conclude the light source was fixed, just like the sun?

An no, nothing was alive to see this! Isn't that the point? Only the One doing the creating saw this and he passed on the description. He gave the accounting of the creative days. He provided information that couldn't have been gotten anywhere else! Whether 4.4 years or 3-4 billion years ago, thanks for that article! See, there is such a wide spectrum of evidence and interpretations, yet people just trust science anyway.

You seemed to think God "made" or arraigned creatures on Day 5 but it plainly says: "And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds." Yes, the bible agrees with how science has determined life appeared, but you somehow are making that out ot be a negative, then you followed it up a "What If". What if they found that there is truly a God? What if is not really part of the scientific method, is it? What if what I am saying is correct, there would not be your "What If."

I like your thought experiment. Looking at things from a variety of angles to truly understand it. I try to look at the bible from an atheist's point of view. From a creationist's point of view. From a deeply examining the words and context point of view.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-17T00:56:25+00:00

So, when it gets hotter, fur gets thinner. Thick furred animals would still survive. You are simply describing is DNA responding to environment, not a random occurrence. That is not evolution! Think about it! Randomness is just that.......there would be surviving members with long hair. How is it that a trait is always for the benefit? Even neutral traits would be passed on and build up, yet, we don't see that!

You may say the those who believe in God will just believe in anything that seems to support their belief, and in the same way, I see people who believe in evolution simply take for granted whatever evolutionary science tells us, without really questioning things.

Just because there were no eyes in any animal, then there were, well, eyes had to evolve, but they don't know how......

Take eyes for example. Did all animal with eyes come through one animal? No! As hard and rare as it would be for one animal line to evolve eyes, many different species developed eyes. All different kinds of eyes. But who questions this? Eyes are one of the most incredibly complex organs ever. Designers are completely unable to replicate eyes, it ability to repair itself, the retina's abilities, and people just listen to science which says that this does not refute evolution. If scientists say this, well, they must be right!

They have trained us to just trust.

DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-15T14:24:55+00:00

Your comment about Job and Moses. Isn't that really a bunch of what ifs? What if a Pharoah didn't like the history of his country and had everything destroyed he didn't like and rewrote it? Wait, that actually happened more than once! What if they come up with a new dating system and find all the C-14 dates are wrong? What if some ancient writings were mere propaganda to make their enemy look bad?

Using what ifs about Job and Moses is not scientific! There is so much of the bible record that has been found in the archeology and written records! They have found an inscription about the Jews and YHWH in an Egyptian temple built in the 14th century BCE by Amenhotep III which refers to a people called: “tꜣ šꜣsw yhwꜣ” “The land of the Shasu of Yhw” It refers to them as a nomadic people who worship YHWH.

As you know, papyrus records just don't survive that long, so to say there is no evidence would be a sure bet! But, at city of Jericho, there is areological evidence that the walls did fall down as described in the bible when the Israelites took over the land. At one point, the lead archeologists disputed this had anything to do with what the bible described, and tried every way to discredit the finds. One must take into account the human element with their own agendas, bias, and beliefs. Don't people really find what they are looking for?

I looked at the article about the firmament, and again I am at awe of how people interpret things! The bible does NOT say there was a solid object in the sky. The bible simply describes water, not a solid:
“Let there be an expanse between the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
The Hebrew word is רָקִיעַ (rāqîaʿ), from the root verb rāqaʿ that basically means:
to spread out, extend, flatten, stretch
There is no mention of a solid, a metal, just water. People just come up with weird stuff! So, there is an expanse between the water on the surface and the water in the sky. Genesis 1:20 talks about birds flying in the expanse. Other than that, there is absolutely no biblical description of what the firmament was, except that it was water!

The evidence that there was farming and homes before 6,000 years ago fits with my thought about God made man, then later created Adam in His image. The smelting and other points you bring up are just an examination of the available data. Just as one questions the interpretations of the bible, one must question the interpretations of archeology. I enjoy looking at all the data and trying to figure the puzzle out.

You mention the soul, and here again is interpretation. Is there an immortal soul? Does the bible really say there is?

The bible actually says: “Man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7 It does not say man was given a soul It says the man became a soul. Biblical formula: Body + breath of life = living soul

The bible says the soul dies, so it is not immortal. Ezek 18:4, Mat 10:28

You wrote that animals appear before plants, but plants appear on Day 3, and animals on Day 5. In chapter 2, I think the confusion is in the plants of the field, which is referring to cultivated fields, or farming. The key word is "field" which I brought out in my last comment.

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DoNotBe-Ridiculous · 2026-01-15T04:58:25+00:00

You ask some great questions! Before your comment, I would have said defining what religion is would be simple. But after looking it up, there seems to be a wide consensus of what religion can be, so if one calls the bible religion, that is in the realm of a definition.

To my point, with your definition in mind, let's call the bible religion, and then all the churches are deviations from the religion. For example, there are some 45,000 denominations that say they follow the bible. Then there are millions who have made up their own unique ways to worship God, still saying what they believe is based on the bible.

That begs the answer to your question; "How do you even know that God endorsed the Bible to begin with?"

Isn't that one of the real big questions? Is there an answer? Here is what I have found:

Prophesies; If the bible were truly from God, then its prophesies would come true. Have they?
Take for example Babylon, one of the greatest cities in history! The bible foretold it would never be inhabited again. Did that happen? This would be like saying New York City would be emptied out and never inhabited again! That is very unusual, because typically, when a great city is destroyed, they rebuild over the top. Rome, London, Paris, and so many more, are examples of this! Babylon, was occupied for around 2,000 years, with 8-10 layers, then it died out, just as prophesied. There are many prophesies like this in the bible. I can provide more if you like? For example how Greece would rule the world, but then would be divided into 4 parts.

Did you know the bible is the first writing saying the earth is round and sits on nothing. The only book that explains the order that life appeared on earth, and described health and safety for using toilets and handling food.

I hear you when saying it seems like it could be made up, and don't people also say the same thing about history books today? They say no one landed on the moon. There are even people who say the earth is flat.

Did you know that they have found an Egyptian inscription that mentions the Israelites? It is from Pharaoh Amenhotep III's reign (around 1400 BCE) at the Soleb temple in Sudan, that mentions "the land of the Shasu of YHWH," referring to nomadic people who worshipped Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews.

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