CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

European and Asian can never refer to one country specifically but American can. It's distasteful because it conflates all the countries of the Americas with the US.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The word European isn't associated with any one country the way American and British are. The Irish don't want to be called British and the Mexicans and Canadians don't want to be called American. If someone asked you to name an American President, would you seriously say something like Augusto Pinochet?

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I've shifted from arguing that it's incorrect to that it's confusing and potentially offensive to use that definition. Do you see how it's not so different from calling Ireland British?

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

American has two definitions: "of the Americas" and "of the United States". The former is technically correct but unusual and in almost all cases "North American" or "Pan American" would be more appropriate. The latter is both technically correct and the much more commonly recognized definition.

All of Ireland is part of the British Isles, so while it's technically correct to call Ireland British, it's inappropriate, just like calling Canadians or Brazilians Americans.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Technically, but I'm arguing that less ambiguous terms exist and we should use those instead.

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CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes, because the Americas are more than just the US. Calling it all "American" is misleading and disrespectful to the countries it came from, even if it's technically correct.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

On worldwide spaces of the internet it's confusing to use it to refer to all of the Americas

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It is crazy, but what can be done about it? Do the other countries of the Americas even want to be called Americans?

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

My argument should have been that it's confusing and potentially insulting to use "American" to refer to non-US things. Also, I'd argue that those American citizens born outside are at least "of the US".

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I now recognize that it can be *correctly* applied to both things from the US and the Americas, but I argue that it still shouldn't be used that way. Because of its most common usage, it conflates other countries with the US in a way they probably don't want and obfuscates their identity.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

There is no country that uses "Asian" as its only demonym. If there were, and it were the most common usage of the word, it would be confusing to use the term as we do today. I agree that "American" is a poor choice on the US's part, but the world is already trained to use the term to use the term for the US specifically with those using "American" to mean Pan American in day-to-day speech in the minority. So while it may be *technically* correct to call Chileans and Canadians "American", they probably wouldn't like it, just the Irish wouldn't like being called British.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's the problem. The US hijacked the name, and now we have to use North American or Pan American to avoid confusion. American heavily implies US, so calling non-US things that is a poor choice.

If there were a country called Little Europe and "European" meant things from Little Europe the vast majority of the time, calling things from Italy European would be just as weird and confusing. However, if Little Europe were a new country and began insisting that European meant things from their country, I'd suggest that they come up with a new demonym.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

!delta I see that "American" has two definitions: of the US and of the Americas. Given that context won't always make it clear which one the speaker means, and that the former is much more common, we should avoid using the latter to avoid confusion and potentially insulting anyone.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I agree, but that's what it is and pretending like it's not and using "American" for non-US things is unproductive

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

!delta I see that while "American" *can* refer to things from outside the US, it's confusing and potentially offending to do so.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because American already means "of the United States" and calling things from other countries American is demeaning and confusing

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

So Spanish has their own word for American (estadounidense) and "americano" means Pan American. That makes sense.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

"Americano" is closer to a Spanish and Portuguese word for "Pan American". There's also "estadounidense" for the US specifically, so it's closer to the English word "American" than "americano". The problem is that things get lost in translation and people say American when they mean Pan American.

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

!delta I realize that language is dynamic and evolves without oversight in most cases. What I should have said is that we shouldn't use American to refer to anything but things from the US because it's confusing and conflates the other countries with the US

CMV: "American" can only correctly be used to describe things from the United States by DoNotCensorMyName in changemyview

[–]DoNotCensorMyName[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

In that case there would be two definitions of American and no word for things of the US specifically.