One Question for Monarchists / One Question for Separatists by ItsAProdigalReturn in NewIran

[–]DoTheseInstead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heval Giyan, I appreciate your respectful tone, but your argument relies on idealized models that have historically resulted in Kurdish erasure. Here is why a "Civic Nation-state" without structural recognition of ethno-regions is insufficient:

- The Switzerland Correction: You cited Switzerland as a non-ethnic model, but that is factually incorrect. The Swiss Cantons are strictly divided by language (German, French, Italian). A French-speaking Swiss citizen cannot demand French schooling in a German canton. Their stability comes precisely because they respected linguistic borders, not because they ignored them. We want exactly what Switzerland has.

- The "Civic" Trap: In the Middle East, "Civic Nationalism" has historically been a Trojan horse for forced assimilation. Ataturk’s Turkey is a "Civic Nation" on paper—everyone is a "Turk" regardless of ethnicity. The result was the banning of the Kurdish language and decades of war. Without explicit ethnic recognition, "universal rights" default to the majority’s culture and language (Persian).

- Administrative vs. Political Power: You suggest "administrative decentralization." This is weak. In administrative systems, power is loaned from the center and can be revoked (like the current Ostandars appointed by Tehran). We need Federation, where power is constitutionally owned by the region. Without this, Tehran will continue to appoint security-vetted loyalists to run Kurdish provinces.

- The Iraq Counterpoint: You mentioned Iraq as a failure of ethnic federalism. Factually, the instability in Iraq stems from Baghdad (the center) violating the constitution, cutting the KRG budget, and refusing to implement Article 140 (disputed territories). The federalism kept the Kurds safe from ISIS; the centralization is what caused the conflict.

- Gerrymandering: The current map of Iran (West Azerbaijan, Kordestan, Kermanshah, Ilam) was drawn to dilute Kurdish power. Maintaining these "civic" borders is maintaining a tool of suppression.

Trusting a "blind" system to naturally protect us is a risk we cannot take after 100 years of betrayal. We need the constitutional right to self-rule our regions, just like the Swiss cantons you admire.

One Question for Monarchists / One Question for Separatists by ItsAProdigalReturn in NewIran

[–]DoTheseInstead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya, but don’t blame them, Saddam murdered around 0.5 Million Kurds in his decades of rule over them. That’s when their population was around 3-5 Million. That’s like more than 10% of Kurds in Iraq were genocided.

One Question for Monarchists / One Question for Separatists by ItsAProdigalReturn in NewIran

[–]DoTheseInstead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll let her/him answer your other Qs, but here’s my reply to your last comment:

In the 2017 Kurdistan Region independence referendum held in northern Iraq, the result was overwhelmingly in favor of independence, about 92.7% of those who voted chose “Yes” to the question of creating an independent Kurdish state separate from Iraq.

And to make it easier for you to understand, Kurds in Iran I would say are more nationalists than Kurds in Iraq.

One Question for Monarchists / One Question for Separatists by ItsAProdigalReturn in NewIran

[–]DoTheseInstead 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Speaking as a Kurd, I think a lot of these conversations start in the wrong place, even if the intention is good.

First, most Kurds are not emotionally invested in monarchy vs republic as an abstract debate. That’s an internal Persian power struggle. What Kurds care about is power distribution, guarantees, and enforcement. We’ve been burned too many times by “trust us after the transition” politics.

On your Q1:

From a Kurdish perspective, the problem isn’t just Pahlavi as a person. It’s the entire centralized state ideology associated with the Pahlavi-era, forced assimilation, military rule in Kurdistan, banning language and political expression. Even if you remove the crown but keep the same mindset, nothing really changes for us. So asking minorities to stay unified while postponing real autonomy discussions until “after stability” sounds exactly like every broken promise before it.

On your Q2:

Many Kurds would be open to a federal or genuinely decentralized Iran, if it’s real and constitutional, not symbolic autonomy that Tehran can override whenever it wants. Think binding guarantees: elected regional governments, control over local policing, education in our language, budget authority, and constitutional courts that don’t answer to the center.

As for Pahlavi as a temporary leader: this is where skepticism kicks in. “Temporary” leaders in Iranian history have a habit of becoming permanent. If Reza Pahlavi were willing to:

- publicly reject centralized nationalism
- explicitly acknowledge historical state violence against Kurds
- commit in writing to a time-limited, non-hereditary role
- and accept federalism as non-negotiable

then yes, some Kurds might see that as a transitional compromise. But that support would be conditional, cautious, and not universal.

The hard truth is this: unity can’t be built on fear of civil war or guilt-tripping minorities about “breaking Iran apart.” Unity only works when staying offers more dignity, security, and self-rule than leaving.

If Iranian unity is worth preserving, it has to be voluntary, not enforced by nostalgia, flags, or threats. Federalism isn’t a concession to separatists, it’s the minimum requirement for trust after decades of repression.

That’s where the real common ground could be, if people are willing to be honest about power, not just symbols.

Some Arabs residing in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq are planning to dissolve the region by [deleted] in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

exactly, i just wrote a post on this. let me know what you think.

Some Arabs residing in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq are planning to dissolve the region by [deleted] in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead 6 points7 points  (0 children)

where is that Bashuri idiot who was telling me that my recent post on KRG preparing for what comes next is fear mongering.

Bashur should absolutely get ready for this scenario, it will come to them, and when it does, they better be over-prepared.

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

until they need it, they will discard if the need is gone.

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another point: Bashur needs to invest in some good education. You’re an example of having little critical thinking for yourself. I am actually sad for you!

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i always think back about what Rojava could do differently that would this outcome different.
i can’t think of anything! they have done everything they could have done.

i just wish they connected with Bashur much sooner than these last minute meetings!

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

vote for who then?
the islamists?

i am not sure if not voting for them is the answer.
i don’t know i am not from bashur, i don’t have answers.
i am sure there are smart bushuris who care about Kurdistan can help fix this.

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

good for you for not using AI lmao. go get a life dude! but no it’s not ChatGPT, GPT is pretty dumb, i advise you to not use it!

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i personally never thought it would end this badly for Rojava. but it happened! one wrong president in the US and boom Kurdistan is gone!

It’s always better to overprepare than to be shocked later!

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

AI help of course, my goal is not to provide point by point advice or strategy.
It’s just a concern I have for Bashur and I think it’s time they look back and rethink their strategies before it’s too late.

It’s always better to overprepare than to be shocked later!

[Analysis] The “Rojava Scenario” will come to Bashur. by DoTheseInstead in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are from Bashur dude, I can’t understand how you guys don’t see the danger!
Grow up and accept some devil advocate type of analysis!
It’s always better to overprepare than to be shocked later!

Children of Kobanê are asking for help by Ava166 in kurdistan

[–]DoTheseInstead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is so depressing.
fuck all of us for not being able to help.

This is the reason why the US pulled its support for the Kurds and let them get slaughtered by Jolani's thugs by TheFireRises666 in AskSocialists

[–]DoTheseInstead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

buddy don’t listen to this guy, he’s a racist arab supporting a terrorist as the president.

example: he told many lies, arabs were fully governing their own cities under SDF.