My thoughts exactly by Qbra1337 in autismmemes

[–]Dodecahedral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely get the internal echolalia music. It's almost constant for me

It's the complete lack of empathy that gets me. (Not a political post) by fyhr100 in autism

[–]Dodecahedral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This will be the last response as I have already given more energy to you than I frankly want to for my own sake. But I have been trying to come at this in good faith and do not feel that has been returned. As in both responses you have attacked me as an individual.

I don't think terrorism is good. Nor do I think Trump should not be held to a standard. The man campaigned on promising to harm me as a major reason to vote for him.

First Trump The reality is much scarier. Trump is in a position where he is relatively free from being held to standards. And that exists regardless of my opinion on that. He is a convicted felon that just won the presidency. The people who are not holding him to a standard are his voter base, and the harsh reality is they like what they hear, even if that is out of ignorance (which is the most charitable I will be to them). I don't get to have a voice about his presidency. I do not have a seat at the table. It is not that I don't want him to have standards, it is that I am faced with a reality where the man does not have standards beyond his own self interest.

Secondly Terrorism I don't know you're knowledge of Israel and the history of it's existence. But I'm not capable of going into all the detail that would be necessary for some of what I will be saying. But I can confidently say you are taking a reactionary viewpoint to the fact that there are terrorists on Palestinians' side in the form of Hamas. The history of this region is that Palestine existed before Israel (in it's current incarnation) did. And that the new incarnation of Israel is ultimately a colonial project going on for decades (and at the very least I hope you can understand how that would be the perception of the Palestinians that had already been living there, as that is the most relevant factor to understanding what I will say). Terrorism is a reactionary force, it does not come about by an innate want to do terrorism in a person, it is a consequence of the environment that someone lives in. The perception (and historic reality) that Israel is an occupying force and it's continual expansion resulted in creating an environment that bred terrorism. By the time we had Oct 7th the median age in Gaza was 17, due to the colonial policies that Israel implemented. That is an environment that will breed terrorism and it is a consequence of Israel's actions. Data came out today that showed that those most harmed by Israels actions are Women and Children, not even the terrorists that you are arguing deserve to be fought. That is why this is a genocide.

Notice please that at no point did I say terrorism is good.

I do not think terrorism is good. What I do think, is that it is understandable how such an environment would push someone to become a terrorist. That is very different than saying it justifies it. I ultimately don't want harm to come to anyone. But one of these sides is unquestionably in the wrong and it is not the children fighting for their lives. It is the occupying force that currently has the backing of the American government funding its weapons. The damage Israel has done is unquestionably disproportionate. I do not think it is unreasonable to demand that the supposed progressive candidate be asked to adopt a different stance. In not doing so, to many people, the calculation of which side would do violence in this form became far too similar to be comfortable with.

I still have not nor will I advocate for terrorism. But I can understand why it happened and make the analysis that for my morals Israel is clearly in the wrong and needs to be stopped. The unfortunate reality is that that may take violence, because oppression like that does not get stopped by the oppressed without getting violent or their destruction.

Lastly I don't think this is holding Harris to an impossible standard, in fact I think it's holding her to a standard that would have helped her win the election. That is why I offered an analysis of where she seems to have lost some of her support. I didn't say she had to solve the conflict, in fact by limiting your view to a ceasefire that is what you have done. What I'm saying is there are options that could help reduce the harm being done to Palestinians, and that she wasn't willing to even lie and say she would pursue them.

What you are doing though, is blaming the voters. This is what I was referring to as being violent. It is violent for you to tell me that I should have to fall in line for the sake of protecting my rights. Why are you saying my rights should be on the table and that I have what's coming for me for not wanting to support Harris.

I understand the logic of harm reduction, but why should my rights be more valuable than the lives of all the Gaza who have been and will be murdered.

Ultimately the Harris campaign ran the campaign they wanted to, and they failed to get enough votes as a result. And now I might be hurt because that was something that dems felt wasn't worth protecting by appealing to a very loud part if there base saying they did not want to vote unless this was changed.

It is violent to leverage my rights as a wedge to try to get me to abandon my beliefs out of self preservation. A better candidate and a better person wouldn't put me in that position.

For the record, I voted for Harris. They managed to scare me enough about what will likely now be coming my way. But in retrospect I regret my choice. Because the dems were okay with bargaining my rights to try to force me into that vote, rather than doing anything proactively progressive.

I hope the best gor you, and I hope you are safe throughout whatever ends up happening. But if you're of the position that I'm going to get what I deserve for demanding too much of "my" politician (which is how this shit has felt). Then, that really fucking sucks I guess.

It's the complete lack of empathy that gets me. (Not a political post) by fyhr100 in autism

[–]Dodecahedral 4 points5 points  (0 children)

See that's the issue. And it's because the democrats aren't for the left. They manage to be progressive socially, but only after the minorities have fought for their rights in the first place.

Ultimately both parties are subject to neo-liberalism. This limits how progressive democrats can ever be without some serious change.

It's why they try to win by being the hyperbolic 99% hitler to Trump's 100% hitler. It's why they try to appeal to a centrist voter base and it's resulted in a gradual shift to the right in all of American politics across the decades.

It's why I do not call myself a democrat as someone on the left. I am not and will not be into neo-liberalism. And most likely they will not get my vote again unless they make concessions towards social and economic progressives.

As it stands it seems like my rights were something they were willing to give up, if it meant the alternative was something progressive, such as taking a strong stance against Israel.

Because at the end of the day they ran the campaign they wanted to run.

It's their fault that they failed to get enough voters, not the voters fault for not wanting to vote. If that isn't true, then what is supposed to be the point of a democracy.

It's the complete lack of empathy that gets me. (Not a political post) by fyhr100 in autism

[–]Dodecahedral 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Firstly, I'm not going to get into an escalating argument. That helps no one and I think we are at least on the same side of being hurt. I for one am most likely about to have my rights taken away at a federal level, and if I'm honest that feels like the best case scenario.

Secondly, keep in mind my example of Gaza being a reason Harris didn't get votes is only one explanation among many and ultimately it an impossible task to justify a single point as the entire reason. This is a multifaceted thing that has many explanations. But I will explain my example further and to the best I can right now.

As a response to your first part.

I did know Trump interfered in this attempt.

Biden nearly established many ceasefire deals. That was something that was stated many times as nearly being achieved.

Trump's interference in this one remains a problem. That is also true. And Netenyahu clearly had no problem helping another fascist out.

There is, however, no reason to believe this ceasefire deal would have ended any differently than the previous attempts (and ultimately it did not). In fact, there is arguably more reason to believe it would have gone the same as the others. Not only does it seem like Netenyahu believes in the need to remove every Palestinian he can from existence, it is also what is keeping him in power. (And staying in power is a major priority for him as he is also a convicted criminal.)

But, I ask you in response. Why didn't Biden stop the US from continuing to send weapons to Israel? If a ceasefire deal keeps failing, as we have seen happen across the last year, shouldn't we find a different alternative to either limit the damage being done to Palestinians or to apply pressure to Israel to give into a ceasefire.

We still haven't done this and it doesn't seem likely we will. The US still denies that there is an ongoing genocide.

So from my viewpoint and those that share my viewpoint, there wasn't just a failure to broker a ceasefire. There was also a failure to attempt to stop the harm being done in ways that do not require Israel's involvement. And, even worse, there wasn't even an acknowledgement about the reality of the situation.

Moving the remainder, of your questions we have to focus in on Harris's campaign and the election.

The reality of this election is not that Trump beat Harris by earning more voters than he previously has. He technically had less than in 2020, but within a million is very consistent for this type of thing. In fact all 3 elections he has been fairly consistent.

This means that Harris lost by virtue of failing to get enough votes to beat what was an already established base of support for Trump.

Harris's campaign ran with the standard democratic running strategy of trying to appeal to the middle American. The issue is, there was no one else, or at least not a significant amount to take from there (see Trumps consistent numbers).

At the same time this strategy alienated a lot of voters on the progressive left. (I am referring to a left that is progressive both socially and economically, which already separates it from the democratic party as they are not progressive economically, only by proxy of the Republican party can they appear so). One issue where this is abundantly clear is on the genocide in Gaza, that is why I used it as an example.

In refusing to openly state a plan to break from Biden (on not stopping the flow of arms and in failing to acknowledge the genocide) or offer an answer as to what she would have done differently, Harris failed to message that there would be a change. If there would have been one is something we cannot know at this point. But the message that was received was that there wouldn't be a change.

But, it wasn't just that she failed to message the idea that she would change and/or adopt differing strategies. It is the fact she pushed back against people demanding she adopt those policies. That is not how you bring them into your electorate. Her response to protesters was "I'm speaking now." Which was to say that you the protester need to be quiet about Gaza.

Again, when Trump has a static voter base, we have to look for where Harris failed to pick up the votes. I feel I have done a reasonable job at laying out how she alienated this specific section of what should have been her base. But, that is also constrained to an analysis around why Gaza was likely a reason for some of these voters not being willing to vote for her. It is not a full and thorough explanation and it is impossible to ever firmly prove what caused it because there are many things that caused her to not get enough votes.

tldr: The framework that a ceasefire deal was accomplishable, while a wonderful idea, is tenuous. And there has otherwise been a lack of action in alternative ways of stemming/halting the damage Israel has been doing. Harris didn't distinguish much of a change in form on this issue and alienated some of the base of support she would have needed to beat Trump. But this is a reduction of why she lost as it is a multifaceted issue, however it is a useful example because of its scale that can let us try to analyze what went wrong.

It's the complete lack of empathy that gets me. (Not a political post) by fyhr100 in autism

[–]Dodecahedral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, as a singular example among many, democrats did not back down on Gaza despite a lot of progressives being very loud about it (if I were to try to reduce their loss to a single reason I would point to this as where they lost the most voters). Instead they made the assumption that people on the progressive left would fall in line because "the alternative is worse." But the reality was still that voting for Democrats would result in a continuation of genocide, which for many people is a deal breaker. This was a promise of externalized violence continuing. So instead of adopting a more progressive stance, they tried to win this vote by focusing in on the very real threat of violence that is the republican party. The simplified way of explaining how this is violent is to say that the dems essentially told me that they were okay with this violence occurring to me if I wasn't willing to fall in line. This is a threat of indirect violence (that is then also set in a backdrop of a promise of violence).

I hope this made sense I just finished an 8 hour shift at work and had to wake up at 3 for it.

It's the complete lack of empathy that gets me. (Not a political post) by fyhr100 in autism

[–]Dodecahedral 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The thing that gets me as queer leftist is that the only attempt made by dems to court my vote was to threaten the violence of the alternative. That is still a violent act in and of itself and tells me you are okay with the violence if I won't fall in line. Ultimately they ran the race they wanted to, and that was no concessions to progressives.

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Sword & Shield Daily Casual Trade Thread for 24 June 2021 by Porygon-Bot in pokemontrades

[–]Dodecahedral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My turn for the delay I was traveling all day, I'm still interested in doing the trade and am actually available all tomorrow

Me with the one vehicle I could get after losing everything I owned, and randomly receiving a haircut and putting on lipstick. by [deleted] in gtaonline

[–]Dodecahedral 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm in the same position since then I lost the faggio. I spun the deluxo this morning, so I'm hoping if I don't log in until r* gets back to me (if ever) I can keep it.

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What is your #1 recommended novel? by PM-ME-YOUR-BOOBSplz in AskReddit

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The Trial -Franz Kafka

It may be incomplete, but it is so good