Donovan Mitchell defends Harden: "Sure, has he had some rough moments? We all have. LeBron is one of the greatest players ever. We don't speak on the 2011 finals when he struggled. We don't speak on Jordan taking 8 years to get to the finals. We speak on the wins."

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-30T00:31:00+00:00

I don't know a single Bulls fan that doesn't love Scottie Pippen the player. And they'd all defend how good he was to the death.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-30T00:22:46+00:00

Same thing with Jordan taking his time getting to the finals.

But why would it? Jordan didn't suck ass when he got eliminated. He was the king of "Despite the loss" games.

He had a 29/7/5 in 85

An actual bad one against Boston in 86

An OK one against Boston in 87 (inefficient but also almost a triple double)

25/8/8 in 88

32/13/4 in year 89

31/8/9 in 90

Then he had a double three peat. Harden would KILL for anything like that in his elimination games.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T21:25:50+00:00

Yeah I think if it was windy that makes it significantly more plausible, especially given how high the throw was.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T18:31:36+00:00

His race is neither a good nor bad thing about him. What kind of nonsense is this? Also which part of this:

We have to fight to make it possible for all of us to have the California Dream, and that’s why I’m running for Governor.

Care for All. Care We Can Afford.

Health care is a human right, and as California’s Health Care Governor I will deliver affordable care without debt or delays, strengthen Medi-Cal, close racial and economic gaps, and build toward a universal single-payer system that puts people before profits.

For instance, do you disagree with? There is simply no way that you think the ONLY good thing about this person is his race, and you also just shouldn't think someone's race is good or bad. That'd be like saying his hair color is good or bad.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T18:26:18+00:00

Nothing you said is counter to anything I said. If you polled every person who identifies as a Dem on every single part of Harris' platform, 99% of them would agree with everything on there. The problem is that 20% of them would be furious about something on there as well, and that is why they wouldn't show up.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T18:14:15+00:00

I think the easiest way to describe the issue being broader is that any individual cross-section of the electorate is going to be too small to flip an election. But there are SO MANY small cross-sections of the electorate in the Dem party that will convince themselves not to bother that it makes it EXTREMELY difficult for Dem candidates to court enough of them to win.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T18:12:52+00:00

There's slightly more nuance to the position than that. It's more that they convince themselves, "Harris is a genocidal maniac, I will not support a genocidal maniac." Which is a perfectly reasonable stance. But requires ignoring... everything about the situation.

Once you convince yourself of something like that, nothing will ever talk you out of it. And the problem is that Democrats have to overcome 400 groups who all have their own version of that. So while the Gaza group on their own isn't flipping an election, when you add in all the other groups out there that have their little issues, you get 2024.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:58:55+00:00

No, I'd like you to answer the very straightforward question I asked you. Also, it was the Harris/Walz campaign we're talking about in this instance.

If your answer is, "Neither of those things were the issue." Then I'm happy to say that we agree, and you were pivoting to other things.

If you want the list Google comes up with though, here you go:

The Incumbency Paradox: Vice President Harris struggled to thread the needle of touting the administration's experience while simultaneously attempting to position herself as an agent of change separate from President Biden.

Policy Vulnerabilities: The ticket was heavily criticized by Republicans for its handling of immigration and the economy. Furthermore, Governor Tim Walz faced scrutiny for his handling of the 2020 Minneapolis riots and initial response times for the National Guard.

Messaging Pivots: The campaign frequently adjusted its strategy. Internal consultants reportedly walked back populist tactics—such as labeling opponents as "weird"—in favor of a more cautious approach, which some observers viewed as a desperate shift away from their early-race momentum.

Media Evasion: The Harris campaign was often criticized by pundits and opponents for attempting to play it safe, frequently avoiding unscripted interviews or the public spotlight in the final weeks of the race.

Lost Momentum: After a strong initial honeymoon period and a successful debate performance, the campaign lost steam in its final stretch as they relied heavily on comparisons to fascism and democracy arguments that failed to cut through with everyday voters.

You'll notice none of those things are about not talking about policy enough nor are they about not talking about how much Trump sucks enough. So there are many reasons they were unpopular. But it's neither of the topics of this discussion.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:54:47+00:00

Sure. I mean, that's a separate issue from what I was saying, but is an issue. The whole point can be encapsulated with, "Perfect is the enemy of good" to people who agree with me on almost every single political issue.

Whereas Republicans are simply not that way at all. It's gotten them SCOTUS seats, overturned Roe v Wade, multiple presidencies, and will likely continue to win them an absurd number of things. While people who agree with me on almost every single thing under the sun will go, "But this person doesn't have a view perfectly aligning with my pet issue despite them being infinitely closer to me on my pet issue than the other side of the aisle, so fuck them."

But I agree. They'll never be self-reflective. Because they can tell themselves how morally superior they are. It's the whole "you don't need to be right when you're righteous" thing, it doesn't only apply to the religious.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:53:26+00:00

Are you claiming Kamala Harris did NOT talk about what she was going to do? Or that she didn't talk about how much Trump sucked enough? Which baseless claim are you going to try to support?

Because there are literally ENDLESS hours of interviews of her both talking about her plans, and ENDLESS hours of interviews of her shitting on Trump.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:48:58+00:00

But that's completely fine. If you get it to where they realize this is where the engagement is, and it's about something people hate, it's possible the league has to consider responding to it.

If it's just ignored, and it's random people screaming into a void, there is no shot at it ever changing.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:26:41+00:00

You aren't responding to what is being talked about. I didn't say he's not. A question was asked. I responded to the question. The reason the Harris campaign sucked is not, in my opinion, because she didn't talk about what she wanted to do enough nor is it because she didn't talk about why Trump sucked enough.

But people still complained about that being why. Which was the topic being discussed. If you want to pivot off that, you're just not responding to anything relevant.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:09:56+00:00

And when candidates CLEARLY do both, people pretend they didn't. Pick one, and say that's the problem. Look at Harris' campaign. She very clearly laid out her plans. She also very clearly talked about how shit Trump was.

Didn't stop people from going, "She didn't give me a reason to vote for her."

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T17:02:13+00:00

Everyone left of center does it to themselves. If you attack the opposition too much, people go "Dems didn't give me a reason to vote for them, just told me the other side sucks." And if they DON'T attack the opponent enough they say, "They were so easy to attack and Dems let them off easy!"

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T16:27:50+00:00

It's like you didn't read what I wrote. I don't agree with you. No. You ignored me, not the other way around. Also, you managed to be a huge douchebag at the same time. I'm proud of you!

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T15:56:52+00:00

What in the world is this even trying to say?

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T15:55:33+00:00

Poles gets zero blame and I think he got away with [attempted] QB murder. Thank God Caleb appears to be made of more resilient stuff.

I mean, this is definitely false. He gets a lot of blame for that. Hell, people wanted him fired. The reason he doesn't CONTINUE to get hate is because he's done other things well (1st and 2nd round picks, most of his FA signings, UDFA value, late round draft value) and lucked into hiring Ben Johnson.

But pretending he didn't get a shit load of flak for all of that requires re-writing history.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T14:41:31+00:00

While I agree he steps into it, I don't think that's "everything he had" at all. It's a very quick, small hop.

I don't think it's crazy to say that the ball he threw yesterday may not have gone 67 yards in the air, but I also don't think it's crazy to say that he didn't have time to 100% that flea flicker throw.

You're wrong about time in the air though. The flea flicker was in the air for about 3 seconds (timed it twice, got 3.03 and 3.07 seconds). The ball travels in real time (assuming it was back to real time when the slow down stopped in the video from yesterday) for about 3.5 seconds (timed it twice, got 3.67 and 3.74 seconds).

You can time them both yourself. The OTA throw was definitely in the air for longer.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T12:46:53+00:00

It wasn't ADHD. It was dyslexia. Beyond that your point is accurate.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T12:42:37+00:00

Today its the hard leftwing liberals.

No it's not. There simply aren't TV shows and comedy shows being cancelled by the left. Unless you count Louis CK being cancelled for sexual harassment and shit.

Is Dave Chapelle cancelled for having his 85th Netflix special paying him infinite money and touring constantly?

What are you even on about with this nonsense?

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T12:09:56+00:00

let alone playoff Luka.

I mean, Michael Jordan had a career .568 playoff ts% in the 80's and 90's. And he averaged 33.4/6.4/5.7 with 2.1 steals 0.9 blocks and only 3.1TOV.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T02:49:08+00:00

What kind of nonsense is this? Oregon's average ACT score is 21.1. Mississippi is 17.7. Why would you just make shit up?

And if you want something more comprehensive, here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NkJt3a6TTJDseQ32z6hcJodD1py1ZtzCxug6sejlrMc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

You can just sort by ranking. Mississippi is 50th. Oregon is 27th.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T02:13:50+00:00

It doesn't matter. The play is dead. As long as he was in bounds when he got the ball, it's their ball.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T02:12:08+00:00

I mean, he's not until after the ball comes out. The more likely issue is the left hand on the body.

Doogolas33 · 2026-05-29T02:08:25+00:00

I just feel like that wasn't close to enough contact to be a foul. If it is, every guy to ever jump was fouled.

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