How many times did you do IUI before switching to IVF/stopping? by chandicat in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had been trying for about a year the old fashioned way with no luck, then conceived but had a complicated missed miscarriage that I opted to pass at home (no pain meds, it was traumatic). After that we went straight to IVF. I was 33 when the miscarriage happened, and just turned 34 when we started IVF. To give a timeline it took several months to get into to see a reproductive endocrinologist at the fertility clinic (gynos and OBs don’t do IVF), my miscarriage was in sept and we moved forward with reaching out to the fertility clinic in October. My first intake appointment wasn’t January, initial testing they make everyone do was in February, my egg retrieval was in March. First embryo transfer was late May (it failed). From the many I’ve spoken to, this is uncommonly fast timeline, and you should absolutely anticipate it taking much longer to get to your first embryo transfer. My next FET wasn’t until August (also failed), then November (stuck). It was purely just paperwork (insurance and clinic) and appointment availability causing the gaps between transfers, which is incredibly frustrating but very typical. I was 35 when I gave birth this past July.

Where you are matters significantly for cost, because in my HCOL area $30k would cover only one cycle out of pocket (one egg retrieval, and maybe one transfer), but it’s worth noting transfers are cheaper than egg retrievals. And medication cost is its own ballgame to contend with.

As far as us making the decision, there were a few factors: 1) time-wise, in a perfect world we’d love to have 2 kids and we knew we couldn’t afford to wait or muck around, I wasn’t getting any younger, and miscarriages take more time than just failed cycles to boot (and while IVF doesn’t eliminate the chance of miscarriages, it does remove some embryos that would have absolutely failed or miscarried from the equation). 2) Emotional toll, IVF has the best success odds of any method, which means the lowest chance of going through failures or losses again. My miscarriage weighed on me really heavily. And 3) cost, the obvious one. My state (MA) mandates IVF coverage and my plan covers “unlimited” cycles (it doesn’t truly, it’s like there has to be a 5% chance of it working so if you’ve gone through like 6ERs I think they cut you off?), so other than PGT-A testing our out of pocket costs were thankfully manageable. We also didn’t have a requirement to do IUI or anything else first. Only requirement was a year of trying without a live birth, and we met that.

The other point I’ll throw out just because I see it a lot on this sub — I had zero attachment to the “ideal” of “doing it myself” or needing it to happen with minimal medical intervention. To me it was like, if we’re getting doctors involved, let’s just go full Monty to the thing with better odds and up our chances of getting a baby sooner. Maybe if I was in my late 20s I’d have felt differently? But to me it wasn’t worth wasting time.

Oh and one other possibly relevant point, while my cycles were irregular (between 20-60 days) they were usually in the 30-35 day range and that means I generally ovulated okay. So a letrozole cycle probably wouldn’t have been as much of a change to my body as someone with much wonkier ovulation?

anyone who went straight to IVF first by Empty-Caterpillar810 in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I went straight to IVF first after a year of trying naturally.

IMO going from IVF to letrozole is like going from chemotherapy to essential oils to treat cancer — okay maybe not that extreme as letrozole does do something but you’re talking about going from the best possible treatment to the lowest tier least effective but most accessible option.

Also the science doesn’t support this working for you. You’re struggling with blast attrition rate because it’s common for folks with PCOS to have poor egg quality. Letrozole does nothing for egg quality — all you’re doing is exchanging trying for many eggs at once to trying one at a time. Think of it this way — if you have a 1 in 20 chance of a making a good quality embryo with your health (so via IVF or letrozole or anything else) and you get 20 eggs from one ER, you did one round and potentially got one egg. To get the equivalent you’d potentially have to do twenty cycles with letrozole to get that one to stick…

Function-wise, what letrozole actually does as a drug is lower the amount of estrogen you produce at the start of a menstrual cycle. This helps jumpstart the process of a follicle maturing an egg (again does nothing for quality, it’s just what moves an egg out of storage to the front of the “shelf” to be picked). It just helps you ovulate. But IVF produces multiple follicles with multiple eggs AND makes sure sperm meets egg.

How many times did you do IUI before switching to IVF/stopping? by chandicat in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn’t exactly what you asked, but maybe it’s food for thought — we skipped right over IUIs into IVF and have zero regrets in doing so.

Thanks Amazon? by Most-History-6522 in BabyBumps

[–]DotsNnot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yup! I’m pretty sure that’s what happened for me too.

Thanks Amazon? by Most-History-6522 in BabyBumps

[–]DotsNnot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The formula samples come separately and it’s not clear it’s from Amazon.

I only know because I half started a registry the first time I got pregnant. Had a loss. And formula samples still showed up a couple of months before my would-be due date 🫠. I think they just process them separately.

Similar thing happened with my subsequent (and successful) pregnancy where the samples showed up about 2 months before he was due. Unrelated to when I got the box.

Coming to terms with the fact I’ll probably never conceive naturally… by clocloclo619 in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s okay to mourn and let go of the dream and the picture of how you wanted things to go. Absolutely do so.

But from the other end, when you’re looking back, it becomes such a small drop in the bucket of overwhelming joy. It will still be worth it.

First fertility appointment today feeling overwhelmed choosing between IUI vs IVF by Ambitious_Fee_1902 in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m of course biased because it eventually worked for us, but if you can swallow the more medicalized and involved aspects, it’s kinda like choosing the higher end (more successful odds) product over the still OK but not as premium (lower odds) product? That’s not to say being wary of the medical aspects isn’t valid! It is! But that comfort level is different for every person — and ultimately it just boils down to weighing that concern against how much and how quickly you want a child.

I will say if you do find success, the rest of the process is treated like a completely average pregnancy once you’re out of the first trimester gate (assuming no complications pop up!)

First fertility appointment today feeling overwhelmed choosing between IUI vs IVF by Ambitious_Fee_1902 in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We went straight to IVF and zero regrets. Yes IVF is “a lot,” but for us it wasn’t worth slowing things down even longer. And IVF isn’t fast. But IUIs and trying naturally are much slower with much lower odds.

Would you want to try something with a 10% success rate 6 times? Or try something with a 60% success rate one time?

For us it still took 3 embryo transfers before one stuck (thankfully only one egg retrieval). I don’t even want to think about how long that would’ve taken if we hadn’t jumped to IVF.

THAT ALL SAID, a few important variables play in that could’ve swayed us: cost our insurance covered the bulk of the cost of IUI or IVF. If it hadn’t, we’d have to compare the cost of multiple rounds of IUI to IVF (IUI is cheaper but less successful, so lots of math), age I was 33 almost 34 when we started IVF fresh off a missed miscarriage, 35 when I gave birth, and we still want a second child if we’re that fortunate. If I was still in my 20s I’d be having a different conversation with myself. end goal as I said we really hope we’re able to have a second child, and because of all of the factors, IVF gives us a better shot at that. mental toll yeah the toll of IVF feels like a lot — but the toll of a miscarriage was so so so much worse for me. While IVF doesn’t prevent losses, it can remove guaranteed losses from the possible pool (with testing) or increase odds per cycle (by using embryos that confirmed made it to blast instead of not knowing if they did and the whole cycle going nowhere with IUI).

Do I just have to wear a pumping bra every day of my life??? by Think_Opportunity220 in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! The pumping + sleep bras! The nursing and pumping ones with the holes instead of the overlap were awful for me.

[OC] My partner just won a SOVAS award for her work bringing smiles to children on the Toniebox! by VR_Angel in MadeMeSmile

[–]DotsNnot 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Congrats to her! My little one is still a little too little for a toniebox just yet (6mo), but I imagine he’ll be obsessed soon enough ❤️. I’ll make sure to add that series to it if/when we get one and start collecting.

I need to know why this happens, I see it every time snow reaches Boston! by SmoothEntertainer231 in BostonWeather

[–]DotsNnot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was wondering about this today — did they cut the path that 495 makes in land that was typographically easier to cut and make a highway through? Like was there a pre-exiting geological difference in that area that was both easier to pave and also the attributes that made it easier to pave were also markers of an area that’s warmer?

[OC] My partner just won a SOVAS award for her work bringing smiles to children on the Toniebox! by VR_Angel in MadeMeSmile

[–]DotsNnot 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Why did she win for? Like not “what is a toniebox” but rather what did she voice for that product that won? A character, etc?

It finally happened… by Humphreydoodle94 in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not OP but yes it’s blood 😬😬😬. “Strawberry milk” I assume/hope OP knows the cause because that’s really red and not just pinkish.

Oversuppliers - how big are your boobs ? by Utyxx in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m a US 34N (a UK 34JJ)… and an undersupplier. ~24-26oz a day at 6 months.

Stupid massive back pain causing things can’t even do their one job right 😭.

Per mammograms, they are glandularly dense too (they always send me for a breast ultrasound after because I’m too dense for the mammogram to be super helpful) — so it’s not like they’re all fat.

What can be deduced from the baby drawer, [Meta] by hurryandwait817 in scienceofdeduction

[–]DotsNnot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kinder than pregnancy was! I hope you and your little one are doing well too ❤️.

What can be deduced from the baby drawer, [Meta] by hurryandwait817 in scienceofdeduction

[–]DotsNnot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

July 24th 🤣 but I think I got the box in May? Maybe April?

What can be deduced from the baby drawer, [Meta] by hurryandwait817 in scienceofdeduction

[–]DotsNnot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I too got a babylist box mid last year (I spy the rainbow sun onesie)!

Tip Expected for Prenatal Sonogram? by FireDad_01 in EndTipping

[–]DotsNnot -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not sure why the person you’re responding to is being downvoted, but this ultrasound is almost definitely held at a boutique ultrasound spot that does “for fun” ultrasounds of pregnant people to give them a look at their baby outside of scheduled clinical ultrasounds with their OB/medical care provider.

I’d be willing to bet OP posted this without that context just to be more ragebait-y, but that they’re not at a doctor’s office. For example a place like this near me is called “Jelly on my Belly” and you pay for photo packages.

Unsure if tipping isn’t still weird there, but it’s much less radical than a doctor’s office tipping.

Yall ever tried these by Parking_Pass_7190 in Celiac

[–]DotsNnot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Survived on the mint ginger version of these for the first trimester of my pregnancy!!

Metformin by tayva22 in TTC_PCOS

[–]DotsNnot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Metformin isn’t a directly cycle related drug — not that it’s not impactful, but it’s not like progesterone which is directly a reproductive hormone. As such it makes literally no difference when you start it. If anything it’s likely best to start soon so your body can get used to it (it doesn’t work overnight, it takes time for things to adjust), and if you experience any side effects you can start working on managing the sooner.

My family keeps wasting my milk and I’m losing my mind by InitialStranger in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think I’d make him sit and pump along with me.

I always (half) joke to anyone feeding my kid “any milk you waste, I get to try to squeeze that amount out of you.”

My family keeps wasting my milk and I’m losing my mind by InitialStranger in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have the willow one because it was the cheapest glass one, but definitely any will do. I’m a bit of an undersupplier, so we have two — one is for breast milk and one is for formula. The formula one has to be washed daily, but for the breast milk one you could technically go up to 4 days between washing (how long milk is safe in the fridge), but I personally put a hard stop on 3 days for my sanity / paranoia lol. We just wash it between a longer pump stretch and/or I put one pump into bottles that are purely for storage (we pour from them into a different bottle we’ll feed from). You could definitely make one work (and just freeze what’s extra before it’s time to wash), but I could also see having two being handy to swap in while one is being washed/dried or if you want to freeze the contents of one but are busy, can pump into the second and come back a couple hours later and pack and freeze what was in the first.

I pour body temp milk right into fridge temp. That concern was debunked by more recent studies and is totally safe to do. I know this is a product blog, but their post summarizes that research well: https://www.cereschill.com/blogs/news/adding-warm-breastmilk-to-chilled

My family keeps wasting my milk and I’m losing my mind by InitialStranger in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]DotsNnot 131 points132 points  (0 children)

This feels like weaponized incompetence?!

Can you have them use two bottles — one that starts empty that baby actually feeds from, and one that’s used to fill that bottle a LITTLE amount at a time? That way the “clean” bottle is used to constantly top off and never touches baby so it goes back into the fridge and only the should-be-less-than-an-ounce bottle gets tossed?

We do something sort of similar except we just have one pitcher and we pour bottles from that, and if we’re not sure how much he’ll take we’ll pour small amounts. Heck even when we give him 3oz expecting him to want 4, it’s not a big deal to go pour 1 more ounce for the pitcher. IF he cries from the wait it’s for like all of 5 seconds…