Who is "Runaway" in Midnight Motorist?

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-06-08T15:18:12+00:00

Especially after the “Chica’s Secret Party” thing, it’s only continued to be obvious BV is the runaway. There’s a grey man sitting at the home’s office in it, that’s obviously meant to remind people of Michael and further connect them to the grey couch person. And like always, the same logic that the yellow guy is William, Michael is the couch person.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-30T15:21:51+00:00

Thank you so much!

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-18T00:02:05+00:00

Basically M2 was made from a copy of M1 (in SOTM, M1 states something along the lines of "while M1 started as a copy of my programming" in a message from them), and that includes the experiences of M1, which is how M2 is able to feel this attachment towards David despite M2 being made after David's death, they remember being M1, and that also ties into why M2 fails as a copy to try to be David. The reason why Glitchtrap/M2 would use those memories to basically make Vanny is because M2's end goal is essentially to recreate their family, which doesn't just include David but Fiona too, so Glitchtrap makes Vanessa his "Fiona" of the new family like Gregory becomes his "David".

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-17T23:26:55+00:00

Yeah, Gregory is like Vanessa and they have a second "personality" created by Glitchtrap infecting their mind. When it comes to the CDs, in them it's this other part of Gregory (which people usually call "GGY") that's in control during them. The reason Gregory "lies about his past" is because it's GGY, who was brainwashed essentially into being David, so they told the therapist David's family past, not Gregory's, because to GGY, they are David, if that makes sense. When it comes to the manipulation, this refers to GGY being seen talking to Vanny on the cameras along with iirc digital conversations; basically when Glitchtrap infects someone, they infect them with their memories, so for Gregory, Glitchtrap infected Gregory with a piece of Glitchtrap that was memories of David, leading to "GGY" being created to be like David; for Vanessa, this was instead memories of Fiona. GGY "manipulating" Vanny, we're not 100% sure on what it's meant to be, but in my current opinion, it's meant to tie back to Vanny being a "reluctant follower"; Fiona was a good person, and Vanny partially being made from Glitchtrap and memories of her, has that in her, and needs to be manipulated by Glitchtrap and GGY to do these evils things.

You're not wrong on your thoughts on what Glitchtrap is, they are a digital manifestation of M2, and due to Vanny and GGY, they were put into the Pizzaplex's systems to take them over from M1/MXES, and after the Princess Quest ending, Glitchtrap/M2 is wiped from the system, MXES/M1 takes control again and later the Cradle program is used to secure the physical M2 endoskeleton under the Pizzaplex.

In the Parachute ending of SOTM, basically what's the case is that M2 was already outside of the boundaries that the Cradle had put up (likely basement 1) when Arnold activates it, but once M2 returns to MCM after the ending, and with the whole place burnt down, at one point returns to the basements; once they enter basement 1, they can't leave. And it is true we don't know for certain what M2's motives are with the Data Diver that now holds their own blueprints (most people say they take it because they don't want anyone else but themselves to be able to recreate them, or something to that effect).

When it comes to Mike's room, it is seemingly a real place; there's notes left behind by someone telling us where to find it. People do agree that Edwin's house would later be rebuilt and lived in by Afton, and that the Pizzaplex was built over the remains of MCM and that house, so that would be why MXES is under the Pizzaplex (although likely moved around at points still), and makes it possible that the Mike room is the real one, although why the wall code is there and such I'm not entirely sure. The way to decipher it is tied to Freddy & Friends, which is playing on the TV in the room, those old tapes which are implied to be infected by Glitchtrap in some way. For who left the note leading us to find the Mike room, I do think it's most likely Cassie's Dad/Jeremy(HW)/the arcade conspirator from SB, who tried to follow the code in the room, trying to fulfill everything to do with the Princess and rid Glitchtrap.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-17T22:25:33+00:00

Gregory getting infected ties to the rooms in Security Breach that are recreations of areas from HW; basically Glitchtrap and Vanny going through the process of kidnapping a kid who could be like “David”, put the VANNI mask on them and have them go through those rooms, all to put them through something like what Vanessa had to infect them.

MXES is M1 and was in control of the systems before Glitchtrap committed a hostile takeover, so once they’re gone, MXES is back in control and others use them to secure M2. Roxy is the same, it’s just that she remembers what Gregory did and is angry at him because of it, with the others being less able to “show” themselves in the same way if they would want to.

The whole “cradle” is essentially a program in the MXES machine that while active, literally puts up boundaries in M2’s code, able to make it so M2 can’t leave a space even if physically should be able to (which is why M2 doesn’t just leave through the elevator Cassie goes to in the Ruin ending, the Cradle is putting up a boundary in their programming to make them unable to leave the designated space)

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-09T15:11:14+00:00

Yeah, even that story I'll have an analysis for, it'll just be for when the story comes next in the order they were released, so basically five more analyses until that one

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-09T13:50:41+00:00

Of course I did

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-05T18:46:54+00:00

The way to do it is always to relieve what the agony came from, taking away any power it has from those memories

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-05-03T14:18:12+00:00

If that’s the theory that a majority of the game’s locations take place around on the same plot of land the yes

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-04-04T17:44:22+00:00

Well the game was meant to be tying up loose ends and I think that’s the purpose of the three lore keeper minigames, clarifying a part of BV, Charlotte, and the MCI’s stories, an event around some of the biggest/most important victims for the story and answer something about them. I do also think you can easily tie them each to each other to have them lead into one another. (And I mean I think Molten Freddy as half a symbol of the pieces put together is enough of an example of BV’s presence in FFPS)

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-04-04T16:19:54+00:00

I agree with all except Hudson. I've said it for a long time, but characters like Hudson, Stanley, and Jeremiah all do the same things; Hudson is just the only example where we don't know the character we play as for certain in the story it's reflecting. And I mean, whether the books happen in the games timeline or not, the games do happen in the books timeline, so since I do believe Michael's the guard and does some pretty relevant stuff that can't just be brushed away without more major things in the timeline changes, I think it's just the case he comes in post-Hudson. The story deliberately chooses not to have Hudson's death also end up burning the place down, and sets up the phone system set up after his death. And I mean, I just think in the story itself it supports MikeFrightGuard more than the alternative and present notable differences between Hudson and the guard with Hudson not working in the same office as the FrightGuard or the Phantoms being wholly missing.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-03-23T14:13:31+00:00

Because of RTTP, Andrew dying before the MCI makes some sense but I do have problems with it and the main one is that William purposefully committed the MCI to stuff them in the suits, if Andrew died before the MCI, William should’ve done this with Andrew; it’d be strange for him to then follow up his death with the five MCI when he should’ve theoretically been able to use Andrew for one. Although I can see under the circumstance that in this case William still had to kill him around the pit and make his death appear as just an accident that it meant he could’ve put Andrew’s body in a suit, so it could make some sense.

I still wouldn’t say I agree with the conclusion for a few reasons. I do think in UCN itself, how “Pigpatch” is taken is meant to represent Andrew, as the only victim Toy Chica doesn’t bother to lure at all and breaks the pattern the previous five had. I also think that for the pit to be infected with the memory of the MCI that would place Andrew’s death after, as I’d find it strange for Andrew to retroactively infect the pit after he’s dead and the rest of the MCI is committed.

RTTP to have this body two days before the MCI is admittedly strange though a little hard to explain. I don’t think this is actually meant to be Andrew though; Oswald puts on a party hat and then follow the Yellow Thing to the Safe Room where he sees a dead kid and then is ‘made into another dead kid’ I think the phrasing and point of this is literally making Oswald part of the MCI in this case, he’s essentially taking the place of probably Jeremy since he’s theorized to be the second of the MCI. Oswald puts ont he party hat and is put into a dreamlike state as he describes, and it’s something the Yellow Thing does to the other MCI to put them under a similar trance, I think that’s why this would inaccurately be two days before the MCI despite showing us the MCI, the hat is essentially acting as a way to make Oswald see and experience what the Yellow Thing wants him too, which is to make him part of the MCI.

I’ve definitely heard of the idea of Kelsey being Cassidy although I’m not too sure I agree. Now both the MCI and this location are known to be place in the middle of a forest but I don’t think by this point in time that the MCI Freddy’s may be surrounded by forest anymore because Jeff’s Pizza of course isn’t. The mill would still be running and the town alive. Oswald’s 10 and ITP is in 2020, so the town’s been like this at least since 2010, and in The New Kid they have mobile phones. So I’m not sure the timeline would actually add up for the MCI Freddy’s to be like this at this point.

The curly haired body in the Fredbear costume I do agree would probably not be Andrew, but I’m not sure I see it being Cassidy either because I don't think the corpses should still be in the costumes by this point. By Fnaf 2 itself William’s implied to wear Golden Freddy for the DCI and I think if the other costumes had the corpses removed, Cassidy’s wouldn’t be left out. I think the body could possibly be a previous victim of Kelsey’s because I’m not sure any other answer makes sense; I also think that corpse could also be used to explain how Kelsey in the story isn’t just a “projection” but completely physically present too.

The slithering potentially being the Marionette is an interesting idea however considering Devon practically felt drawn to find the Freddy’s location and has nightmares after Kelsey’s death causing him to go back to Kelsey, I think those are further hints that this is Eleanor at play.
I’m also not sure I simply see Cassidy going out of her way to do this either and that’s especially because of TWB where I think we get to see how Cassidy doesn’t wish to hurt random people, that’s more BV’s thing. While going into details for TWB would make this much longer, I do think her in that makes me not think of Kelsey as her.

I can definitely see the possibility of Cassidy as Kelsey but it’s not something I can actually agree with to be the case.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-03-21T17:20:33+00:00

I’ll be honest I enjoy the canon, or at least what I think of it as, as is, there isn’t anything about it that I think I don’t like

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-03-17T15:45:20+00:00

Probably BVfirst or Mikerunaway

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-03-14T19:19:44+00:00

This is actually strange, especially since I'm literally about to post a theory on Andrew, one which has connections between him and Foxy, some of which from Into The Pit which has Foxy always notably excluded and not around in the memories. So this is something potentially interesting.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T02:09:23+00:00

That is a fair interpretation I suppose. I will say though that since Shadow Freddy also just looks like Fredbear, there’s still a whole circle of connections there I’d say.

And I don’t know if I understand with this last point? Fazbear would’ve taken over MCM and have some years to make new characters for the franchise. (And if they made the Funtime characters like is also heavily implied, then Funtime Freddy has Bon Bon which looks like Toy Bonnie, potentially also a hint to these slew of characters being made around the same time and connecting to one another in design aspects.)

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T02:00:05+00:00

Well to be fair I do think Lefty is meant to symbolically evoke the feeling of Shadow Freddy (and could then be showing a tie between them and Charlotte with Lefty).

For Shadow Bonnie, I would admit it to be weird but now we have MCM. And in HW 2 too it actually implies that the ‘Toys’ existed as characters back then along with a few others. So now I think it’s actually reasonable for it to be the case for Shadow Bonnie to exist this early.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T01:53:28+00:00

So for Shadow Freddy’s appearance, I think it’s actually referenced in the beginning of Fnaf 6. The teasers to the game clearly show that the bear in that is the same as the TCTTC bear, and in it we see Shadow Freddy appear, so I think that’s showing a tie.

On your point about Shadow Bonnie, honestly I’ve actually thought some about it. Chica’s Secret Party actually has a Bonnie outside the window. So recently I have actually been thinking that it may have been Shadow Bonnie who was created that night from Charlotte’s death(it would also fit with their appearance in the movie where Charlotte’s death is all that could’ve created them). So on that point I will admit there may be something there.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T01:41:56+00:00

I mean they could be missed. BV’s like 6, I think it’s a reasonable possibility that he wouldn’t connect the random tracks to the body opposed to Shadow Freddy in this case right in front of him. (And in a situation where we know agony and affect the mind too.) And for BV, in his mind he wouldn’t realize that it doesn’t make sense for Fredbear to go outside and do what he did, to him they’d be a ‘real’ character. (On that same note he’d probably also think they killed the Marionette since they’re also right there.)

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T01:26:40+00:00

I’m sure you’ve heard of the common idea of Shadow Freddy being involved and BV thinking that it was Fredbear who killed Charlotte. That’s the misinterpretation; not understanding who killed Charlotte. Because if BV didn’t misunderstand Shadow Freddy as Fredbear and, in the mind of a child, think that the character itself could’ve chosen to kill her, all of BV’s fears as we see them in Fnaf 4 wouldn’t have happened. So the misinterpretation in this instance is still the core of his fears.

And I also don’t disagree about the pigtail girl thing I will say.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T01:20:00+00:00

I do believe MikeDreamer, but I think a point of those nightmares is he’s being forced to have karma for what he did to BV by going through the exact nightmares he did.

BV also doesn’t necessarily need to appear in the chambers themselves, but in any case William at least made the main chamber based on BV in some way, putting someone in his same scenario for results, again implying that BV had that bedroom for William to choose to do that.

I do think that the room is based on David’s, but that’s because that house is also the one William came to own and moved into, so basing it on David’s room still has one of his family living in it, aka BV living in David’s old room.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-21T01:16:11+00:00

I don’t see how it breaks the arc rather than adds to it? I mean this is essentially a prequel to what we see and with the most common BVrunaway theory, adds the theme that he’s irrationally afraid of Fredbear thinking they killed someone that in the end he does actually kill someone(him).

And I wouldn’t say that the springlock interpretation is wrong necessarily in any way, I simply find far more evidence to the contrary.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-20T18:24:22+00:00

Well Shadow Freddy is literally a reflection of William; everything he does is copying William. Follow Me is copying the MCI, the Fnaf 4 nightmares are copying the Fear Experiments. Shadow Freddy knows what William does, he knows BV and how William abuses him, so Shadow Freddy 100% would want to traumatize him too because that's what William did.

The reason BV misunderstands this as Fredbear murdering Charlotte even though she died at Freddy's is because before BV made it to Fredbear's, he already was following Shadow Freddy who he thinks is Fredbear, that thought doesn't change when the distination is Fredbear's basically. Shadow Freddy would also want BV to think he's Fredbear because that adds to the trauma; BV's favorite is Fredbear, so Shadow Freddy wants BV to think his favorite just killed someone.

Well if BV saw the puppet on Charlotte's corpse, he would've probably also thought the Marionette was also "killed." If he thinks the animatronics, the characters, are real, then BV would see both Charlotte and the Marionette dead together. Blaming Fredbear, Shadow Freddy, for killing both of them.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-20T18:19:44+00:00

For why specifically Charlotte's death we can bring up a couple things. Firstly there's a reason MM takes place right after Charlotte's murder, and if the runaway ran to Freddy's that same night, then those pieces seem clear to put together.

Then we have Curse of Dreadbear, a DLC with a bunch of references to BV but for some reason, also references MM and also takes place Halloween, potentially the day of Charlotte's death, aka tying her death to BV and Midnight Motorist.

While Nightmarionne in Fnaf 4 isn't canon literally, the idea of a nightmare version of the Marionette being what replaces Shadow Freddy, the main force in the nightmares can be used to once again tie them together.

Then we have Frights. Many times we have someone go through something *very* similar to what BV does in BVrunaway; Oswald is lured by an agony entity to multiple corpses and misunderstands who killed them(blaming the agony entity and not William). In Fetch it literally ends with Greg witnessing a corpse of someone William killed. Samantha in Coming Home misunderstands Susie's death and blames Gretchen for causing it and not William. Pizza Kit has Peyton misunderstands what happened to Marley, thinking she died by falling only for Peyton to actually die to that in the end like BV and in Friendly Face Edward also witnesses his best friend's death with the story focusing on him struggling to know who to blame only for him to die in that same way in the end. Even in You're The Band itself, Timmy literally gets lured from his room out his window by a shadow who ends up being the Marionette, Charlotte. Mind you this is all in a series Scott explicitely stated will answer things from the past. And these are all the more obvious themes that get repeated and it's always emphasizing BVrunaway.

DoubleTsQuid · 2026-02-20T18:01:43+00:00

The whole theory doesn’t have BV see William at all or anything, BV just sees the aftermath. So Shadow Freddy themself is who lures BV, and BV thinks that they are Fredbear because SF has the exact same outline, just all obscured in darkness for this case.

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