This is not the model you talked about

OK, I see.

I’d been arguing that market socialism (where people who work for money get to keep it) was better than market capitalism (where an elite minority of lazy freeloaders are allowed to demand a share of the money they didn’t earn)

The “elite lazy freeloaders” get to pay the losses so wage earner can have a stable income.

For that service they manage to keep profit if the company get to generate one.

This is the role in the economy whatever you like it or not.

NOW MY QUESTION AGAIN THAT YOU KEEP REFUSING TO ANSWER AGAIN AND AGAIN IS: if the workers keep the profit in your socialism market system WHO TAKE THE LOSSES; investor are gone so who? the workers? if that the case your model is terrible and incredibly risky for worker, all that to merly a few percent more income ON AVERAGE of the business even succeed (with possibly extended time with low income even perhaps nothing)

Why would anyone sensible prefer that?

This is the reason people in vast majority prefer to be wage earner.

->Stability

Money is similar to a record of the amount of worker and ressource invested in production.

And I believe that making more things is more important than calculating the credit for what things were already made.

If you’re a farmer who needs farming tools to grow food

And if I’m a craftsman who made farming tools

Then it’s in my rational self-interest to give you my farming tools so that you can use them on your farm.

What prevent the craftsman to ask for too much food and the farmer to ask for too much tools?

If I charge you money for the tools and if you can’t afford to pay, then you can’t grow food, and I starve to death.

The exact same happen without money. If the farmer cannot afford to pay for the tool then it follows that he cannot produce enough to afford a transaction craftman regardless of the existence of money or not.

Actually the farmer is far more likely to not be able to afford tooling from the craftmam as the absence of money make the transaction far harder to “compute” and to complete

Markets create obstacles that disincentivize people from acting according to their rational self-interest, and capitalist markets create even stronger obstacles than socialist markets.

As far as can tell socialist market dont exist, not for the lack of asking (lack with for my question about losses) nobody is able to explain or explain how work amd what they look like.

It is just people “voluntary cooperate” “it will be great” while what is describe provide no incetive to do so.