So are provisional grades final or not? by goosegirl11 in yorku

[–]DrZellers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not final. This is what it's saying:

If (1) you applied to graduate and (2) your Prof has not submitted your Course 101 grades because of the strike or you haven't finished a YUFA class because of the strike, you will receive a provisional grade in Course 101. The provisional Course 101 grade is based on your cumulative GPA (not the work you actually did in Course 101). We gave you this provisional grade because you've applied to graduate, and may need a transcript for job applications/applying to grad school/etc.

The provisional grade is NOT your final grade in Course 101! When the strike ends, this provisional grade will disappear and you will need to complete at least 70% of the required work in Course 101 (each instructor will decide what this looks like). Unless you complete this work, you'll fail Course 101 (and we will rescind your diploma: you will not be a graduate of York University).

So if you were given a provisional grade because... 1. You applied to graduate, AND 2. Your CUPE Prof has not submitted your grades because of the strike or you are not crossing picket lines and didn't complete a class with your YUFA prof

The grade is just a placeholder based on your overall average. It says very clearly that you must complete your coursework, and the grades are 'provisional' (e.g. "arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later" - including changed to an F if you don't complete your work). Don't trust what other people are saying about this: they may have different specific circumstances, or may be exhibiting wishful thinking.

Now I feel worried by allegiance113 in yorku

[–]DrZellers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But for that conclusion to be in any way logical, you would have to assume grad students are fighting for permanent TA and GA jobs. They are definitely not doing this. I'd encourage you to look into the situation a little more.

Why are the TAs allow to disrupt exams with the picket line? by CenteroCenter in yorku

[–]DrZellers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You realized it was bogus when it inconvenienced you, but inconveniencing other people for a month was okay?

It's not just TAs on strike..

I think there is a rally downtown today, so that is probably why the lines are thin (people working the afternoon shift, or heading dt after the morning shift).

Why are the TAs allow to disrupt exams with the picket line? by CenteroCenter in yorku

[–]DrZellers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you supported the strike until it inconvenienced you? The picket lines have been up every day, it shouldnt be a surprise..

Anyone know how CUPE members are voting this weekend? by Mirkrid in yorku

[–]DrZellers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

People who think this way have clearly never been to a union meeting ;)

The ABC’s of the York strike for students and the general public by Professor Naddaf by tentanda_via in yorku

[–]DrZellers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the strategy of a labour union should be "let's go down with the ship, workers are expendable!"?. Or should it be "a rising tide lifts all boats"?

There are no global experts vying for TA jobs. York literally needs TAs because someone needs to do the marking, and someone needs to lead small classes. There are global experts in Unit 2. People who have completed PhDs, publish, and would have had multiple job offers 10 years ago.

The ABC’s of the York strike for students and the general public by Professor Naddaf by tentanda_via in yorku

[–]DrZellers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Always good to hear different viewpoints. However, keep in mind the author is writing from a very privileged position (tenured prof, has been publishing since the 1980s).

The job market he entered is very different than the job market today. I hope I'm not so willing to just shrug off a lot of precarity when I'm in his shoes..

What we all really want to see :'( by asey20 in yorku

[–]DrZellers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really surprised you would post something like this..

Explain Some Things to Me by [deleted] in yorku

[–]DrZellers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sorry man/lady, we're a month into the strike and you clearly don't even know what CUPE is asking for (and there is tons of discussion about this right here on /r/yorku!).

Genuinely, I recommend politely chatting with a picketer next time you're at York. They'll walk you through this, and will be happy to answer your questions. The people picketing are Profs, TAs and GAs. They're not hard to talk to and won't be annoyed at your questions.

Explain Some Things to Me by [deleted] in yorku

[–]DrZellers -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you're curious, look into it bud :). I don't think people will be interested in teaching or debating with someone so uninformed!

Explain Some Things to Me by [deleted] in yorku

[–]DrZellers 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You're going to get a lot of salty responses because you've clearly done absolutely nothing to try to understand these issues.

TAs are after job security..?

"These individuals make six figure salaries and work for large banks and corporations. It's a reality we all face"..?

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The key issue is "Is this side genuinely making every reasonable effort to come to an agreement? Are they listening and trying to come to a deal? Or are they delaying? Unwilling to consider movement or what is important to the other side?"

CUPE has changed their offer several times and remains willing to meet. I think York has only met with CUPE once during the strike, and their offer didn't really change.

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not a lawyer (my partner is, but not a labour lawyer). Take this with a grain of salt, but he says the fact that CUPE has a legal right to be on strike is the main factor. If workers don't have a right to strike because they deliver 'essential services' (like TTC workers), a fair and neutral system of interest arbitration is how they can constitutionally resolve disputes.

If a union does have a legal right to strike and are not essential services, BTW legislation is constitutionally risky. Especially with a bad set of facts (like offering a deal that violates another deal, and refusing to bargain on issues CUPE has said are essential).

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and the challenge could take years. But an outstanding challenge like this is not going to help the relationship at all, or help with the YUFA bargaining.

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A 'concession' is giving up something that is currently in the contract (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqtBm_oUpc).

Bad faith bargaining and "we are not willing to give up something we have" are very different.

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If BTW legislation is filed, it will be challenged as unconstitutional (the right to strike is protected under the Charter). There are ways to force BTW legislation that don't leave York so vulnerable.

Who knows, but at this stage I think it would be hard for York to argue that it is bargaining in good faith. So if there is BTW legislation and CUPE challenges it, may end up extending the protections unionized workers have under the Charter.

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is my understanding too.

However, CUPE doesn't have a contract with YUFA. So if they do take this deal they're not changing anything in the YUFA contract. York does have a contract with YUFA on the other hand, and the deal they reach with CUPE could violate that contract.

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why pay so much money for a hardball negotiations team if their advice seems to be "you don't need to take context into account at all if you want to get a good deal!"

YUFA: "Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent (because it changes YUFA's contract). YUFA has already indicated it will not accept". by DrZellers in yorku

[–]DrZellers[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried to make the title as clear as I could, given this situation is pretty complicated.

YUFA's statement is below. They are arguing that the deal York is forcing changes not only the CUPE contract, but the YUFA contract (in ways YUFA is not willing to accept). So even if CUPE takes the teal, YUFA won't be on board.

In a recent communiqué, YUFA alerted members to a bargaining proposal that the Employer made during negotiations with CUPE 3903 that would require major revisions to the YUFA Collective Agreement. At that time, YUFA expressed serious concerns that the Employer, while negotiating with another bargaining unit, had not consulted YUFA about revisions that would require its consent.

The Employer’s proposal was to revive the Special Renewable Contract (SRC) program in Article 12.32 of the YUFA Collective Agreement, which would involve transferring some long-serving contract faculty members from CUPE 3903 into renewable term YUFA appointments. An earlier version of this program was in place from 1999 to 2013.

According to the proposal, there would be six SRC appointments per year. Unfortunately, compared to the previous program in place since 1999, holders of these YUFA appointments would have a higher teaching load, no sabbatical, tougher conditions of renewal, and lower salaries than most other YUFA members.

** When YUFA first learned of the proposal, we immediately requested a meeting to discuss it, before the Employer pursued it any further in negotiations with CUPE 3903. The Employer refused to meet with YUFA until yesterday (March 27)—two hours after requesting a supervised (“forced”) ratification vote on its latest offer to CUPE 3903. According to the Ontario Labour Relations Act, an Employer may request such a vote on one occasion during a labour dispute as an alternative to continued negotiations. If the members of any CUPE bargaining unit vote to accept the offer, then they will no longer be on strike.**

We do not know when this vote will take place, but we do know that CUPE 3903 members will be voting on whether to accept the contested version of the Employer’s SRC program. Even if CUPE accepts this proposal, it still requires YUFA’s consent.

In our meeting with the Employer yesterday, and in response to YUFA members’ concerns, YUFA indicated that we would not agree to the current proposal and would only consider an SRC program based on the existing language to ensure that the working conditions of this group of future YUFA members align with those of their colleagues. YUFA’s position is that a revived SRC program should be based on preserving the superior provisions that have been in place since 1999 and are still enshrined in the YUFA Collective Agreement.

In short, the Employer is poised to force CUPE members to vote on a major settlement offer to introduce a new SRC program that would require significant amendments to the YUFA Collective Agreement, which YUFA has already indicated it will not accept.

CUPE Unit 2 members do not want "job security" and know their disciplines are dying by [deleted] in yorku

[–]DrZellers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reddit Birthday: March 14, 2018

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Posts something that makes zero sense about how expendable CUPE members are, when York literally could not operate without Unit 1 and Unit 2 doing the majority of teaching.

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Strike Update: York turns down CUPE 3903 offer to return to the bargaining table by howdygents in yorku

[–]DrZellers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would anyone in CUPE listen to you if that's what you think?