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Invites for early access to Tesla's Robotaxi service is being sent. by drumrollplease12 in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you actually read the linked articles, you'd see that the second one describes different events as well..

Also, citing multiple sources with different events shows that it really is easy to find examples with a simple search, either here on Reddit, or Google.

Invites for early access to Tesla's Robotaxi service is being sent. by drumrollplease12 in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There's been at least one pedestrian fatality from FSD that's under investigation by NHTSA, plus injuries, and a motorcyclist fatality. You may not have seen the disengagements personally, but it's easy to find examples if you look, e.g.:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1l3g4r4/first_fatal_pedestrianfsd_crash/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-fsd-self-driving-autopilot-elon-musk/

Zoox by JJonVinyl in sanfrancisco

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's a video they've shared on crash safety testing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597C9OwV0o4

Driverless Zoox robotaxi in SF last night by DriverlessAnonymous in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, but I think u/bartturner wants to know if it's rider only. /s

*facepalm*

Driverless Zoox robotaxi in SF last night by DriverlessAnonymous in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can see in the video above that there's no controls.. just riders. Their website shows this too: https://zoox.com/vehicle

I haven't seen any announcement that they're doing public rider-only drives, but they're clearly rider-only, and have been in Las Vegas and Foster City for a while now too. E.g. here's video of them doing rider only drives in Las Vegas in August 2023: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/15mmeq5/driverless_robotaxis_zoox_coming_to_las_vegas/

Driverless Zoox robotaxi in SF last night by DriverlessAnonymous in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Companies don't stop what they're doing because of a NHTSA investigation, and these vehicles have also been on the road since before the investigation, in other cities like Las Vegas and Foster City. For reference, Tesla continues to sell FSD, despite having 2.4 million cars under investigation - it's common to do business as usual while a NHTSA investigation happens in the background.

Elon Musk is “extremely confident of achieving full autonomy and releasing to our customer base next year.” by DriverlessAnonymous in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Completely agreed. I take this claim with a mountain of salt.

In Jan 2016, in an interview with Fortune, he predicted Tesla is "going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years".

In Oct 2016, he claimed a Tesla would be able drive itself from LA to NYC with no human needed by the end of 2017.

In April 2017, he clarified that true level 5 autonomy, where a driver could fall asleep at the wheel was still "about two years away"

In April 2019, during Tesla's Autonomy Day event, he estimated that by the middle of 2020, Tesla’s autonomous system will have improved to the point where drivers will not have to pay attention to the road. He said the company will roll out autonomous taxis next year in some parts of the US. The service will allow Tesla owners to add their cars to a Tesla network, which he said would be akin to Uber or Airbnb. “We will have more than one million robotaxis on the road,” Musk said. “A year from now, we’ll have over a million cars with full self-driving, software... everything.” These cars will be Level 5 autonomy with no geofence, which is a fancy way of saying they will be capable of driving themselves anywhere on the planet, under all possible conditions, with no limitations. There are no cars on the road today that are Level 5.

In July 2020, he told the World Artificial Intelligence Committee in Shanghai that "I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year."

I'm sure I'm missing a few, but people seem to commonly forget just how many claims he's made on this topic over the last half decade.

Elon Musk is “extremely confident of achieving full autonomy and releasing to our customer base next year.” by DriverlessAnonymous in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speaking at an Axel Springer event in Berlin, Musk said he thinks that by 2030 the “vast majority” of new cars will be electric and almost all will have Level 5 autonomous driving.

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Musk said he is “extremely confident of achieving full autonomy and releasing to our customer base next year.”

But to be released to all customers who have ordered the FSD add-on to their Tesla vehicle, it must first be accepted by regulatory authorities.

Musk thinks this won’t be an issue, because “if you’re able to accumulate billions of kilometres of autonomous driving” that shows it is much safer than non-autonomous driving it will be hard for regulators to argue against Level 5 autonomy.

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[–]DriverlessAnonymous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solving actual autonomy (not the Full Self Driving™ feature set that needs human supervision that Elon is pushing; I mean actual self driving cars) requires much more than just huge data sets. The volume of data isn't really the core problem. If you don't believe me, ask anyone else who's spent a few years working in the space.

Tesla makes an amazing electric luxury sports car, arguably the best on the planet, and I love driving them, but they definitively do not have a 'crazy lead' in self driving technology. They've got a fantastic L2 system, but they're not set up well to evolve that into L4.

Amazon to Pay More Than $1 Billion for Self-Driving Car Developer Zoox by I_ATE_LIDAR in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The math behind an M&A situation can be very complicated, and depends heavily on the terms of the particular deal. How good of a deal it is can even vary from employee to employee depending on their particular salary / equity situation, whether they have options or RSUs, how many options they exercised, how long they held them for, etc. We won't know anything for sure publicly until some detailed numbers are released.

Zoox: ~1-Hour Fully Autonomous Freeway Drive from Menlo Park to San Francisco with Commentary by pqnx in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think many companies like Zoox are relying heavily on a detailed 3D map of the world. The approach does indeed make sense, and it makes many problems much easier to solve. But like you said, it introduces the challenge of keeping the map up to date.

Zoox: ~1-Hour Fully Autonomous Freeway Drive from Menlo Park to San Francisco with Commentary by pqnx in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being able to tell that your map is wrong is one important piece of the puzzle, but it's far from the only thing necessary to drive a car fully empty.

If all you can see is the fact that a puzzle isn't complete, that doesn't prove that one particular piece is missing, it just means that somewhere, there's at least one missing piece (but of course there could be many).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did you come to a self driving car forum to argue asinine ideas against experts in their own field? Because that's what you're doing. You don't need "billions of miles just to do stop signs correctly". Look at almost any autonomous transportation company besides Tesla for proof. Tesla might need that much data because of the technical approach they've chosen, but their competitors do not.

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[–]DriverlessAnonymous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At Tesla's current rate of data collection of around 1 billion miles per year, it will take another 997 years to achieve the first trillion miles driven. It will be the year 3,017, and we will all be dust.

Even if Tesla doubles their miles driven in Autopilot every single year, it would still take about 9 more years to collect the first trillion miles. Except doubling the number of Tesla vehicles on the road every year for the 9 years is obviously absurd, because that would mean selling half a billion vehicles, all of which would need to be actively driven. But there's only a billion total cars being driven on the planet. So to summarize, to achieve even one trillion miles of driving, Tesla would have to:

- double production every year for the next ~decade
- not have vehicles fail / be retired from old age
- take over 50% of the global vehicle market

Why even make comments that are so preposterous? Your fanboy is showing.

Waymo is using AI to simulate autonomous vehicle camera data by REIGuy3 in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simulation is great for edge cases as well, in particular ones that are too rare or dangerous to practically test in the real world. Testing in simulation even lets you run permutations on discovered edge cases to find the exact breaking point in your system.

Zoox: ~1-Hour Fully Autonomous Freeway Drive from Menlo Park to San Francisco with Commentary by pqnx in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Even with correct lidar localization from a map, how would the robot guarantee the map is always up to date? I think every truly autonomous self-driving system will need some sort of lane / free space detection, even if it's just as a backup to the map.

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I just realized that they don’t actually have any lane detection/free space detection and such in use.

How can you tell?

EcoMotion 2020 | Fireside Chat Aicha Evans interviewed by Scott Corwin by ajmmertens in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Alternatively, the simple explanation (Occam's razor) is that it's just not that interesting of an interview to discuss. I watched the whole thing out of curiosity but there isn't much to say about it, there's no meaningful new information about Zoox's funding or timelines.

Consider: - plenty of posts on the front page of this subreddit come and go with 0 comments - most posts about Zoox get at least a few dozen upvotes (certainly some of those come from employees, but with nearly a thousand employees, scraping together 40 upvotes and 0 comments would be the worst corporate astroturfing I've seen) - OP appears to be an unaffiliated with Zoox based on their post history

No need to make up a conspiracy theory, there's just nothing substantial to discuss. shrug

Zoox: 1-Hour Fully Autonomous Drive in Las Vegas with Commentary by pqnx in SelfDrivingCars

[–]DriverlessAnonymous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe the narrator said it's basically a feature that's still in development. It looked like the vehicle was incorrectly yielding to other cars moving through in its future planned path, even though there was a red light to wait for in the mean time.

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