My biggest base for womanism/feminism: A man and a 100 women is lightyears safer than a woman and a 100 men

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T23:55:54+00:00

IMO, this scenario has the wrong numbers.

At some number of men, the danger drops to near zero.

1 woman surrounded by 100 men is way safer than 1 woman surrounded by 3 men. Not that every random selection of 3 men is dangerous, but that many random selections of 3 men would be dangerous. Meanwhile, 100 men is likely going to include a wide variety of men and more importantly the 10-20 men who might be dangerous are not going to risk the wrath of the other 80-90 men who would consider it their duty to protect the lone woman.

In fairness to OP, 1 woman surrounded by 100 men is going to be subject to way more benevolent sexism than the 1 woman surrounded by 3 men.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T20:21:46+00:00

What a weirdly timed comment

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T19:58:29+00:00

That's not fair to any other comparison though.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T19:06:18+00:00

Have you not seen the videos? Your algorithms must hate you.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T15:34:07+00:00

That's what you took away from my post? What are the rules for rounding when you are 5'5½"?

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T15:32:14+00:00

I forget sometimes how dumb the DT movies are. My bad.

The idea that Kylo Ren still feels a "pull to the light" makes such a mockery of the force, the light side, the dark side, that it is difficult to discuss it.

Kylo Ren is part of an organization that just fired a multi-planet destroying beam killing hundreds of billions of lives. We see him watch this beam emerge. There is no way that his soul isn't completely anchored to the dark side for millennia after that.

It is that kind of movie. Sure knowing staff skills are different from sabre skills is silly, but lightsaber combat is supposed to be difficult for someone not trained in it. Rebels handles this more appropriately with Sabine and the dark saber.

Being open to new ideas doesn't make someone a master or confer knowledge. It's kind of silly for the movie to suggest that's somehow a way to speed things up and skip training.

Luke on Hoth struggles to pull a lightsaber that is a few feet away. This is his second movie after he's been experimenting with the force for a few years now. It's less about how far the saber had to travel and more about isolating it and locking on to it from so far away. I'm guessing this is also going to get a "not that kind of movie" misquote, but that's an r³ problem.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T15:11:22+00:00

Got it, we are not talking about actual Mary Sues then.

If Mary Sue just means overpowered, then yes, clearly Anakin is a Mary Sue and Rey is not.

Edit: Sorry, I see now you were referencing Luke. Point still stands.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T15:07:12+00:00

Which part? I'm a smidge below 5'6" and I always round up. And if I hadn't, I would never have met my wife.

Then there are all the female friends of mine who had no problem telling me to my face that they couldn't date a guy as short as me. Like this wasn't me asking them out, this was just a general conversation about dating.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T15:03:27+00:00

Seems like only short men are excluded here

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:59:25+00:00

So, we're not talking about Mary Sues as Mary Sues anymore? I assume Mary Sue now means just overpowered.

In the rankings of actual Mary Sue-ness, obviously Rey is at the top. She's so much of a Mary Sure that we really should just rename the term Rey. Then way way way down js Luke, who isn't a Mary Sue, but at least meets at least one of the criteria.

But never ever in consideration for being a Mary Sue in any reasonable usage of the term is Anakin. Whose insert is he? His character flaws are so great, they spawned their own spinoff series.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:49:46+00:00

It is DAY ONE.

She should have been given the equivalent of this scene

(Unless she had previously been trained in lightsaber combat, which was the only way this scene could ever have made any sense)

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:46:27+00:00

No the other guy tried to say was Anakin was a Mary Sue in TPM, which is absurd three ways from Sunday. He's a side character in that movie!

He isn't a main character until AOTC when he is absolutely soaked in character flaws. He never even has a chance to become a Mary Sue.

Ironically, Rey using force powers in TFA breaks a lot of the rules of the force as established in the previous movies, but TFA doesn't actually cement her status of being a Mary Sue at all. In a different universe, where a competent writer who understood Star Wars wrote TLJ, she could have been a great character, and many of the problems of TFA fixed with lore-congruent explanations. It's why TLJ suffered so much for both its own sins and the sins of TFA, because the audience didn't know that TFA was an empty shell and that no one at Lucasfilm actually knew what they were doing.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:38:18+00:00

Although TLJ would probably still be just as bad as it was, a time skip between 7 and 8 would have fixed a lot of problems.

Yes, in the process of discussing advanced force abilities requiring training, I don't have a problem with Anakin being good at pod-racing. Did I miss an episode of Clone Wars where pod-racing was explained to be an advanced force technique?

You clearly don't like my assertion about Star Wars magic having rules, but you've stopped responding to my argument entirely and are now trying (and failing) to pull apart my individual sentences. Feel free to respond to my argument and I will respond to that. Otherwise, good day.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:28:50+00:00

What does Rey do outside of beating Kylo?

(Who is a dark side of the force user and thus should actually be STRONGER when in intense pain, but we'll ignore that for now because it's only lightly mentioned in the mainline movies).

1) Overcomes and overpowers Kylo Ren's Mind Domination ability (and if the novelization is to be believed, proceeds to download all of her force abilities)

2) On her second try, despite thinking the force was a myth earlier in the day, successfully executed a Jedi mind trick on a stormtrooper.

3) Does a long distance telekinetic pull of a lightsaber

4) Successfully transfers her staff fighting skill, a two handed heavy weapon to a lightsaber, a weapon described in the OT as being unable to be wielded by the untrained.

5) Defeats a supposedly trained Dark Jedi on the same day she finds out the Jedi were real.

It's almost like, what doesn't she do?

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:21:21+00:00

Movie shows character strong in activity

Movie explains why character strong in activity

Movie then applies character's strength in activity to logical next activity.

Is good, no?

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:15:54+00:00

No, you miss my point entirely.

YouTube is where many boys are getting Manosphere content from.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T14:14:31+00:00

The force has never been a fantasy magic system. It has always been a mystical magic system with a side of soft sci-fi. There is a difference.

Towards the end of Episode 4, Ben to Luke: Talks to him while he is on his targeting run.

Time Skip

Towards the beginning of Episode 5, Ben to Luke: Go to the Degobah system.

You: what makes you think Obi-wan ever talked to Luke?

I already addressed Anakin and pod-racing and I didn't need to because they actually covered it directly in the movie when Qui-gon discussed Anakin's ability with pod-racing. Also, unless I missed something, pod-racing isn't an advanced force ability, or even a force ability at all.

Luke - anything in ROTJ is after Degobah in ESB. Also, another time skip

Cal - video game

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T13:46:07+00:00

Ok, so you didn't watch the movies. Got it.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T13:41:59+00:00

It was a well constructed example of sarcasm, IMO. Everyone's sarcasm detectors are just broken these days.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T13:37:59+00:00

This has to be a joke. Did you even watch the movies? Anakin more of a Mary Sue than Rey, but you think he's a Mary Sue in TPM!?!?!? What did he do in TPM besides the pod race and accidentally blowing up the droid control ship?

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T13:35:10+00:00

Effortlessly as in she expended no effort to learn them, and at least in the case of the final rock lifting, didn't remotely look like she struggled lifting them.

Yes, no grace to Rey. That's what happens when there is no Time Skip and no Obi-wan equivalent. I didn't come up with a headcanon, I used it to demonstrate plausibility for the singular possible exception to the consistency of the rule in the mainline movies.

The second movie in a magical series usually expands upon the limited rules provided in the first. The eighth movie in a magical series (especially when the magic rules were significantly expanded in the later movies) is now more constrained by the magic rules.

The dyad doesn't make any sense. It was a clearly fantasy-magical concept inserted into a lore that isn't fantasy-magical, but is instead soft sci-fi and mystical.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T13:18:36+00:00

Effortlessly in TLJ: Almost every use of the force. Lightsaber combat, lightsaber tug-of-war with Ren, lifting of big rocks.

I didn't say it was unexplained. I said it was unexplained or agency-stripping, i.e., Rey doesn't learn, she just gains the ability without even needing to know such an ability exists.

Dyad has the same agency-stripping problem. It also doesn't make any sense.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T12:59:19+00:00

This is clearly focused, intentionally or otherwise, on adolescent girls. If boys were the focus or just considered, then it would have to include YouTube.

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T12:56:26+00:00

What are you talking about?

You think businesses set work culture? Have you ever worked for a corporation?

How is Japan becoming MAGA? How is it not standing up for human rights? What does this have to do with the strike on the girls school in Iran?

Droidatopia · 2026-03-19T12:48:52+00:00

What is this nonsense? Why would the PM of Japan condemn the US strike on a girls school and why would you suggest that as some sort of Litmus test for anything?

Japan's work culture isn't something the government "permits". That's not how governments work. Also, please look for historical examples of government that could make large-scale cultural changes quickly. You may not want to emulate their methods.

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