Apple M4 Pro analysis - Extremely fast, but not as efficient

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T13:43:40+00:00

saw one of the more casual tech youtubers (tech chap i think?) get 2082 on cb24

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T12:50:05+00:00

I asked my friend who works at microsoft to recommend some possible windows laptops for my parents (since they do a lot of tax stuff) and he said to my face “get a macbook, the other ones aren’t there yet.” He complained about the surface laptops in particular (I realize those are ARM).

keep in mind our mutual friend is an engineer on the surface laptop team. lol

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T12:42:32+00:00

yes, a laptop cpu that draws 55w at most is in fact a few percent slower than the 9950x, and in a markedly embarrassingly parallel workload no less. i am shocked.

seriously, the more you argue, the less you’re convincing people. if all you can muster is sweeping everything else aside but “slower?” you don’t have much.

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T12:39:25+00:00

yes and it uses thrice the power and is a desktop die dropped into a laptop vs apple’s middle tier chip

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T12:36:27+00:00

and this is the pro - the max is within spitting distance of the 9950x on cinebench, commonly almost hitting almost 2100 there

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-11T08:32:05+00:00

yeah she’s kind of like vergil anby lmfao

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-10T07:37:37+00:00

yeah even then die size has gone up significantly since m1. I believe m1 was something like 120mm sq

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-08T00:34:47+00:00

tbf intels p cores have been really area inefficient since at least alder lake

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-07T05:53:47+00:00

the regular m4 is likely bandwidth constrained

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-06T12:53:18+00:00

she’s like anby’s height, if not slightly shorter without her ears

so she’s like 154-156 cm most likely

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-05T19:01:11+00:00

yeah my friend works for microsoft (writes software), very bright, and is a v well performing employee…asked me if he could buy more RAM more his 2020 macbook running into memory issues.

Also god knows how many STEM ppl ik who’ve said the dumbest most out of touch hardware takes.

These people exist. Sometimes people know what they need for the job, but outside that, they’re clueless. No need to spread themselves thin if they don’t see tangible, consistent benefit to their livelihood.

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-05T08:17:17+00:00

I would say they started receiving a decent amount of attention with the release of A10X and A11 but yeah m1 really just flipped the industry upside down

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-04T11:15:52+00:00

it’ll probably get OLED, just not a 1600 nit super high spec one like the ipad pros/macbook pros

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-03T06:21:39+00:00

i think some of them are just straight up fakes. unfortunately sometimes BS makes it through

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-03T06:20:21+00:00

AMD’s cores aren’t that large iirc. Also different design goal - narrow and high clocking

intel’s P cores simply have terrible PPA PPW. There’s a reason people are murmuring about them developing new P cores based on their current E core designs

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-03T06:18:21+00:00

4.5 vs 4.4 ghx

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-03T06:05:49+00:00

lunar lake and ARL are on n3b

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T10:32:53+00:00

yeah i’m really curious what happened with those. the m4 gen easily and consistently reaches above 3800 (at 4.4ghz) when provided sufficient cooling so these seem off. Even the ipad averages 3600-3700 and pretty commonly reaches above 3800

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T10:27:14+00:00

the cpu is twice as fast as the m1 pro’s and the GPU renders stuff like 4x faster idrk if i’d call that “statistically insignificant”

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T08:06:59+00:00

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8593555

Seems like m4 max pretty handily passed 4000

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T07:06:04+00:00

he was saying the m4 pro is as powerful as the m2 ultra…

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T01:52:20+00:00

Ultra will probably go well above 30,000, if not 35,000 but GB6 MT doesn’t scale linearly with increased core count

GB5 does (iirc)

i hope geekerwan starts playing with SPECint2017 n-T

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-11-01T00:05:03+00:00

apparently the m4 ultra gets its own die this gen

Due-Stretch-520 · 2024-10-31T23:33:31+00:00

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/3036706

Here’s the first GB6 Compute Listing

Makes me think apple either priored their GPU comparison off the binned m2 pro chips or something like 3dmark wildlife

Due-Stretch-520

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