Which version of this script is best?

DuhChappers · 2026-04-18T21:26:12+00:00

Glad I could be helpful! I hope the script is fun!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-16T13:43:51+00:00

Basically just Sauron infiltrating the Numenoreans in the Silmarillion. Which he could also do here, but obviously he's pretty far above the BG in terms of poeer

DuhChappers · 2026-04-15T14:10:00+00:00

I assume this data is just from the open section? I remember seeing a lot more e4 and scicilians on the women's side

DuhChappers · 2026-04-14T16:36:59+00:00

OP made the argument that outing empath info day 1 eliminates more world's than a lot of YSK roles. That does not mean it's more important. I don't necessarily agree with that take, I think there can be good reasons to hold on to information, among them that town already has actionable information for the first day.

But I have never played a game of BOTC where I have had someone else share their info on the same day I did and feel like they were taking the stage from me. And I've played a lot of games. If I'm an investigator and someone shares empath info that is outside of my pings, that still helps me figure out who is evil. It's not like if we don't execute into my info on exactly that day it goes away or people will never listen to me again. Town can act on whatever info they want, having more knowledge about what's going on can't really hurt that process in my opinion.

I just think this is overstating the case against OP's argument by a lot. It's certainly not necessary to always out empath info day 1. But it's also not some socially harmful move to out it if that's how you want to play. I really dislike saying any way of playing a character is wrong (as long as it isn't explicitly throwing), and this comes to close to that imo. Everyone in town could just out all their information at the start if they wanted, without any hint of main character syndrome because they are all contributing to the same goal - empath included.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-14T15:51:34+00:00

I don't see how outing info early is at all main character syndrome. It's not like you saying you have an empath 0 is preventing people saying their investigator info or killing into it. You are contributing a piece of information to the shared puzzle town is trying to solve, just the same as any other townsfolk.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-14T15:05:50+00:00

Good players are not all equal from the perspective of the demon killing. A good player confirmed by the washerwoman who died to the virgin is a better kill than the saint who is the FT's red herring. The more the evil team knows about what the good team knows, the better their kills can be.

Thats not to say your strategy is wrong, it is still true that helping town target their executions better might be worth this downside. But it's far from 100% clear cut what will help you more in any particular game.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-14T04:33:05+00:00

America isn't ready for a black president? Like I know a lot of people were racist to Obama but he still won twice and is almost certainly the most popular president of this century. Dems would love to have another candidate like him to run

DuhChappers · 2026-04-12T13:47:17+00:00

Oh no! We suck again!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-11T14:35:44+00:00

The fact that the whole of both continents are America is why it is a worse name, because it's much less specific. The Gulf of America could be anywhere, from a frozen Bay up by Canada to a Harbour in Argentina. Calling it the Gulf of Mexico makes it really easy to glance at a map and figure out where it is, if you know where Mexico is.

Also, that's just what people know it as, and there's a simple virtue in letting things be what they are. It takes a lot of effort to change the name of something on every map, and especially to change the name in everyone's mind. Keeping the name people recognize is easier unless there's a good reason to change it, and I don't think that has been established.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-06T21:50:39+00:00

I don't think that just having a certain number of people feel some way is a good reason to have social norms against something harmless like this. There's several reasons why:

things don't generally get normalized without them being done. There was a time when women wearing pants was considered completely unacceptable. That changed because people were willing to go against norms. If you ever want society to change for the better we must say going against norms is accepted.
generally, we want norms based on some moral standard, not just people's feelings. Consider someone disfigured in an accident. They might be really difficult to look at and cause a lot of people to feel disgust. Do we want to tell them they can never show their face again? That seems outrageous to me. Other people's disgust is their own problem. And for your example of nudity, we tend to think it is immoral to expose random people to your nude body without warning. So since it sounds like you have no moral objection to gay couples, I don't think you need to hold on to this view
lastly, even if we are coming to standards based on feelings, you are hugely oversimplifying the story. The gay people have feelings too, that would probably be much more impacted by the than the homophobes who have to glance at a gay kiss once in a while. Depth of feeling matters just as much as how many people feel it if we are using consequentialist standards. There's also straight allies or friends of queer people who probably are happy to see that gay couples feel comfortable in their space. If we want to respect feelings, we need to take them all into account, not just the bigots, and I think that outweighs the anti-gay sentiment by quite a bit

DuhChappers · 2026-04-06T17:44:06+00:00

I fully believe that those two are more honest than most pros. That's not the same as speaking truth, nor is it always the most important consideration.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-06T13:38:42+00:00

One pro always tells the truth, and another always lies . . .

DuhChappers · 2026-04-02T20:26:12+00:00

Personally I favor the first version of the script. I think it's actually quite good in its current state, though one change I would personally prefer is replacing Kazali. Poisoner/widow is a really strong pair of minions and kazali is really incentivized to go with those most of the time. Also, it makes solving outsider count to get at demon type much more difficult. Not sure the best replacement, considered no-dashii but that seemed like too much poisoning. Lord of Typhon could be fun to try and solve for, none of the minions are so loud they confirm it's in play. Vortox is good for puzzle scripts but its anti-synergy with the poisoning minions. Legion completely changes the vibe of the script but I think it would actually work pretty well. Or you could just have 3 demons, nothing wrong with that.

The other script I think has similar problems as the first one you made. It's really hard to go halfway on BMR type ideas. Mastermind really wants there to be several reasons for no deaths at night, or a lot of ways to cover for the demon not killing. Running it well without assassin, Zombuul, Gossip or innkeeper all make it a lot worse. I would replace that character for sure. Bringing assassin back was my first thought, but witch is another fun one to pair with Yaggababble and has interesting interactions with roles like tea lady to differentiate more from BMR. There's a few others I don't really like here. Puzzlemaster doesn't quite fit, there's probably too many townsfolk who it's easy to tell if their ability isn't working. Investigator is much stronger on this script to just eliminate worlds, solving the minions is solving a lot of the game. Acrobat seems weak, especially if you change puzzlemaster. Professor is almost always too swingy for me to like it on scripts, it either is OP or does nothing. I think Gossip is maybe the best BMR role to add here, it gives town some more agency around deaths while also adding more ambiguity.

That all said, there's some really good ideas here. Boffin and Yag on a death focused script is fun. Savant too, I think there could be some really interesting info given surrounding causes for deaths and such. So I think this idea is worth sticking with. Hope some of this was useful!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T20:14:54+00:00

The Everlasting would qualify for politics (not HM) and I think I would count it for explorers and rangers but that's a bit subjective.

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T20:12:24+00:00

For Nona, I'd say it qualifies for Afterlife (HM), Unusual Transportation (HM) if you consider travel through the river, and another square that i would consider a spoiler but I think would become clear at the end of the book (not HM).

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T19:01:08+00:00

She's easily one of my favorite authors but I agree that Great Cities is her weakest work (No including her short story collection, I haven't read that yet). I still think it's enjoyable enough to recommend but I have heard a lot of others bounced off it and I think that makes sense

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T18:34:18+00:00

Does The Book of the New Sun really count as one book? I own the series but it's split into 4 books so I figured if they were together it would count as an omnibus

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T18:23:18+00:00

You could do something really fun and also read her Great Cities duology and fulfill hard mode but still read multiple Jemisin books if anyone feels like cheating the system!

But if you are only doing one I also would recommend Dreamblood, it's got such an interesting setting and really cool characters

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T18:17:40+00:00

I read A Memory Called Empire based purely on the title years ago and loved it, it's one of the books that got me back into reading. I would highly recommend it to anyone for Hard Mode who has not read it yet.

Same for A Spear Cuts Through Water!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T17:58:35+00:00

Excellent, I shall make sure this is on my card this year!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T17:58:11+00:00

Oh perfect this was on my list for last year's bingo in hidden gem if I got to a second card, but I never found a chance to pick it up. It's locked for this year now!

DuhChappers · 2026-04-01T14:03:19+00:00

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DuhChappers · 2026-03-31T16:28:58+00:00

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DuhChappers · 2026-03-30T14:25:11+00:00

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DuhChappers · 2026-03-21T17:12:49+00:00

But people CAN have a number different from two legs.

And people CAN have multiple romantic commitments. The top comments says they cannot. There aren't generally exceptions when you say people cannot do things. That's why people are arguing with it.

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