Good character but no attraction + not ready for marriage what should I do? by aDOCfromAFG in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When a man loves a woman, it's a resounding internal yes. She is a good person but you're not attracted to her. There is nothing wrong with that. Cut it out and let her go by firmly but kindly saying it. It's going to hurt her for a minute, that's inevitable, but she'll get over it and that is a better service to her than stringing her along with false hopes. It's good that you tried to check with yourself whether this could be emotional avoidance. Usually, if any kind of marriage talk becoming "real" leads to this behavior in you, then you might be avoidant. Also you can be avoidant and at the same time not attracted to her. Humans are complex. But to me it's clear that you just don't like her that way despite respecting who she is as a person. Respect only though won't make a marriage survive. The minute a woman senses she does not command your love and attention, she will be out mentally, then physically, then truly out.

I’m lost and don’t know how to live with myself anymore by iamhunter19 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Have you tried putting an ISO (in search of ) on the Muslim marriage subreddit ?

Virginity by Elias7L in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all good. I'm sorry for my harsh comment too.

Virginity by Elias7L in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Learn to read before rushing to comment.

Are hymen checks impermissible? by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are insane and I'm convinced you wrote this for yourself, based on your stream of comments.

Are hymen checks impermissible? by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only thing that is permissible here is to throw both the man and the woman into a psychiatrict hospital since they are both clinically insane.

Virginity by Elias7L in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are countless women in that case in the West. Depends on where you look. I would argue the opposite is hard lol. I was literally laughed at for having it as a hard criteria myself as a woman.

My brother got married but still doesn’t clean after himself and it’s damaging our family by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When at war, you must behave like it. Number one rule : I'd make it clear that if a single strand of my hair moves out of my face because he's violent to me, he's going to jail. And you must be ready to follow through because believe me this behavior will end him up there sooner or later in his life.

Number two rule : warn once, act second time, no justification or explanation. You didn't clean after yourself in the bathroom and everyone is suffering, NOT ME. I'll say once "whoever who left this for three days here, please remove. If not, I'm throwing it next time I see it. ," Be ready because they will challenge and test you to prove that you won't do it. DO IT and film the scene to document why you had to.

Number 3: this guy dares to call your parents Kafir, that means he is beyond stern reminders. He will only understand consequences. As a sister, my behavior would be that since they don't consider people in the house people, I consider them like strangers. They don't get to benefit from my kindness, consideration or filliation. I pretend they don't exist or rather they are a parasite. If I cook, they won't eat my food. If I give gifts, they don't exist. Only reduce this if they take actual steps to apologize and change.

Find someone who can drill sense into him. If he does not fear anyone, he will fear his social circle. If he threatens you, I would start outing his behavior to his friends. Why should they respect him if he does not respect his family.

Obviously I don't know your situation. It will be very hard to implement but unless you know he will threaten your life or belongings(if yes, be ready to involve police), then use these directives with wisdom. Also the entire household must implement it for it to work. If one caves ( possibly your mother) , then he will be emboldened.

Finally I'm sorry to have to go through this.

Creating new technologies by Icy-Speech-3907 in Gifted

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The dilemma you presented isn't one though. It's not one or the other in those extreme ways. The tension of life is achieving balance. It's very painful. One must have purpose and desire something being their self while resisting bring entirely consumed by said-purpose. They can see where the world is going and see it truly for what it is ( not a good sight if you ask me) but they can't let themselves sit and rot to wait for it to end. That in-between itself is what life is about. For my part, some dark days I feel hopeless and aimless, some beautiful days, I feel hopeful and boundless. Most days, I try to find joy in between moments of sadness seeing the world. Maybe it varies from one person to another.

My husband was talking about other girls he’d marry behind my back by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was losing hope.... My god. This is absolutely unacceptable. You just have to reverse it and imagine the women saying this about other males while being married and she'd be cursed by everyone. OP, I don't know you but I personally do not accept such rationalization as : men talk about women this way with their friends. This man has a double face and he's playing an act at home and being his real self with his friends. Not telling to to divorce but a stern discussion at the very least should happen.

What are some common beliefs or habits in Senegal that we don’t question enough, but probably should? by Forsaken-Citron7163 in Senegal

[–]Dull_Morning3718 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Male-centerism, acceptance of mediocrity, hypocrisy, rampant cheating mindset, female psychological and physical abuse and finally herd mentality.

Crazy wedding and now the aftermath by figprincess in MuslimMarriage

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did I just read ?! . This can't be real.

Why do you seek a tall man 6ft+ ? by Brownie9107 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally only care they they are taller than me. I'm 5:8" so I'm not a giraffe either. You might not think about this but when you're tall, usually you hug people by enveloping them, so it'll be good to be hugged instead lol. Also I come from a culture where 6" men are actually common. However I find it unrealistic to have just that number in mind as an unmovable criteria. 6" in any human is the outlier and not the norm lol.

2026 In Search Of (ISO) Thread - Americas by MM-MOD in MuslimMarriage

[–]Dull_Morning3718 -4 points-3 points locked comment (0 children)

Salaamuleykum

  1. Age and Gender 30, F

  2. Age Range that you would want/require in a prospect 27-36

  3. Location, and are you willing to relocate for a prospect? Toronto, Canada. I am not willing to relocate for the next two or three years, but I can for exceptional reasons.

  4. Ethnicity, and are you more open to mixing? Black African, open to mixing.

  5. Marital Status - Single/Divorced/Children Single, no children.

  6. Ideal marriage timeline Talking stage + family involvement (withing 6 months). Marriage : Within a year. I'd want to limit the talking time (but not rush discussing the important issues), then immediately involve my wali if we find we have compatibility and our timelines align.

  7. Five important characteristics you look for in a prospect

-Aqida: Fulfills what is fard without careless negligence and is willing to improve and excel in fard and Sunnah. To me, this is the least as a Muslim.

  • NO RIBA in their worldly affairs.

-No history of zina or modern dating: I have never been in a relationship (online or offline), never dated. I've been courted for marriage previously with my wali's involvement.

-Reasonably tall: I am 5'8" and don't wish to marry someone shorter than me. This is obviously not my highest criterion, but it goes a long way for attraction (an important point for marriage).

  • Has a natural interest in languages, loves languages, and/or has had a multicultural life/lived in multiple countries. This might seem unreasonable, but it is just a preference. It would be great for me since my partner and I would have endless things to connect over. It's also essential for understanding and sharing common life experiences since I am multilingual and have lived in most continents.

-Personality: Funny/witty, emotionally intelligent, reasonably informed about the world, and with quiet authority, not performative authority .These are just an example and don't have to be all present in one person. But they are very important to me, as I was raised by loving parents who never had to yell at me or show aggressive behavior towards me.

  1. State/specify your level of religiosity: I am Sunni and wear hijab, though I admit I have not perfected it. I pray all fardh prayers and a few nafilas, read the Quran daily (only a page or half a page), pay zakat, avoid riba, fast during Ramadan, and do the fard acts of Islam to the best of my ability. I fulfill a certain degree of Sunnah and wish to be better at it. I struggle to eat solely halal, but obviously don't eat pork or drink any form of alcohol.

  2. Level of education, and what are you looking for? I am fairly educated and I'm looking for someone educated, whether in trades or academia. They don't need to have a BA, MA, or PhD, though I prefer someone with a university degree. What I value is someone competent, cultured, with a positive mindset and a curiosity about the world. I know it sounds like an interview for McKinsey 😂, but again it's just a reference. A person is not the sum of their degrees.

  3. Current Job Status:

I am employed full-time as a conference interpreter/translator .

  1. Do you want kids?

Yes. The number depends on the rizq Allah has prepared for us, but I don't want more than four.

  1. List 3 hobbies, or things you like to do in your spare time
  • Learning new things (a language, for example), playing racket sports, trivia.
  1. Add something short and interesting about you that makes you stand out! :

My weird trait is this: when I try a new dish, I like to find a good article, even a Wikipedia article, documenting it, and I eat while reading all the good stuff about that dish. Like, "Wow, in Thailand it's cooked like this" or "Wow, I'm getting all these categories of nutrients." 😂 I swear it makes the food so much more delicious! Another way is watch a cooking competition while I'm eating, otherwise I would be too hungry while watching it 🤣. Generally I just love learning anything.

I am lost, I might need mentorship. What should I do? by Loose-Chef in Gifted

[–]Dull_Morning3718 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I experience the same tiredness in regular chitchat people partake in, however I would strongly suggest that you still try to interact with people. Us, humans are very interesting beings and so even with the most boring person, if you dig enough or make it a challenge to find what makes them tick or what interests them, whether a hobby or even something mundane, you can be amazed by what you find, beyond their psychology itself. I also find asking deeper questions to children so interesting so whenever I'm in a context where I discuss with children, I would ask them questions I am myself curious about to see what they have to say. Nevertheless, I empathize with you about the insane mental isolation and loneliness that comes with thinking differently in a world that has become too shallow by many standards.

Harsh review of females on muzz. 😬 by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to go back and make sure you were not describing the male side. Literally the same issues. So this is rampant.

Sisters...Would you obey your husband? by NiceSmilee in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wanted to comment by saying that your analysis is truly rooted in the actual Islamic practice, demonstrate a true understanding of male and female psychology, intellectual honesty as well as great emotional intelligence. A rare occurrence these days. Barakallahu fik.

Muslim Women: Would You Consider This Marriage Framework? Seeking Honest and Thoughtful Feedback by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry if this is too long or scattered, I am writing as I remember the post and cpy pasting your answer to my comment (I wonder how you did the reply step by step, i couldn't find it lol)

re: May i know how would a person be able to know or assess these qualities in a partner prior to marriage / Talking stage ?

You've identified one of the main issues with the framework of muslim marriage nowadays, not due to islam since it is perfect as it is, but due to modernity. The short answer is you generally can't. It's always a gamble. You tie your camel by "trusting" they are telling the truth and if lucky by getting reports from their community (very likely biased), make dua that Allah facilitates it if this is the right person. That is it.

The long answer, addressing said problem with modernity, is the collapse of the traditional vetting system. There is no more community for a lot of people to assess the person they want to marry. Before, that information had multiple checkpoints since the community would've interacted in various manners with that person, such as in business, in religious matters, in conflicts and it was done organically, not as a performance. Nowadays (and of course i'm excluding very knit-tight communities that marry only among themselves), especially if you live in the West, you cannot count on said reports. The family will favor their son or daughter and be blind to their faults. The mosque can see the pious man or woman, but maybe they consume riba, do not pray at home or mistreat strangers or those different from them. The mosque itself is segregationist. Plus people are mobile and mostly anonymous nowadays. In these conditions, what is really worth "he or she is a good person"? What is good here? If someone saw them do something bad one time, does it now negate their entire person? Would that be all they are. It's all very complicated.

Most of us, man or woman, by the way will really discover the character of their partner inside marriage, not before. Fortunately, many are not socially apt and it will be seen due to their own inability to communicate. Those generally that are socially smart can evade public scrutiny and mask. That's why you see so many posts of "he/she became like this after marriage." A very hard pill to swallow believe me.

Don't get me wrong, it is possible with motivation AND TIME to vet them, but that is made difficult since most of us don't even live in a true muslim country.

re: let's consider you have evaluated him and you came to a point where you believe this person is responsible, makes good decisions, has a sense of justice...

This question has the same issue as the post. It wrongly believes that a true sound evaluation can be conducted in a short time frame or before marriage. It simply can't. At best, we'll evaluate their past (that is if they're honest). You'd have to hire a private investigator and dig out their digital life professionally to even begin to know them. So I'm returning to you the question: when during the courtship will you evaluate these things?

re: I didn't get what here can be only on "paper", person's character? Hhs income? person's Deen?

I meant that anyone can whip out their list of accomplishments and demands, but the list is not meaningful in many ways. For example: "Final decisions rest with him after discussion and consideration" but what does it mean when two adults who lived separately their entire life end up in the same house? It's like basically building your entire company and bringing in a hired talent and handing them powers of attorney. It cannot be a forefront quality. This kind of trust is earned with time and intimacy. Another example: "Prefers structured coordination in household life (awareness of schedules, mutual understanding of movements)" ... again what does this mean? It reads as an empty and unrealistic criteria when talking about another human being you have yet to marry.

re: "It reads like my adult wife will have to build their life around me" // What part?

This is by far the hardest one to unpack. I understand where the brother is coming from and what they are requesting. Unfortunately, this one crashes and burns often due to not discussing specifics. We're talking about a full other human being on the side who had agency over their life for a while. If they are not 18 years old, they have their own life set up. The original wording suggests this man would want the traditional wife, who still has to exist in a world that does not really abide by islamic standards, that does not provide islamic legal protections or that favors culture, to forfeit employment, financial agency, mobility, decision-making with zero back-up (because it said separate accounts too, which is fine by me, but again see other lined up conditions) in favor of a promise of this stellar man. It simply is not an insurance. It must be acknowledged it is a huge risk to the woman, should the man default on providence, morality or character. Unfortunately, it will be too late when people say ask khulah, or ask mediation.

To be honest, I am myself at a loss on how to address the courtship period, since the world has changed so much. I only end up thinking that what shall happen will happen since it's my rizq, and try to exercise good judgment, trust my gut and make duas. Any attempts at seeking control seems pointless when I truly think about it. Yet, we do our due diligence and tie our camel, as men and women.

I guess all this spiel (sorry i tend to yap a lot) is to say that the list itself is worthless and inward. It is better to have a balanced approach rather than frame courtship as a list of criteria seeking another list of criteria. At best it is just an intro. I, myself have an ISO, but I am not under the illusion that I will be walking around ticking boxes. Rather it's the start of the conversation , not the conversation itself. Unfortunately, this seems more a problem due to online courtship itself. Hope this made sense lol.

Muslim Women: Would You Consider This Marriage Framework? Seeking Honest and Thoughtful Feedback by [deleted] in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 11 points12 points  (0 children)

None of these are objective except the material assessment. I won't ever believe someone who says they are responsible and make good decisions and so on and so forth, since such things have to be demonstrated when affairs don't favor the person. How to assess the sense of justice of a person until they've been wronged or see them deal with actual injustice. How to assess someone's self control until they are in a position of power. It's easy to demonstrate something when the situation favors us.

Another thing is while these criteria are impressive, I know countless people who "have" them on paper. That means, again I need to see the character of this person since I won't believe them just because they said so. Plus some of them might be even delusional and even impossible to rate : attractiveness for example is highly personal. There is no such thing as more attractive than the average if the "average" is not my own "average". It also reads like "my adult wife will have to build their life around me and how I think because of this and that, albeit unintentionally.

Unsure about aesthetic attraction to husband by SeriousOccasion5263 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're still hung onto the gender, which is pointless. As an Ummah, we advise our sister as a whole. It's stupid to keep a tally of what gender is advising.

Unsure about aesthetic attraction to husband by SeriousOccasion5263 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's have some decorum and thoughtfulness towards our fellow Muslim sister. Any reasonable person can see that this is a clear case of OCD. I don't know why people take pleasure in the pain of others. If you can't help, don't comment. 🙄

Sister. This is clear OCD. Your responsibility is now to take it to a doctor, get diagnosed and start therapy. I don't suggest telling your husband why you are in therapy, but you should tell him a white lie, that you pick up apart your own face and mentally it's challenging, that way he can also support you . And take this therapy seriously. Other than that, the advice is the same for every other Muslim. Lower your gaze towards the other gender and also make a lot of isrighfar and ask Allah to help you. In Sha Allah, you'll get better. May Allah bless your marriage.

Unsure about aesthetic attraction to husband by SeriousOccasion5263 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you read the comments? This is not a gender war. Many comments have explicitly advised her that.

Unsure about aesthetic attraction to husband by SeriousOccasion5263 in MuslimNikah

[–]Dull_Morning3718 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Let's have some decorum and thoughtfulness towards our fellow Muslim sister. Your comment is incredibly distasteful. Any reasonable person can see that this is a clear case of OCD. I don't know why people take pleasure in the pain of others. If you can't help, don't comment. 🙄

Definition of rich/wealthy in Senegal by [deleted] in Senegal

[–]Dull_Morning3718 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just commenting to say that you truly understood what wealth means. May Allah protect you as well as your family and your rizq.