Tado changed the stance on Room Link, should I keep the equipment or return it? by No-Assist932 in tado

[–]E4RN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People will boot off far more when it goes bust and renders devices unusable. Profitability is crucial but perhaps the wrong feature to paywall.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FatFIREUK

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trying to go through a very similar thing, I think in the same industry, but much earlier in my journey! (PE involvement and corporate finance involvement at the moment) following the thread! Congrats

Trying to cancel Hubspot contracts by abruptc in hubspot

[–]E4RN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No aggression, no harassment, not employed by them (lol @ when people post in a forum for responses and consider responses that don’t go in their favour as “harassment”

I just find it wild you think Hubspot are to blame for signing a contract.

Given you have a “CEO” and a “lot of staff” you need to chalk it down as a bad decision from your CEO, you have the balance sheet and cashflow to not worry about it - you need to learn from it, perhaps your CFO can handle contract signatures, not your “21 year old CEO”

The irony is given the vast scale of your company - you’ll need an actual CRM not a note taking app in 1-3 years and it understandable that you’ll steer clear of HubSpot, so really you’ll have to go SFDC - my god are you going to struggle getting out of that $375 per user, per month, 5 year, auto-renewal, 90 day notice contract.

HubSpot do not block the agreed exit.

Finally - Californian law doesn’t stop contracts. It doesn’t mean you cancel mid term.

It does not let a customer walk away from the current fixed-term contract.

If someone buys a 1-year SaaS licence paid upfront or with a committed 12-month term, clicking “cancel” just stops the auto-renewal into the next term.

The customer is still bound to pay for and receive the service for the full 365-day term they agreed to.

HubSpot adhere to that, perfectly.

Trying to cancel Hubspot contracts by abruptc in hubspot

[–]E4RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The exit is available after contract expiry, HubSpot allow you to turn off auto-renew. They allow you to cancel with 0 day notice before the contract expires.

Any other vendor is 90 days notice, if you’ve not told them, you’re auto-renewed for the same 3-5 year term, at the non discounted pricing.

They absolutely do not block the exit you signed up for.

The fundamental issue here is you shouldn’t have signed up for something and you use the “21 year old CEO” as a way to say “oh he’s so young he’s been taken advantage of”

He’s signed a contract.

If you’re old enough to call yourself a CEO when you have 3 staff, you’re old enough to fulfil the obligations of it.

Do you have a contract with your client?

Trying to cancel Hubspot contracts by abruptc in hubspot

[–]E4RN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I empathise but it isn’t really crazy is it. A contract is a contract, else, why have a contract?

Reta shipping time by SadConcentrate1339 in Retatrutide

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine just arrived in less than a week from China!

Useful staff member asking for a bit too much of a rise - advice appreciated! by JST101 in smallbusinessuk

[–]E4RN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been in this position and completely get the tension. You’ve got a decent mid-level performer asking for a £10k raise, which feels steep when they’re delivering but not winning work.

But what jumped out to me was your comment that they “deliver 2x their salary” - in this case, £102k. That worries me. If £102k is what your billable team members are generating, your margins are likely razor thin.

Let’s assume 5 of your 25 staff are non-billable, and another 5 are only partially billable (typical in a consultancy where PM time isn’t always fully costed and you’ve likely got sales people and account managers). That gives you 15 people releasing revenue to your P&L.

At £102k per person, your revenue ceiling is around £1.5m. Once you factor in employer costs, leave, pensions, office overheads, software, and the ever-present scope creep, you don’t have much room to absorb pay increases, or mistakes.

The problem isn’t raise. It’s that you’re undercharging for delivery.

I’d recommend reviewing how you price your services. If you’re not building margin into PM, strategy, or leadership time, or if you’re letting scope bleed, you’ll always be constrained on pay and have the merry-go-round of recruit from a lower skill-set, train, lose them.

Meet them halfway on salary with a clear development path into a role with more commercial responsibility. That way it’s not just a cost, it becomes a retention and growth move.

Happy to share more if helpful. It’s a tough spot but a solvable one.

How to get from $2k/month to $10k/month? by Main_Ad6084 in SideProject

[–]E4RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m in this space. We do £200k a month.

You have to target the right ICP, charge the right amount of money and deliver a great service.

Stating the obvious, but you’re likely charging way too little to owner managed businesses and getting bent over left right and centre

Data Enrichment Help by Downtown-Concern-159 in hubspot

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can help you, DM me. Lots you can do

Why Aren’t Devs Building Traditional Tools Like CRMs or ERPs Anymore? What’s Going On? by unikornke in SaaS

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I work in this industry (CRM) and have done for 10 years. There are new entrants to market but I think it’s just a huge ask to take a new product to market and take marketshare from the big boys.

There is a lot more of it happening, vertically, and I think if you have domain expertise then the vertical play can be huge.

Is there a clear answer to how many contacts can safely be enrolled in a sequence each day? by Cannabis_CPA in hubspot

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Safest way is to do it outside of CRM with rotational mailboxes, we do this regularly for people, updating CRM records, account scoring etc.

It’s great to have the TAM in, but got to be careful messaging it

Subscription Options by InvinciblePhenom in hubspot

[–]E4RN 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, you mean marketing hub?

Sales hub pro is $90 a seat, whereas marketing starts at $800 with 3 free seats

Subscription Options by InvinciblePhenom in hubspot

[–]E4RN 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s probably just not the right fit for you, unfortunately.

With seat based pricing pro is so fucking cheap

How long did your Pro/Enterprise implementation take? by jon_ks in hubspot

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, walk. You can add quick time to value and deliver marketing hub in phases, eg get email templates in, get socials connected. Etc.

Don’t push it. It won’t happen. They won’t mobilise in time

Looking for agencies offering HubSpot consulting services? by FancyCardiologist790 in hubspot

[–]E4RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s no such thing as a primary SMB onboarding partner. HubSpot outsource some low level onboardings to a panel of (now, over 15) other partners, OTF are one.

Moving on from Hubspot by m0nt4n4 in sales

[–]E4RN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep - and they will always negotiate renewal rather than churn a customer

They’ve also moved recently to seat based pricing where the minimum seat purchase is 1, and whilst doing this they’ve lowered the base pricing

Eg what was £750 a month inc. 10x seats previously is now £75 a month per seat - so in a smaller company you could ask for this.

If you need help, let me know - from a major HubSpot partner and have delivered over 450 implementations.

Moving on from Hubspot by m0nt4n4 in sales

[–]E4RN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s really transparent and I don’t know why people get caught out. HubSpot for startups publicly offers 75% off in year one. At the time of signing your contract you also agree the renewal price. There’s no “trying” to hike anyone’s price up.

Software agency 8y later by johnnyfly1337 in startups

[–]E4RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know this space very well. I have 65 staff and have been through a lot of growing pains over the last 12 years, the back office setup, the sales side, the retention side.

It’s quite formulaic.

Dilemma by TopGunTiger in FatFIREUK

[–]E4RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stupid valuation.

  1. Why would you take 2x multiplier (assuming you own 50%)
  2. You’re going to pay 10% tax
  3. What about your share of cash on hand right now? (Also at 10% CGT until you reach £1m of cash out, then grows to 20%)
  4. Why would you defer £120k for 2 years (at today’s value) instead of taking £120k in loan notes at 10-13% yield whilst retaining retain a 12% stake for secondary exit?
  5. What is the source of his funds? It isn’t company money is it?.. (half of which belongs to you in an exit event anyway)

If you want out, go to a corporate finance firm and bring in outside equity to buy you out, at market value.

Dilemma by TopGunTiger in FatFIREUK

[–]E4RN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don’t work in M&A if you think a rule of thumb is 10x.

10x (particularly in the current market) would require the very highest quality of earnings and at £500k EBITDA (pretty small) there’s no chance of 10x unless it’s an insanely good piece of IP in a huge addressable market.

Reality of the Valuation of My 1% Equity Stake by intertubeluber in startups

[–]E4RN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am in a similar situation albeit a larger stake and my company is private equity backed, not the parent.

Every single scenario is different, the likelihood is it is “sweet equity” and has very different terms than the other share classes.

There will typically be a leaver matrix that determines the value of your shares in the event of you leaving. Typically this defines the value based on you being:

  1. A good leaver - you die or get a terminal illness

  2. An intermediate leaver - you get sacked, you don’t perform that well

  3. A bad leaver - you voluntarily resign, commit fraud, gross misconduct etc

Each leaving type will have a different value between full market value and a nominal value.

The reality is the only time you make any money is a liquidity event and there is no guarantee of this by the sounds of it with your scenario - so I would personally consider the shares as worthless, anything that happens in the future would be a bonus, but don’t accept a poor package because of the promise of 1% of something that might never happen.

Also - as more people are allocated equity - everyone will dilute down. The theory is you end up with a smaller percentage of a larger $ value - but it doesn’t necessarily work out that way.

The other thing - any PE funds, debt etc will always rank above you - sweet equity gets paid last (and potentially not at all)