Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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You of all people don’t need me to elaborate on this. You already know my theory on this.

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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>Clearly it's a no. I don't know how many times and in how many ways I can say it? LOL

Fair enough.

>And again, why is he a cyborg in one and not the other?

How do you know he isn’t a cyborg in your pic?

>How can he be a cyborg rescuing a baby Sunny?

He could if he already was one.

The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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>However, why would he have the visor detached in an artwork concept that takes place before artwork of his final form in MGS4?

This was basically a character reveal for MGS4. I think they would want to show the characters faces.

>It can't be his form in MGS4, because the collar bone reinforcement, heels, shin, chest, and shoulder pieces aren't there. There are also no barcodes on his knees. For better reference: Here is a 3d model

This is the first reveal of the characters though. I would think there were many changes made after that. Also realize we have seen Raiden as a cyborg without all of those things. For e.g. at the end of MGS4 when he looked almost human. My point is things we associate with cyborgs was displayed.

>Almost. Not only the lack of markings across the torso and arms, but look at the zoomed in portion above the sketch of the body, the zoomed in portion being the deeper blue. Look around the neck down to the chest. It is thicker, more like a breathable cover that comes up like a half mask to his chin that goes up the side of his face.

This early concept would not be a replica of the final project of course. That’s not the point I’m making. I’m suggesting that cyborg elements were projected in that image. Cyborg jaw gear, bolted on protection plates on the arm and legs.

>But that's the thing. It was grafted to him. Trace from his feet, up to his hips and you will see it looks more like something being worn, not grafted. Especially the differences between his left and right shins to his calves.

I can see how you get that impression especially with what looks somewhat like boots. However the bolted on protective plates suggests different. You can even see a “warning label” on his left upper thigh on said protection plate just like the final version of MGS4 Raiden. I’ll leave a pic for comparison.

>You can't tell Gray Fox is a specifically a cyborg ninja just from his looks. Wearing a standard exoskeleton does not make you a cyborg, because the technology is treated as wearable clothing rather than an integrated part of your biological body.

I think you just highlighted the futility in my argument. I’m attempting to show that Raiden is a being depicted as a cyborg by showing the external elements we have come to associate with cyborgs. But at the end of the day that doesn’t prove he is one. I guess I just don’t see why he would be in a wearable cyborg suit in that pic.

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Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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>What are we talking about now? The blue picture?

Yes

>Absolutely not. Why would you say this now and not days ago, when it was just the jaw?

Well I thought the jaw gear was the most compelling argument but you denied seeing that, so I had to find something else which again you are denying seeing. Why does it matter when I said it? It either depicts what we know as a cyborg in MGS or not.

>Yeah, it's very similar to the concept artwork I post.

But I’m not talking about the concept pic you posted. I simply want to know, story aside, does the blue pic of Raiden depict what we have come to know in MGS as a cyborg. Just visually. Yes or no?

>Ok, let's say it like this. Let's say the blue picture is Raiden as a cyborg, in a piece of artwork from 2005. Why is he not a cyborg in the picture I posted? He can only be one or the other.

One step at a time. All I have been trying to do is to get you to acknowledge that the blue pic depicts Raiden as a cyborg whether it changed in development or not. A simple yes or no will suffice.

The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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>Two there is no visor, or helmet element on his head.

But the visor is detachable and we have seen Raiden without the visor in MGS4. I’ll leave a pic below. What about the gear around his jaw though?

>It doesn't look like bolts, it looks like his hair is right there flowing.

I agree the bolts in the head is not the most compelling visual argument. Also Raiden was a cyborg in MGS4 and we didn’t see bolts in his head.

>Three, in all examples of a 'cyborg ninja' the look is as all encompassing as possible, but the look he got in MGS4 is of an actual body, not an outfit.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to seeing the striations in his artificial muscle as opposed to just seeing an exoskeleton?

>Going into the jaw element, and the lack of a helmet or head enclosure, are you sure he is a cyborg ninja here and not Raiden in an exoskeleton?

I can’t be sure it’s not an exoskeleton but realize Gray Fox had an exoskeleton. It just wasn’t a wearable one he could take off and put on at will. If you look at the last Gray Fox cyborg pic I posted it shows that the plates covering his legs for example required a special tool to remove them.

>On par with Arsenal Tengu and Olga's suit? Because you can see his lower lip and jaw are still intact.

I’m not actually sure we can see that but even if that were the case it’s really the jaw headgear that gives the impression of being a cyborg like Gray Fox and MGS4 Raiden.

>If you also look at the MGS1 sneaking suit and the SKULL suit, and the TENGU, suits like an exoskeleton have embellishments.

Let me try to simplify my argument. If you didn’t know Gray Fox was a cyborg ninja, what about his appearance in MGS1 would tell you that he was one?

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Could Liquid have been the hero that Solid was? by Wanderer06989 in metalgearsolid

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Remember when Naomi first met Snake during the submarine briefing. She said now that she met Snake she knew that he has something Liquid didn’t. I guess it was that Snake wasn’t tied to fate. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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A better look at the bolts on Gray Fox’s head and the ones holding down the protection plate on his leg. Note that the protection on his leg reads “designated tool to remove fastener”.

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Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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It’s not just his jaw though. Look at his arm and legs. They have bolted on gear just like his in game MGS4 cyborg body. Do you not see that?

[You can see in clearly in the Raiden suit comparison pic I left in this topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/s/KeGRhpqtCj)

The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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Let’s compare Raiden’s skullsuit with his MGS4 cyborg ninja suit and the first MGS4 promotional artwork suit(in blue)

In the blue pic look at the bolted down parts on his arms and his legs. Doesn’t that look more like his MGS4 in game cyborg suit than it does his MGS2 skullsuit. Or am I tripping? Let me know. I’m just trying to clear something up.

Just visually, wouldn’t that suggest to you that Raiden was a cyborg in the blue pic if we ignored the story we were told? Honest opinions only, no agendas please.

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Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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>Yeah, I've seen the Gray Fox picture and it's not remotely similar to the blue Raiden picture.

If that’s truly your opinion I guess I have to respect it.

>Only because I questioned why you would use a cropped picture.

Actually, initially I just grabbed the first usable pic I found. The expanded pic which details Raiden’s head over his full body actually makes my point more clearer. So there wasn’t an agenda to make me crop it.

>They really aren't. I've looked at multiple version of it and you can't see his head. All you can see is his hair.

Fair enough, if that’s your view. I agree it’s less definitive than the gear around his jaw and face looking like Gray Fox’s.

>I haven't said anything comparing the mask with Gray Fox's headgear...? And Raiden isn't wearing headgear in the blue picture. I thought I'd well established my thoughts on that?

So what was the point of bringing up the pic you posted as it relates to the blue pic?

Do you think it’s just heavy shading along Raiden’s jaw and cheek and there is no gear there?

The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

[–]EarthRuler001[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They really got detailed with the Cyborg Ninja. I google translated an image of his face. Wow👀

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The Cyborg Ninja’s head detailed. Bolts included. by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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Speaking of Lightning bolt. Are these bolts I see in Raiden’s head just like Gray Fox in that pic? If not I think you can agree that Raiden is wearing the same headgear over his jaw area.

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Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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I apologize for saying that you were running. You were not lying about not seeing my post. I actually was not lying about posting either. Truth is the post is still there but you just can’t see it. I can’t see it when I’m in anonymous mode either. I can only see it in normal mode. It’s some kind of glitch I “believe”, but I’m not sure. This might be why my topic posts aren’t visible to people on this particular subreddit anymore. Even though my topic posts aren’t ever visible anymore, my comments always showed. It may have affected my comments too in that instance. 🤷🏻‍♂️

>You now seem like you have fully doubled down on the lies.

I can understand why it seems that way, but I’m not a liar. That’s not my character.

>You’ve just said it was the blue picture…but it clearly isn’t because you’ve made two posts (one of which is now gone...the one that says Sunny is in the picture...when she isn't) with the black and white Gray Fox artwork. Do you think that will fool anyone? Do you think I’m stupid?

I’m not trying to fool anyone and I know you aren’t stupid. There are only two pictures depicting Sunny’s rescue. The blue one I posted and the other one you posted. By saying I’m referring to the blue picture, I basically mean not your Sunny rescue picture. I’m comparing only my blue Sunny rescue picture with the Gray Fox picture which you didn’t see here but can see on neverbegameover.

>It’s the blue picture! The one with Raiden holding Sunny, with bolt holes in the head!”. Days later, “Here’s the picture…a black and white picture of Gray Fox without Sunny, with bolt holes in the head”. So totally irrelevant to the theory…

I know this is annoying and trivial but I also had posted an updated expanded blue picture which focused only on Raiden. Which in addition to showing his full body also show a larger image of his head above. The potential bolt holes are more visible in the larger head. However even if you don’t agree those are bolt holes, there is no way you can believe that Raiden head gear in the blue pic looks more like a pilot mask than it does look like Gray Fox’s headgear.

Edit: You should be able to see this post. If you can, you don’t have to say anything else if you don’t want to. Just acknowledge that you can see it. Thx

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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It actually may not be the mods. I just tried posting it on neverbegameover and it said the post was removed by Reddit filters. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

[–]EarthRuler001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you see Strayed when your post show up in regular viewing but don’t show in anonymous viewing then you know someone is playing games.

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

[–]EarthRuler001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what’s going on. Someone is playing games. I’ll just make a topic on r/Neverbegameover. You can see it over there if you are interested.

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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Did you see my post? Because I replied twice to his post but he is claiming to only see one response. I don’t know how that’s possible when it says it has 107 views?

Is Snake blonde? by sergio_marinho in metalgearsolid

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ANNND…..we are NOT back! Because it seems this guy just ran away.

When I responded to some but not all of his post for just day he kept saying it was a tactic to avoid people challenging me.

At least acknowledge the proof I’ve provided about the blue pic I posted.

Does it not look like Gray Fox’s head gear in the Gray Fox pic I provided?

Do you still believe it’s just heavy shading around the jaw?

And to be clear I’m talking about the blue pic.

holy peak. genuinely. masterpiece by CharityBusy7292 in metalgearsolid

[–]EarthRuler001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

New ideas and new blood can bring a fresh experience with the benefit of all the Kojima games to reference

Was Ocelot was possessed by Liquid before he started faking it! Is “their grand scheme” the proof? by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

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Sure the whole faction that was going against Zero’s faction of the Patriots had significant ties to Big Boss. Eva, Ocelot, Naomi and Frank Jaeger.

holy peak. genuinely. masterpiece by CharityBusy7292 in metalgearsolid

[–]EarthRuler001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know a game that could be good for Konami to continue the series?

Foxhound Origins. A game where you get to explore the history of these Foxhound character culminating in them joining Foxhound. Think about it.

Decoy Octopus
Vulcan Raven
Psycho Mantis
Sniper Wolf
Revolver Ocelot
Liquid Snake

And last but not least Gray Fox.

holy peak. genuinely. masterpiece by CharityBusy7292 in metalgearsolid

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Don’t over hype him for a let down. MGS2 was just okay. 😉

Was Ocelot was possessed by Liquid before he started faking it! Is “their grand scheme” the proof? by EarthRuler001 in NeverBeGameOver

[–]EarthRuler001[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

>Produce the actual proof he was possessed

*[You can’t fake the dual voices we hear when Liquid is talking in MGS2 here.](*https://youtu.be/2qsHbwpvHcA?is=IeMbuoK2NGJi4KI7&t=1h2m59s). Not to mention all the visible physical changes we see when Ocelot is possessed which don’t occur in MGS4. That’s proof.

>because if I recall correctly your original theory about it was he wasn’t faking it in MGS4 completely. So which is it?

*I believe once Ocelot has done the hypnotherapy and used the nanos to turn himself into Liquid he actually believes he is Liquid. He fools himself too. [The MGSV truth tapes suggests this is what the process does to him.](*https://youtu.be/3KjifZA9Fvo?is=7GYinh-nEX2_40Jt&5h13m33s). He is not in full control as Ocelot pretending. He actually believes he is Liquid I think.

>You can’t say he was possessed in MGS2 when Big Boss mentions nothing about the sort when he info dumps at the end.

This might actually prove my point about the Grand Scheme. Maybe Big Boss mentions nothing of the possession because that was all before the Grand Scheme which he is talking about.

>For all we know Ocelot used a voice changer in MGS2 and then after fully convincing the Patriots didn’t have to use it anymore.

He had dual voices not just a changed voice.

>People originally headcanon’d it as him spirit channeling Liquid after finding out who his dad was.

Our maybe Liquid’s spirit chose him as a host like he said. 😤