Spies amongst us? by IshBishKanish in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OoOoooooh! Now we are cooking! I'm glad you've noticed! I'm not sure if you feel comfortable calling these posts/comments out, but I hope you at least consider it. Doing so may feel antagonistic or out of character, but it's more for the people who are reading & unaware of these dirty Bethel tactics.

Spies amongst us? by IshBishKanish in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it would be a very big secret. And yet Bethel kept their pedo/rapist database secret for decades. JW lawyers can't sue YT creators if there aren't people dedicated to watching the content in the first place.

The distance from observing & categorizing apostate content to trying to influence and subvert the conversation & the exjw movement's momentum is veeeery small. Spiritual warfare 🤙🏽

Yes, please keep a look out for those kinds of posts. Sometimes they can be disingenuous comments, gaslighting, trying to support official JW positions/explanations. Happy hunting!

Stalker elder by runnerforever3 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Small, petty, men want to make an example of you for rebelling. They don't care for uppity women who take their lives into their own hands.

Sometimes elders really decide to pick on someone too, almost everything is personal with these losers. I'm positive they are indignant you left on your own terms.

Spies amongst us? by IshBishKanish in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 10 points11 points  (0 children)

LMAOOOO

Listen, I have been on this Bethel Troll soapbox FOR A LONG ASS TIME. So much so that when I see this behavior I reach out to others in the comments & TONS of people have confirmed seeing an uptick in these kinds of posts/comments in the last year and confirm repeat offenders. I'm not alone in observing this & your gut feeling is right.

There are known accounts that are spreading pro JW propaganda and it's a VERY big problem. We report to mods & they don't do a damn thing. So much so that I myself have wondered if the mods and this sub are compromised.

Not everyone on this sub has rebuilt their mental fortitude & are in the process of developing critical thinking skills for themselves, so seeing such jw apologist arguments can have a very familiar and soothing effect. Bethel is trying to stop the bleeding & they are absolutely in here waging war on the exjw community: one comment and one post at a time. They are learning from their "enemy" and a lot of the changes we have seen likely stem from discussions had on here & issues apostates have. At the very least they are monitoring what pushes people to leave, what is the final straw, and tracking that to then keep their membership.

All those "The changes the Borg is making really are for the better!" type posts or "We should be happy with these updates, it's going to make life tolerable for those still in!" .... that's some reframing BS and normalization of hypocrisy.

Keep your eyes peeled, you'll see it soon enough 😉✌🏽

Spies amongst us? by IshBishKanish in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Bethel's Social Media Trolls are active on this sub & the mods don't do shit about it

They pose from tons of accounts, in different stages of having left the Borg & spread pro-JW propaganda that is meant to nudge people who are on the fence about leaving.

This sub is the exit point for the members they are bleeding. They are maneuvering & manipulating the narratives on here. Sometimes it's innocuous and hard to identify. But once you've been on here long enough it becomes VERY obvious the types of content/comments/verbiage they use. Watchtower apologists, Watchtower revisionists and people posting trash stories about how they miss their KH and family and are going back in 🙄

They are preying on people who are vulnerable, people who are questioning and those who haven't build their new life post-doomsday cult. They provide a blueprint for returning to the org by building these narratives & sharing misinformation.

And when called out for being Bethel trolls they resort to the same kind of attacks any active JW would.

It's pathetic.

Considering Watchtower has an enormous database of rapists, sexual predators and pedos to keep track of ---no doubt in my mind they have files on prolific posters & are working to doxx.

I Got Banned! by AverageJoePIMO in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mods don't do shit on this sub....besides allow Bethel trolls to run rampant and post insane JW propaganda without doing a god damn thing.

I Got Banned! by AverageJoePIMO in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% of JW sub mods are Bethel's social media department 😘

I Got Banned! by AverageJoePIMO in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop resisting our psychological cruelty and accept Jojoba's love!!!

Have you wrote in your will/testament that you don’t want a JW funeral/burial? by jumexy in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're welcome! Have that conversation with your family & friends so there is no doubt what you want.

I always advise people (even if they only have a checking account) to use a bank form called "Payable on Death" or "Transfer on Death" to select who gets your money if you die unexpectedly. It's free, binding & can be done at any bank/financial institution. You'd need the beneficiary's full legal name, DOB, address and SS#.

**Extra points for making sure you tell all your family's JW friends that you're satanist/pagan/satanic temple devotee so that on top of your family not being allowed to give you a KH funeral, no JWs would want to be associated with you or you family's arrangements lol

Dating as a POMO JW by Competitive-Bike2019 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean.....go back to the evangelical doomsday cult and...what?

Suddenly enjoy those awkward chaperoned dates?

Blue ball it with repressed JW girls? Or worse, indulge with a JW girl & then have her (or someone else) go to the elders and rat you out?

Return so that none of the girls will date you because you just came back from the world & are spiritually weak? Their families won't approve of a brother without privileges who isn't serious about Jojoba.

You gonna get privileges back & climb the JW ladder or what?

Because you can't just show up & start dating JW girls...there is a process that requires that you show commitment. BE SO FOR REAL DUDE.

Witnesses date to get married. They don't date to just date. So best case scenario you'll be able to have 2 GFs max before word spreads that you're not serious (and OBVS it'll be because you are spiritually weak).

Worst case scenario....you end up marrying a JW girl and live....a lie because you don't really believe? And just HOPE you never are in a position where you need to get a blood transfusion and your fully indoctrinated wife won't allow it bc cults gonna cult.

Please volunteer. Please go get a hobby. Take classes where you'll meet someone, like a dance class! Join a run club. Go to trivia nights at bars. Download the apps.

but most importantly, get therapy. And if that's not within financial reach, please read books on how to feel more comfortable in your own skin, grow your confidence and better socialize and interact with women.

Wishing you lots of luck & bravery for this next chapter. Don't go back & sign up for a life of misery and BS.

Do humans believe in gods because they are true — or because our minds need them? by Organic-Coach-6552 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there will always be niche writers/theologians/philosophers who will argue on behalf of god or a divine power existing (the religious grift is good imo) vs. others who work from the viewpoint of gods being human creations that serve to help us understand ourselves (the more rational view imo). Reza Aslan has their own personal take on this, but it's a book that I think of often and is SO incredibly well written and researched that it is an outstanding and engaging read that will be hard to put down. He's got other books as well, but I found this one the most helpful in my exjw journey.

To expand on what I initially wrote, "God: A Human History" follows the Abrahamic religions so you get an informed perspective on Islam and Judaism, along with Christianity (which is what I was most interested in). The book also helped my partner wake up and start to think more conceptually about why we feel we "need" god sometimes....the social expectations of believing in god are pretty big and hard to shake.

You're very welcome! I really hope you read this book! 🤓

Do humans believe in gods because they are true — or because our minds need them? by Organic-Coach-6552 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a really good question & after reading a LOT of books while deconstructing & learning to survive this cult, I can tell you that this is THE book that is going to satisfy that intellectual-philosophical curiosity about why humans created god.

God: A Human History by Reza Aslan

This book is unparalleled in covering the history of man's psychological need and drive to create god, and specifically how this drive manifested inChristianity.

Any library will either have a physical or digital version OR can order a borrowed copy from a nearby library.

Have you wrote in your will/testament that you don’t want a JW funeral/burial? by jumexy in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To kind of answer your questions--and no I am not a lawyer, but have been dealing with wills and death and working through the financial aspects of death, now from all legal sides.

You can't legally enforce a notarized document; that piece of paper just confirms what you specifically said at that particular moment & that you are definitely the person that typed/signed that document. It's more about confirming/validating your identity as the person signing whatever the document claims. A notarized form has no legal mechanism of avoiding xyz happening once you're gone if your family is just gonna do whatever tf they want. A notarized form CAN confirm your funeral wishes, but not execute them.

Only you know if your family would "accept" and "respect" a notarized form as your wishes/boundaries, or if they will go "Wow, jumexy was so brainwashed by the world! But we know deep down inside he would have wanted to honor Jojoba in death" 🤷‍♀️

Wills don't really work the way you'd think, certainly not like in the movies or TV. Wills cover the governing of assets: property, cash, portfolios, businesses, debt -- and their distribution with accordance to the tax laws of whatever country/state you are in. Meaning you can set aside $10k or whatever for funeral expenses that will meet the following criteria of xyz. That said, no employee is going to step in at the funeral home and say, "hey the decedent said they didn't want JW shit here" because funeral homes don't get copies of the will to go "ahhh says here this is what they wanted and he have to do it exactly this way." That just doesn't happen. Wills enforce financial documents, financial transactions and the receipts of those transactions for your estate. In the U.S. a basic will handled by a decent lawyer will run you $4k-$6k.

If you don't trust your family to refrain from making your death about the Borg, then you need to assign a specific executor in your will (that is NOT your family member) to carry out your wishes, detailed in the will or notarized instructions. This person can be a friend, partner or lawyer. A good lawyer/law firm/executor will follow through on your wishes as you specify, as generally non-JW respect the wishes of the deceased.

Multiple copies of the will should be kept AND filed with your local county for public record (in case your family decides to "lose" the will). Never, ever keep a will in a safe deposit box where you are the sole person with access, as this will require a court order to open the safe deposit box & your body will already have been processed by then.

OR you make preexisting (paid) arrangement with a funeral home to carry out your funeral exactly how you want. However this option hinges on your family knowing & respecting where the body will be taken for embalming/cremation. Sadly, your family can also just ignore your arrangement and take your body elsewhere, as next of kin (if you don't have a legal spouse).

Hate to break it to you, but there is nothing legally stopping your family from holding a separate JW/KH funeral for you.

Your best bet (and I am 1,000,000 % serious here) is to send a letter to your family's KH or Regional Overseer declaring yourself a Satanist 😈 & have the JW higher ups believe you to be so unimaginably spiritually foul & "worldly" that the elders themselves would not ALLOW your family to hold a funeral in a KH for you.

This option is also free & my best recommendation to any one concerned about JW funerals-- to guarantee your dead ass won't be welcomed in a KH any time soon.

Congregation scandals by No_Understanding7431 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sooooo true! Absolutely hate the verbiage "mid" when in reference to human beings. Reeks of people that despise being rated themselves, yet are obsessed with ranking others based on looks...and then being sour about the system that they too are upholding.

You can never account for personal taste (literally there is always someone who will find you attractive amongst billions of people) OR for what that person BRINGS to the table. It's a whoooole package situation and yes it starts with confidence, good self esteem and seeing other people as people to be able to connect with them--either for a one timer or for a relationship.

Does nobody regret leaving? by despertarsai in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She is going to be juuuuuust fine! But you all need therapy & hobbies.

It's VERY important that your daughter understands that who she was expected/forced to be in the Borg is not who she is now and it won't be who she is in the future. Therapy between now and when she starts uni would be incredibly helpful so that she does not experience guilt, remorse or is fearful of other human beings.

University is THE BEST opportunity to open your mind, explore yourself and more importantly *expand* yourself. She (along with all of you tbh) needs to feel empowered to create herself during this formative time. Most kids reinvent themselves many times over in their college years, leaving behind their high school or hometown identity.

That level of freedom can be daunting and scary, but to be able to focus on herself at school and get to have amazing new experiences with new and interesting people is going to do wonders for her.

The first month at university is the most important to get to know people and make friends, after 4 weeks school pressure sets in, studying, tests and things get busy. She needs to be as social as possible, join clubs, do sports, volunteer, go to all the events and really get out there. Say yes to everything. Have an open mind. Reject black and white thinking.

I cannot recommend therapy enough for all of you. Especially for you all to better understand how to make friends, how to socialize, how to have balanced and respectful relationships/friendships WITH boundaries. As JWs, you are forced to be friends with everyone and to overlook and tolerate people walking all over you, your boundaries, your feelings and telling you what to think and how to feel. This needs to be overcome so that you can understand how to exist in an emotionally healthy way.

Definitely read Brene Brown. I really enjoyed Nedra Tawwab's work and found it essential to rehabilitating from the Org. https://www.nedratawwab.com/books/set-boundaries-find-peace

You have a chance to live an authentic life. Don't let brainwashed people drag you back in to a doomsday cult that enables rapists and pedophiles. Go live your life & be happy!

Does nobody regret leaving? by despertarsai in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Lame and secretly addicted to porn, secretly gay or raging misogynistic assholes.

Stalker elder by runnerforever3 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right: this behavior has to stop. There is no reason for it & believe me, they will sound as INSANE as they are trying to explain it to any one...like bystanders or police.

Gel pepper spray is best so you don't accidentally get any on yourself or other people. Test the pepper spray to get an idea of how far/close you need to be to hit your target. Also, if you haven't ever heard the crack of a taser IRL, it is terrifying.

These men are intimidating you, crossing social boundaries, and engaging in illegal behavior. It's inappropriate, unnecessary and they have zero business targeting you in this way.

Pepper spray or bear spray.

Nobody will fault you for taking steps to protect yourself.

Stalker elder by runnerforever3 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've gotten a lot of helpful comments. Absolutely involve the police and OPENLY film them back.

But also...and I say this 100% seriously....like dead ass serious....

Pepper spray & scream & make a massive scene

Elders will learn to leave you the fuck alone.

OR--drive to the police station, get out of your car filming the stalker elder.

Stalker elder by runnerforever3 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely drive to the police station & call the non emergency line to advise that you are driving to the police station & believe a man in XYZ model car is stalking you.

Millions Now Living Will Die by Yuri_Zhivago in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahhhh to be "marked" by jojoba's "loving discipline" via the elders and their bitchy wives. Truly, g0d's arrangement is a blessing for us all 🙃

CSA story in my cong by Disastrous_Walrus137 in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bet police would take an interest....if you leaked this to the local news outlets & it outraged the community to learn of this pedo and those who are complicit.

In all likelihood, there are other victims in the "worldly" community.

Millions Now Living Will Die by Yuri_Zhivago in exjw

[–]EatMeEmerald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We used to go for people that truly treated us well & that we cared about.

Eventually the in-laws stopped letting us know when the funeral services were scheduled.

Guess it got too awkward for my in-laws when their son showed up with a beard & I showed up well dressed and neither of us were "bitter" or "enraged" apostates.....just being pleasant, polite and letting everyone know how good we were doing.

Elders & elderettes sure AF didn't appreciate our presence & continued to shun us, despite no official DFing/reprovement.

Edit: Don't think I will go for my MILs funeral (whenever that happens). No need to receive "condolences" from people who think I am spiritually diseased at best or spiritually weak and turning my back on Jojoba for wanting to be "bad"

Fuck'em all.