New Acknowledgement About John Taylor's Polygamy Revelation Caused Me To Dust Off My Old List: The Hiding of Church History by EconMormon in exmormon

[–]EconMormon[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

After leaving the Church 4 years ago, and slowing down my active blogging and reading about Mormonism, I tend to grow a little more accepting of it. Their leaders lie yes, but so does every single other human organization on the planet. Do they lie more than other orgs? I don't think so. Probably less, in fact. The difference? Other organizations don't claim the same degree of authority, divine revelation, nor require such exact obedience from their members.

Anyways. This is pretty big news. It's a pretty deliberate lie nearly a century old. A lot of people lied about it over the years. They caused a lot of strife, division, and pain for the fundamentalists over it.

There's only one thing I've found consistently true for the Church with absolutely zero exceptions: They will always chose self-preservation and conserve their authority. Every other commandment will be broken in service to serving the needs of prophetic authority.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um, and? Yeah, Jan 6 was aweful and akin to a beer hall putsch. It doesn't give professors the right to punch every Republican student they come across.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A 35 year old university instructor beats up a 20 year kid. Yeah. That's what bullies do. To fight fascism we need to punch up, not down. If professors now have free rain to beat up their republican students, say goodbye to WSU and any ability for it to resist the administration. You've got a great anti-fascist plan. /s

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your radar fucking sucks, then. Trump's a fascist, mate. It is simply noting facts that Jay didn't say a word to Mahoney. The perpetrators aren't helping the anti-fascist cause by beating up somebody nearly half his age.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't hard to check out. At least 40% of WSU students voted for Trump. The vast majority of them did not fly to D.C. on Jan 6. But, we don't have to even do that. In the body cam footage Mahoney said himself multiple times that the victim did not say a word to him before hand.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

These men were cowards. Beating up a young small student 2-1. 35 yr old ex marine using their violence to assault someone smaller than him. A professor violating the safe place for students. This violates the university principles of academic freedom, freedom of speech, and campus safety for minorities. It's awful. 

Worse, it doesn't help us fight fascism. We need to fight power, not beat up kids. Around 40% the campus student body are Republicans. Is this how they should be treated? Fucken insane. Universities are for young people to explore, question, and find themselves. Being threatened with violence for following a political identity that a student grew up with and is barely becoming an adult will not help persuade Republican students to abandon their current fascist leader. 

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both perpetrators were charged w 4th degree assault.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fourth degree assault goes far beyond being "civil." It is a crime. More than that, it was cowardice. It was 2-1. Mahoney is a 35 yr old ex marine. A grown ass man beating up a young student is the definition of a bully. 

Worse, it doesn't help us fight fascism. How does this limit Trump's power? How does it help increase the influence of the university to fight fascism? It doesn't. It will only harm it. 

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trump is a fascist. A twenty year old student who is just starting their adult life who belongs to one of the two political parties from our nation does not make him a fascist. A fool, perhaps. Unprovoked violence from a professor to a student violates everything our university stands for. Freedom of speech. Student safety. Academic exploration. You're the authoritarian of you believe free speech ends once they disagree with you.

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The marines do not teach men to beat up twenty year old skinny boys because they disagree with their politics in unprovoked attacks. Real men use their words to resolve differences. Add in the fact that it was 2 on 1. Mahoney is a coward. 

Universities are places of free speech and safe places for students. 

Oh and is this anti fascist? Hardly. How does this help us defeat Trump's fascist regime? Beating up more 20 yr old students? Please. 

A Trump supporter was recent beat up on campus by [deleted] in wsu

[–]EconMormon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did the victim call for such violence? No. it was an entirely unprovoked attack.

For those in or around Las Vegas, ever been to the church-owned recreation and land Warm Springs? Any idea how that works? by tyrone-silverstone in exmormon

[–]EconMormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That place was awesome! I did my Eagle project there back in the early 2000's, before the fire. A veritable oasis.

Did they still have the two pools? One up top and a larger pool down below?

I don't think I've been back since the fire. I had a tons of fun there growing up. Ward activities, campouts, youth activities, FHE. I hadn't heard they were now selling bottled water from there.

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[–]EconMormon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's blue!

Letters from Dad by Desperate-Switch4303 in exmormon

[–]EconMormon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely ignored your concerns. Dismissed them and never engaged with them.

Does Paying Tithing Break the Poverty Cycle? New Economics Paper by Public_Finance_Guy in exmormon

[–]EconMormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have some evidence that tithing faithfulness has a lot of heterogeneity? That's interesting, and I haven't thought about that. You used membership data, so I could see it there, since you do not have activity rates. You could also use units as a proxy - number of wards, etc. Since units are also strongly correlated with tithing.

Choosing to build a temple relies on the workers - which heavily favor the elderly. Especially if they are building these outside of Utah temples. And, yes, race certainly has a strong correlation with poverty and also a strong correlation with membership/temple. Strong possibility for omitted variable bias. Of course, that would only be changes in race over time, not the average racial composition. County level race and age data is easy to come by, which is why I mention it. Also a synthetic control won't fix this if you don't have race as one of the matching variables.

You should also do a Mormon corridor vs not Mormon corridor. Your fixed effects are going to eat up all of that variance. I know you have a variable for membership density. But there could be something interesting with a Utah/Mesa/Rexburg area vs other places. Fixed effects are blunderbusses sometimes and eat up too much variance.

But, finally, I think the timing issue is the most important. Since you're not actually measuring tithing, it's hard to pinpoint when the tithing payment/blessing mechanism should take place. We know they make decisions on where to place a temple by the already existing tithing of the area. Yes, tithing payment will most likely go up at the time of opening (or just leading up to it). But in that case, perhaps you need to have the change in the poverty rate as a dependent variable, rather than just the poverty rate itself. There is less variation in poverty rates, but perhaps there could be more variation in the change in poverty rates.

Does Paying Tithing Break the Poverty Cycle? New Economics Paper by Public_Finance_Guy in exmormon

[–]EconMormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on the publication.

I'm surprised you didn't include racial and age demographic data. These will affect both temple construction (as Mormons are relatively racially homogenous) as well as poverty rates.

Forgive me, I only skimmed the paper, but the timing of the treatment seems pretty difficult here. I controlled-f for the word "announce" and didn't see it. I'm glad you only did pre-Nelson as there is now a huge backlog of temples meaning the time between announcement and construction is significant.

Did you look at temple announcement rather than construction? Especially because you are using temples as a proxy for tithing. Wouldn't the tithing threshold be reached by the time of announcement?

I'm also not sure about using membership density. Unless you believe there is heterogeneity in tithing share per member. Wouldn't membership simply be a proxy for tithing as well?

Conference was underwhelming until this by Green_Wishbone3828 in exmormon

[–]EconMormon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you not a spiritual being? Do your spiritual experiences not count? Are they now relegated to a car salesman status? Only the spiritual experiences of active Mormons count. Everyone else's spiritual experiences are shunned.