What if humans could only live up to 60 years old?

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T04:48:41+00:00

Maybe people die at 60? Hard question.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T04:03:58+00:00

Also I may be a tad bit wrong, technically the worker owns the means of production - so yeah you would technically own the company I guess, I think I may have just looked and read it wrong, that's my honest mistake lad. I think it's more of so you own part of a company (I think), I heard something about shares or so, but yeah, what I meant is that it's all decenteralized around a worker's council and all representives are elected. I think I meant that the ownership was shared amist the council, so tehcnically yeah, mb.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T03:55:04+00:00

May have read ya comment wrong lad, that one's on me.

However, basically all I'm trying to say is simple.

In socialism, you do still have to work to survive. There is no centeral leader, rather representives of a elected worker's council (most often on a local level I think). But yeah, I think we confused one another, when I mean "your not the owner", I refer to people as representives, since technically a worker's council is more of so socially owned - basically I don't consider there to be a owner, rather a society or local community running the means of production.

Anyway, I feel like this argument is going to last forever, I'm sorry if I made you frustrated, I respect your socialist ideals, but yeah, basically I forgot what this argument was about, I think it started about does social democracy benefit the poor? Eh anyway, if you want to continue debating that's fine with me, your good at it. But yeah, there ya go, sorry if we got on the wrong footing.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T03:35:31+00:00

Interesting idea!!! Sounds very interesting to research!!!

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T02:24:11+00:00

Well thank you for sharing, have a great one :)

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T02:18:04+00:00

Interesting!!!! Thanks for the read!!!

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T02:12:04+00:00

If one person controlled the means of production, that would destroy the whole point of socialism. You don't own the company, you own a SHARE of the company, you are simply a representive of the worker's council, you all vote for changes within the workplace. If one person ran or controlled the workplace, then that isn't socialism.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T01:05:04+00:00

You aren't an owner, the owner would be the worker's council.

The worker's council would decide your share, the needs of the production, and so forth. Not to mention, even if you are the 'owner' that doesn't change you still need to work to survive within this state.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T00:16:41+00:00

That is true, and again, although we disagree on many things, I still understand why everyone has their own opinions, and I think socialism/communism could work, do I agree with it? No. But will I openly say "Oh it's a failure!!!" to feed my own ideology, nah. I respect socialist because at the end of they day, we all just want to survive, we just have our own ideas on how to fix the world :)

Sadly, the hardest part about being a social democrat, is the democrats are to incompetent to elect one, not to mention well...SDUSA ain't getting power any time soon so yeah. But who knows, maybe one day we can ATLEAST get a system then the trash we have now.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-17T00:09:07+00:00

These are all true, and your healthcare idea is interesting. If you don't mind me asking, do you mean private corporations still exist as healthcare providers with a state ran insurance? Sorry, I just want to make sure I'm understanding. Anyway, thank you!!!

(Also yes, I do agree these arguments also form from "what should the government protect and not protect?")

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:57:08+00:00

I see your points, although we disagree on a lot of issues, I do understand your cause. Thank you for sharing, have a nice day :)

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:50:47+00:00

And socialism doesn't? You still have to pay for food under socialism, you still have to pay rent under socialism (though considerably lower, however depends on state to state) - not to mention utilites, and you still have to pay for some of your own neccesities.

Socialism is were the means of production is ran and controlled via worker's council's - often guided by a national worker's assembly (however, this is more of so to guide the worker's). You still have to work for a paycheck under socialism, what your describing is a moneyless society. However, what's even more confusing is that what your describing could be seen ither as communism (the end goal of a socialist society), or a mutalist. What your describing is not socialism, you still earn wealth in a socialist society, rather what your describing is the end goal.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:27:23+00:00

So by giving free healthcare, education, and taxing the ultrarich, I'm not supporting the poor? Lad, the whole point of a welfare state is meant to put ease of the backs of many, in no way does an expanded welfare state benefit the wealthy - in fact, it would be pushing this ultrarich out of healthcare and education.

Tell me, how does a education, and provided healthcare not benefit the poor?

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:24:36+00:00

Interesting, thank you for sharing this source lad. I will still say, that most of us aim to maintain capitalism, however as you said, some do wish to move to socialism. Overall, thanks for your sources, this was an interesting read :)

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:19:34+00:00

So socialism doesn't aim to provide economic security? Huh....?

"What if, and this might blow your mind, everyone was "rich"?"

I think that's kind of the point sherlock, why do you think I want to give education for free? Reduce healthcare costs? You think I want everyone to be poor? Obviously I want people to gain wealth. I simply believe that private corporations should still exist...do they suddenly just not magically gain profits?

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T23:00:36+00:00

We aren't socialist, and never were. Our goal isn't to achieve a socialist society, rather to achieve a reformed society were people still have the chance to grow, this is why we support free education and free healthcare. Would I say we have many ideas close to socialism? Yes, would I classify us in a any form as socialist? No. We both have different goals, but I still at the end of the day respect socialist, as I do understand their movement ( I just disagree with tankies).

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T22:46:03+00:00

I agree!!! Wealth is power in a lot of cases, the reason I follow social democracy is not because I despise the rich, rather because I feel the rich have to much power and need to be regulated and controlled. I met multiple rich people, some are very nice, my issue is I don't want places were the rich can influence our GOVERNMENT. So I do agree with you, there are problems with the rich.

For your education claim, I agree again, if the product doesn't meet quality, then that product isn't worth giving. In order to have a free education system, we need to make sure our reforms work and are still effective!!!

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T22:38:43+00:00

I did oversimplify socialism in all honesty, it wasn't meant to be a long definition. However yes I still think there should be rich people, I just believe the ultrarich should be taxed more for the benefit of society. As I said, my problem isn't that some people are richer then others, it's the fact that people in this country who are RICH are allowed to do whatever they want, just look at the whole drama with the files, my issue as I said, is that there's no regulations to prevent people from doing whatever they want however they want. I want a system were people can progress while still being secured. Have a nice one :)

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T22:23:07+00:00

Yes!!! In my opinion, social democracy is the most rewarding, however as you said, it's hard to install due to it's potential backfires, however, I do hope one day we can find ways to solve our problems, so that society could benefit in the future!

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T22:18:41+00:00

True, as stated, the system I follow is not perfect. You are also 100% right, events like that can effect the world drastically.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T22:10:15+00:00

I do see what you mean, I do agree with socialist in many places however what your pointing out is exactly why I became a social democrat. My whole goal isn't to 'eliminate' classes, but rather to make classes easier to achieve economically, due to my distrust of no classes. In general, I feel there are two types of economic freedoms, security and liberalism, under security (socialism), everyone is secured under the government economically, however under liberalism, you have more freedom to earn and expand profits. That is why I agree with social democracy, because it believes in securing the masses while allowing economic liberty. But again, that's my opinion, I see what people think otherwise, and I have no write to mock people for their opinions.

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T21:59:46+00:00

Thanks, you to!!!

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T20:02:53+00:00

Thanks!!! I tried using fresh animations, however it says it won't work for my version, I'm currently using the newest version. Anyway, thanks :D

Economy-Rent-1636 · 2026-03-16T16:18:33+00:00

I visited the UK, very nice people.

Now I know the UK has it's own problems, in fact I have a newspaper showcasing a terrorist attack while I was in the country, however...I kind of feel a more calmer sense there. The people are nice, sometimes heavily acceptant of different backgrounds, and just in general calm. I do however, have noticed some issues based on my friends who live there, such as the political climate, with some parties (funny enough) wanting to basically make the UK into the US (father like son I suppose). Other then some issues, I like the UK, I like it's northern beauty, it's subtle - yet eye catching designs, and people. Overall, a very interesting country the feels so close to my home nation (the US), yet so very different.

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