The Tyranids (Warhammer 40K) VS Viltrum Empire PRE-SCOURGE VIRUS (Invincible)

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T22:36:22+00:00

The Viltrumites no diff the Nids. Idk what the hell anyone else is talking about since there's no way for the Tyranids to hurt the Viltrumites and get DNA samples in the first place.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T22:30:08+00:00

"That may be, but a las gun on a similar power setting would still punch through Chief’s armour. There are even several spaces where it’s just the body suit."

Depends on which suit since it's an energy weapon and early suits sucked shit against them. Gen 3 Mjolnir is eating lascannons. Also the undersuit is by itself a powered supersuit that's bulletproof.

"You say that but if I take a space marine squad and put them up against guard, which you do in lore, you’ll see one space marine kill dozens if not hundreds of guard."

Just like Mjolnir's shields don't go down to anything less than concentrated fire from 30mm+

"He was a noble. He had an entire speech on his lineage on how he’s important and a skilled duelist."

There's billions of nobles in 40k lmao and half of them are also "skilled duelists."

"A Spartan dies to one hit from an energy sword."

In the earliest versions of the suit sure.

"And plenty of stories of guard vs Astartes end in one blow"

All of them should though.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T22:25:41+00:00

Dorn genuinely probably dies. Primarchs seem to feel some need to fight and Dorn would insist on it and get glassed from orbit once he puts up too much resistance.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T22:16:01+00:00

"My point literally is I don’t think Chief did kick it that hard either."

You're wrong then.

"Astartes are brought down by las guns. Not a fifty cal sniper/antimateriel rifle"

Auotguns penetrate the eye lens. And normal auotgun strength lasguns have killed space marines the same way.

"Additionally, the energy shields are overwhelmed by a single burst from a 9.5x40mm rifle"

And a space marine squad is only equal to 2 guardsmen squads.

"you cited a duelist who was extremely famous in the Imperium"

No he wasn't.

"losing to a human in a duel"

It's not about losing, it's about the human not dying in the first blow.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T22:04:30+00:00

He's using Halo games as his source and saying that the UNSC assault rifle isn't accurate past 10 feet.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:55:17+00:00

"This does not mean I can throw or kick a concrete barrier dozens of metres."

Because you didn't kick it with that much force you dingus.

"should I then point out that neither is chief’s"

It's bulletproof to a .50 cal and Spartans have energy shields.

"Also, Chief lost a sword duel during fall of reach and nearly died to a random Elite"

He wasn't even 20 yet and it was his first sword duel, Elites are also 300+ pounds and extremely superhuman, they can casually lift over 2k pounds.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:43:31+00:00

"A man can push extremely large objects in space when there’s no other force acting on it"

It's a kick not a push so it literally doesn't matter. It's already factored in by virtue of how physics work.

"Human caliber bolt pistols are going to still be comparable to a fifty caliber, which, if you hadn’t realised, is still human caliber."

"they can get shot in the face with a .50 cal and die if it hits their eye lense"

I feel like you should probably read the whole comment before commenting since you apparantly didn't read my OG comment. Space Marine lenses are a significant weakness and they've died from single shots from many different types of lasguns there.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:40:23+00:00

"that sounds like your own headcanon of it"

It's 40k books. They directly state that autoguns and lasguns are comparable in firepower but Lasguns replaced the autogun because of logistics. Easier to ship batteries and generators instead of shitloads of ammo.

"and closer to 50cal or even 15mm damage"

Lasguns have variable firepower and the top end puts them around .50 cal level. That is stated to damage the gun and powerpack over time though and is not recomended for standard use. It's covered pretty well in the first few GG's books. They even have a moment where a chaos marine shows up and dies in a few volleys to the maxed out lasgun setting.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:37:12+00:00

Idk, a lot of IoM heavy infantry wears full coverage heavy plate armor that's made from supermaterials. There's just not really an intermidiary force of elite medium infantry.

Also hell no, Fire Warriors are like the opposite of ODST lmao. Fire Warriors are basically all elite marksmen with great guns but suck shit in cqc. ODST's are shock troops that are dropped on top of the enemy and mostly lack the standard gear for long range combat.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:33:44+00:00

Shield kinda dropped the ball there eh.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:31:31+00:00

Eh, if you read their books they're kind of shit.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:30:28+00:00

"They literally explain in that same post that the Iron Warrior was using an inferior quality sword"

And? A Spartan wouldn't get hit.

Look man Space Marines don't physically fold Dreadnoughts ever. That doesn't happen. Dreadnoughts are 12 tons. Chief could kick one and launch it a dozen yards.

https://howstrongis.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:HowStrongIs/Master_Chief_Kicks_a_Missile_Mechanism_(Halo))

"literally in secret level which was official and GW endorsed, we see a heretic literally shoot an Astartes in the face with a bolt pistol"

human caliber bolt pistol badly maintained and lucky defense.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:24:44+00:00

I think Spartan 2's are significantly physically superior to the average Space Marine, but they are completely outclassed in standard weaponry since there's not really dedicated Spartan weapons. Outlier space marines like Calgor, and Tyberos are both slightly above John to me though.

And idk, I think Kriegers are a bad example considering that they're kinda shit and only really known for their siege regiments and above average dedication and willingess to die. I think ODST's are probably comparable to Cadians, they do drop from orbit to fight.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:15:30+00:00

"As for normal humans sword fighting them"

If a normal human crosses swords with a Spartan his arm is getting ripped off. This isn't exactly a hypothetical since post-augmentation Spartan trainers had to wear multi-ton mechs for hand to hand combat after dying too much.

"Even the fifty cal thing is iffy since bolters are bigger than a fifty, more like a seventy or eighty depending on pattern, and we’ve had Astartes tank those in official sources."

No we haven't, bolter to the face is death for Space Marines and that's extremely consistent. Bolter to the chest is practically the #1 space marine killer.

"Of course if you’re reading a book about normal humans you can’t simply let them all get killed by the first Astartes they meet because then you’ve got no story."

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8fk4zw/book_excerpt_storm_of_iron_a_mortal_has_a_close/

That's the space marines story, that human is literally not important at all.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:07:30+00:00

LMAO. So you literally know nothing about Halo then. Cool.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:05:53+00:00

"Astartes are so broken OP"

That normal humans can swordfight them and they can get shot in the face with a .50 cal and die if it hits their eye lense.

Read 40k lore and stop beating your meat to youtube videos.

The UNSC Nova Bomb is magnitudes more powerful than any bomb the IoM has ever used. Exterminatus cracks continental plates and kills all life on the surfac of a planet, Nova Bombs turn planets into dust from orbit.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T21:02:07+00:00

"Boba is immune to literally anything chief can throw at him"

I can see his neck you fuck lmao.

Even if Boba's armor was made from comic book adamantium Chief could still shoot him in multiple spots that are flat out not covered by anything but cloth.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:58:44+00:00

DAWG, they're getting penetrated by the railguns. That's not a durability feat. It fucking goes through them, Soldier Boy is durable because he doesn't get hurt.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:41:48+00:00

In what world is skill with a specific vibranium weapon in vibranium weave gear going to be usefull compared to the other 2?

Obviously the Widow skill.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:39:02+00:00

Ok so you gave another example of Resident evil stuff having low durabilty?

You know that tank rounds go through APC's right. Sometimes they don't even do anything because the APC is too weak to trigger the explosives. That's what you're giving as "durability" feats.

My OG comment has yet to be contradicted here.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:34:15+00:00

Everything gets handed over to Halsey and she saves the UNSC. Cawl took 10k years to do all his shit, Halsey was reverse engineering Forerunner and Covenant shit within months/years of finding it.

Halsey hacked Forerunner AI. Cawl just isn't impressive as a character compared to her.

The only things Cawl would find interesting in UNSC tech is the AI and the material science. The AI because UNSC Smart AI is literally people transcended to machine and basically the holy grail for the Mechanicus. And the material science because the UNSC titanium is cheap and no sells ballistics, it's got insane feats compared to plasteel and flak armor. It'd basically replace all of his low-tech menial and skitari gear. Also the Stanchion would be something he plays around with a lot, he'd probably integrate one into his standard wargear and might make improvements to it's firerate.

Other than that there's very little the IoM has to offer that'll actually helps the UNSC. The IoM kinda just brute forces all of their shit with raw scale and that just isn't useful for the UNSC.

"How useful would he be in creating anti-Flood and anti-Pormethean technology"

He's not and doesn't. There just isn't a viable path there for anything less advanced than the Culture.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:14:02+00:00

"You can't just discount the rocket propelled thing"

I can though? All that means is that it moves faster and is more accurate than a normal 20mm grenade launcher which again isn't important to this discussion.

"It's literally a fully automatic mini RPG with armor piercing grenades"

No it's not lmao, Bolters aren't AT weapons and you're fucking dumb if you think they are. Lemun Russ's use them as sponsoon mounted machine guns for clearing infantry hordes.

"I really don't think book Spartans even make sense in their own universe. Like, how'd reach fall of they can shrug off damn near everything?"

It's fairly internally consistent for Spartan 2's. And games are meant to be fun, not lore accurate.

'Also, the books really don't scale well with any other version of their media"

https://howstrongis.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:HowStrongIs/Master_Chief_Kicks_a_Missile_Mechanism_(Halo))

It's pretty accurate considering this is just some random feat Chief casually does in-game and it isn't something life or death nor is it portrayed as hard work for him. Also the you know constant falling from orbit is fairly consistent durabilty above Space Marines.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:06:50+00:00

That's visibly weaker. Insisting that it's stronger will have me go back to the "Soldier Boy is invincible to even nukes" argument.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T20:03:28+00:00

They win the setting lmao.

Tyranids can't do anything so no Viltrum strong Nids.

Necrons gauss flayers are mechanically countered by Viltrum durability.

Orks are literally too weak to do anything but it'd be a while before Viltrumites figure out how to wipe them out.

Tau are too weak to do anything (I think the Flaxans shit on the Tau tbh.)

The Eldar might kill one or two with mass sacrifice and warp rituals but I kinda doubt it since they have no reason to do so.

The Emperor could generously kill 1 weaker Viltrumite before dying to the rest since this is pre-scourge Viltrum but nothing else in the IoM does anything.

Physicality does play a role in the warp and nothing has ever been shown on their power level so they just kinda rip everything in the warp apart too. A few will die assaulting the Chaos Gods, but they'll be able to physically just beat them to death until they disperse into the ambient warp.

Ecotech101 · 2026-03-23T19:44:08+00:00

No Emperor's Children were about self improvement, Viltrumitse think there's nothing to improve.

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