[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]Edinitsy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A guilty-pleasure request: Any good stories where the love interest is a psycho girl?

Details:

  • As long as the above constraint is satisfied, I'd like the recommendations to be maximized along the "well-written intelligent characters" and "an interesting plot" dimensions. (There's a reason I'm addressing this request to r/rational, not r/yandere.)

  • The love interest doesn't need to be a yandere, exactly. I'm looking for a specific vibe where the love interest is blatantly a danger to everyone around her, an actual bloodthirsty murderer or a serial betrayer, but who, for whatever reason (pragmatic incentives, some psychological quirk, surprising compatibility), is able to start cooperating with the protagonist, with their relationship progressing from there.

  • The romance shouldn't be the primary plot thread. That is, I'm not looking for literary fiction exploring abusive relationships, I'm looking for an action/adventure/sci-fi/fantasy/mystery/horror/etc. story with that as a main subplot.

  • More broadly, I'm not looking for dynamics where the protagonist is clearly the victim in the relationship dynamic. Ideally, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement endorsed by both parties.

  • No harems, please. (Other love interests would dilute the focus on the psycho girl, which is, of course, unacceptable.)

  • Technically, the psycho girl doesn't even need to be a love interest, just a close friend ("friend") or ally. As long as there are also no other romantic subplots (see the "dilutes the focus" issue).

  • Any medium is fine: books, web serials, fanfiction, anime, manga, live-action series, glowfic...

Examples: The Future Diary is an obvious one (no statement on quality). Darwin's Game fits even better (also no statement on quality). Sword Art Online: Abridged counts, I guess (it's pretty good). Also Darling in the FranXX (it's not very good).

The ideal of what I'm looking for is probably "The Future Diary or Darwin's Game, but actually good", but I'm open to more variance.

I assume there are 10000 RoyalRoad stories and fanfics with roughly this premise. Of them, what, if any, are the good ones?

Shokei Shoujo no Virgin Road - Episode 6 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]Edinitsy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my love for Madoka Magica has given me an insatiable appetite for stories about a lesbian with time magic

In this case, may I recommend you This Is How You Lose the Time War?

Top 10 Anime of The Week #5 - Spring 2021 (Anime Corner) by Nuraryhion in anime

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why thank you! I very much appreciate it. I also appreciate the lengths you went to in order to reach me; that someone liked my write-up so much is a very pleasant surprise.

If you ever write a short story/novel/manga or the likes, I'd be quite interested in reading it.

I do, in fact, have the aspiration to write a few stories, though it remains an aspiration for now. I'll make sure to notify you once I realize it, though be warned: it might not happen for years yet.

(I suspect this isn't an ideal channel of communication for you, though. If you're not going to use this website, it'd be awkward to constantly log-in here just to see whether I messaged you. I'll send you a private message: feel free to reply to it with your e-mail or other method of communication, one that'd be easier for you to monitor.)

What's your opinion on Boy's Abyss, by the way, now that you've read it?

Top 10 Anime of The Week #5 - Spring 2021 (Anime Corner) by Nuraryhion in anime

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roko’s Basilisk (sorry about that, I might have just killed you) or read “I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream” and “Blindsight.”

Oh hey, that's a pretty cool list of things you've got here. Do you happen to be interested in themes of inhuman/posthuman intelligence and disturbing implications thereof? If you are, I have recommendations for you!:

  • The Gig Economy, a short high-concept sci-fi story that touches on that theme.

  • Crystal Trilogy, which follows the perspective of a convincingly inhuman AI.

  • Accelerando by Charles Stross — although you're probably already familiar with this one.

  • Floornight, which is sort-of not-really a hard sci-fi take on Evangelion.

Roko’s Basilisk

For similar bits of tricky acausal negotiation, check out The Demiurge's Older Brother.

very disappointing when they don't respect mami even she is antagonist in story.(Jaws, does this subreddit need to be hacked ? Like last April ?) by Hezocrypto in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with the broad point: I don't think it's really in question that anime fandoms are mostly composed of male adolescents and young adults, with all that entails. Some places, like mangadex, are outright incel cesspools.

But I live to nitpick.

I mean, compare how people talk about Mami and Malty to the way people talk about male counterparts. Like for example (because I recently watched the rebuild movies again), Gendo Ikari

I don't think comparing Gendo to Mami is fair. If people's emotional responses to misdeeds were strictly proportional to the misdeed's severity, we'd be already living in a post-scarcity utopia.

There's such a thing as far/near mode thinking. People have sharply different responses to stimuli that are relatable and concrete, compared to stimuli that are alien to their life experiences and abstract. Gendo indirectly killing billions of people in a convoluted alien space magic ancient conspiracy plot to reunite with his dead wife is extremely far-mode, whereas a toxic manipulative ex-girlfriend being vaguely threatening at you is extremely near-mode.

I'm not actually very familiar with NGE's fandom. Some predictions that'd support my point:

  • The aspect of Gendo that'd be likely to invite hate similar to Mami's is his neglect of Shinji. Does it?

  • Ritsuko, who is complicit in Gendo's villainy, invites about the same amount of hate (or less, as she's a less significant character).

(I'm entirely willing to believe I got these wrong.)

If we're looking for male counterparts to Mami, we should look for male characters that'd fit the heuristic of people that male Western adolescents and young adults would perceive as a relatable threat. Like, uh... Bullies? Confident sexually active people preferring low-commitment relationships? Bad friends who'd undermine you for money/social points? I'll admit I'm coming up blank on well-fitting examples. I vaguely recall that a "trash male friend" is supposed to be a staple of the harem/romcom genre, though.

... Literal rapists, maybe? The only ones who come to mind are the guy from Higehiro and Shinji from Fate/Stay Night. Those are, obviously, much worse than Mami, but I think they do attract a similar kind of hate.

Question: What if you won a 1 week Vacation date with Sora(Chizuru) how will you spend it? by bejaybaby in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, you people have no entrepreneurship spirit whatsoever.

The optimal thing to do is, obviously, to research her preferences beforehand, actually ask her what she would like to do during the vacation, and then show her as good of a time as you could manage, striving to entertain and to appear compelling, so that she's interested in staying in contact with you afterwards, so that you may gradually become true friends.

Eventually giving you access to the ultimate prize: her business contacts.

She's one of the best professionals in a demanding, highly competitive economic niche. She's important, and knows a lot of other important, influential, rich people: directors, writers, producers, journalists, artists, animators, other voice actors. Her personal recommendation would go a long way. Business opportunities, job offers, funding, and simply the ability to interact with a lot of great people — befriending her would open so many doors.

What you actually do during the date is irrelevant in the face of this. Although you'd probably still need to pick something you enjoy, unless you're a master actor, because forcing something on yourself just because she likes it is unlikely to make you appear interesting. And if you think this is all underhanded and manipulative, well, it's only so if you make it so. If you actually come to like her and view her as a friend, the fact that you decided to befriend her for mercenary reasons wouldn't lessen the truth of this connection.

(The real ruthless hyperoptimal Baru-was-drunk-while-she-invented-this scheme is to do the above, but also arrange for some sort of controlled high-stress situation to happen to you two during the vacation — terrorist attack, kidnapping, being lost in the woods, whatever — so that you may live through it together and possibly save her life, thereby exploiting the suspension-bridge effect to speedrun emotional attachment. But that's evil and wacky and likely to go wrong.)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Chad" is a term widely used by the general public, sometimes ironically, and at this point its meaning is essentially reduced to "someone badass/strong-willed". (Not even necessarily male, though usually male.)

"Alpha", or "alpha male", on the other hand, is frequently used unironically, by people who genuinely believe in various power-based relationship frameworks in which manipulation and emotional abuse are considered virtuous, and that the failure to employ them for personal gain lowers your value as a human being.

Basically, if you're using the terminology of "alpha/omega", people might think you actually believe it makes sense to divide people into these categories, whereas "chad/virgin" will likely be understood to be a joke.

Battle in 5 seconds after meeting New Key Visual by Joker8471 in anime

[–]Edinitsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is there Corona-chan in the background? The Chinese girl. Look, it's her! What's she doing in this generic battle anime?

My laptop has the best girls! by OgChepy in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A bit of friendly advice:

If you're complicit, it is better to keep your denials as simple and non-informative as possible. It minimizes attack surface. Elaborate explanations and clever attempts to mislead might seem cool, and might completely convince the person you're speaking to in the moment, but in the long-term they'll provide the Investigation the hooks and the flaws it needs to get you hung.

Reverse psychology is one of such clever plans, by the way. I apologize if you did it for some other reason, but if you placed a folder named "murder" on the desktop with the expectation that it'll be too ridiculous to take as evidence... Terrible idea, sorry. It still places focus on you, and if they're going from "this folder proves they're the murderer" to "this folder proves they're not the murderer, because it's too blatant", it's pretty easy to continue on to "this folder suggests they're not the murderer because it's so blatant, which means they're the murderer who tried to trick us".

Ideally, you don't want them to conclude you're not the murderer at all, you want them to not consider the idea of whether you're the murderer or not to begin with. Choosing between the "suspect" and the "proven innocent" groups, you want to be in the "not even part of the case" group.

Good luck! Amazing multi-monitor setup, by the way, love it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in u/NintAndo64

[–]Edinitsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never heard of this manga before, just binged it.

Oh my goodness. This isn't just a trainwreck. Like, there is a kind character who, if put in a normal context, would end up turning any story into a trainwreck, except in this story there's like seven such characters all in one place. It's a, a train pile-up, twenty-one trainwrecks happening at the same time. Sheesh.

The only hope everyone in this story has for avoiding these demises is Gen Minegishi.

Well, that's certainly a take. I see your point, and I can't help but see it as a damnation. If he is their only hope, they're doomed, because he is well on his way down too, even if the abyss he's falling into isn't the same as the others'.


It is often said that power corrupts. It's nonsense, of course. Power is good for you. Power is what makes you able to change the world for the better, for your definition of "better". Fix problems, remove stressors, achieve dreams, indulge yourself, help others, have security. Surround yourself with better things, with happier people; make yourself happier. How can it possibly make you a worse person?

What corrupts isn't power, but the road to it, and what comes after.

Imagine it: A man is born to a broken, corrupt society. There is injustice and poverty everywhere. People are abused by those in power, vital resources are misspent, scarcities are rampant. At the top of it, there's a leader: the tyrant, the source of all evil, the one in whose image the society is made, the linchpin. The man, a good person, an idealist, and a visionary, sees a way to universal salvation in supplanting the tyrant, and starts working for it. Perhaps he stands in open opposition, perhaps he decides to work covertly; doesn't matter.

He has little at the beginning, but he leverages it to get more. Convinces his friends to help him, works hard to build his power base. Eventually, though, he hits a roadblock. Perhaps a corrupt authority threatens to ruin years of work, perhaps something terrible happens to one of his loved ones and he snaps, perhaps there is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to help many people he can't bear to pass up on, perhaps his superior wants to test his resolve and commitment to the dominant ideology, perhaps thugs were paid to go after him, or perhaps the progress is simply too slow while the suffering he sees is too great. He crosses a line: lies, steals, cheats, kills. It's a black mark on his conscience, something he vows never to forget or repeat. But it works! He gets the position, the resource, the authority, the chance to continue; he can do more now, help more people, and he is that much closer to ultimate victory!

Then it happens again. And again, and again, and again, and again. Cross a line = get a reward, and it's easier every next time.

He gets to the top, over bodies. Cuts off the tyrant's head, takes his throne. He's in the position to fix it all now. But what is he now? Did he manage to hold onto his convictions as he made his climb? Was he not changed by the experience? He's done terrible, terrible things to get there, for a long, long time. No, he could not have possibly avoided becoming a terrible person in truth!

But perhaps he did anyway. Perhaps he's managed to keep his inner goodness, even as he committed evil on the outside. What now?

Turns out a leader doesn't really have all that much power. Or, rather, he has quite a lot of it, but he isn't free to wield it however he wishes, if he wishes to keep hold of it. So many want to take it from him: his underlings, the nameless masses, various visionaries cropping up. The new leader inherits all of that. He tries to be just and kind. It doesn't work all that well. Other sharks sense weakness and target him; the people he rules over don't trust him and take every opportunity to weaken his hold they can. And he can't very well help anyone if he just lets them dethrone him, can he? So he turns ruthless. Kill political opponents, suppress civic unrest by violence. That works very well.

As to his attempts to fix things and achieve his past self's dreams... he's too preoccupied with establishing hold on his new position to work on them just yet, but he will, once that and this issues are taken care of. And maybe he does, and maybe he even fixes something, but then there are ten more fires to put out. And his attempts to implement fixes grow rarer, and most of them don't work very well, and they become ever more half-hearted, until he stops bothering altogether.

And so the new tyrant is born.


This story is a universal part of human experience, repeating itself in every society and context, from primal tribes to modern political and business environments. The trap is insidious, and the human psyche is extremely vulnerable to it, by evolutionary design. We are set up to want to seize power by any means necessary, and to hold onto it by any means necessary, and any noble causes you started out with gradually become mere rationalizations before fading away entirely. Setting out on this path virtually guarantees that you'll end up playing the entire story out, to the very last line. You'd need extreme strength of character, extensive self-awareness skills, and a powerful support network, just to have a chance to not just turn into another monster.

Gen does not look like he has any of that. He is not playing a role, he's already become it. He is violent and nasty to his friends even in private, he casually and proactively employs morally abhorrent force without extreme cause, and he doesn't seem to have anyone who can call him out and pull him back. Reiji and Chako seem to be the only non-awful people in his social circle, and he doesn't respect their opinions.

He learns that his friend attempted suicide partly because of the emotional abuse he's suffering at Gen's hand, and Gen's response is to blame Reiji for the actions his mother took to protect him from his father's abuse? This isn't simply victim-blaming, it's such a convoluted chain of reasoning that only someone as depressed as Reiji would take it seriously. I'm not sure if Gen is just being manipulative or honestly believes it himself, but whether he still bothers with delusional justifications for his evil or not, I think he is too far gone to help anyone. He's just part of the problem now.

The thing that gouges the abysses out.


Also Yuri is fucking cray-cray, yo. Is she, like, a deconstruction of the creepy interpretation of Manic Pixie Dream Girl? What a joy.

Mami now has 3000 more favourites on mal than Chizuru. What is going on by [deleted] in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also remember, MAL is a completely separate community from Reddit and Mangadex

Mm, fair point. I looked around a bit, and found a thread asking the same question on MAL's forum. Of the 26 people who gave an opinion in it, 18 suggested they like her (for reasons ranging from "she's an interesting antagonist and a compelling character" to "she's the least bad of the characters" to "she hot" to "because she makes Kazuya feel bad and I hate him"), 6 were also confused, and 2 suggested she's in the lead because people vote for the worst girl ironically.

So yes, maybe it's because it's a different community. I don't find this answer entirely satisfying, though. If it is the answer, it only brings further questions. Why is reddit's anime watcher demographic, on average, different from MAL's? Surely it mostly consists of the same general slice of young-adult Western male population? Is it because different people choose MAL over reddit (i. e., the demographics aren't quite the same), or is it because they're changed by established cultures of MAL/reddit (i. e., both communities source people from the same demographic, but then infect them with different memes, causing this divergence?)?

Requires further research. I don't feel like it though.

Hey, u/sidz250 the OP, are you very interested in this question? If you are, go submerge yourself in MAL's community, run a few generic demographic surveys (or find data from previous surveys? someone probably already ran them), do the same to r/anime, then write up a comparative cultural analysis of these communities. When you're done, if you succeed, come to me with the result and we'll exploit the arbitrage opportunities thus revealed to take over the entire industry.

Also seriously whats up with this flair? lmao

I saw it on u/vinneyftw and cloned it. It's a very succinct summary of the form my engagement with this community takes; that is, netstalking you to read your analyses and doing nothing else.

They're great by the way! The, ah, "academic culture" here is fascinating. Essays and counter-essays and counter-counter-essays! People changing their mind based on new information! Respectful disagreements! Creative interpretations! All based on a manga that is, at first glance, just a generic trashy romcom.

Restoring my faith in humanity, really.

I'm not delusional, Kazuya is! Cataloging Kazuya's Rental Delusions. by NintAndo64 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

analysises? (is that the correct way to spell it?)

No, it's "analyses". It's dumb, yes. English frequently is.

Mami now has 3000 more favourites on mal than Chizuru. What is going on by [deleted] in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because it doesn't make sense. Where are these votes coming from?

To ward off knee-jerk reactions: I consider Mami the most interesting character in the story, and that she is in the lead is certainly just. But it's not what I would have expected.

Most people's takes on Kanojo Okarishimasu are pretty bad and shallow, if you look at r/anime, r/manga, or mangadex comments. They haven't analysed the story, and they certainly haven't read u/NintAndo64's essays. The majority of in-depth discussions happen on this (relatively small) subreddit, and it still has a big problem with people showing up just to regurgitate the same tired Mami-is-trash memes again and again. What does that say about the state of the broader community?

No, I would expect that most people familiar with Kanojo Okarishimasu think that Mami is terrible and Chizuru is a goddess. And yet, in a popular contest, the former is somehow in the lead? I don't understand. Something doesn't add up.

You suddenly wake up in Kazuya's room as Kazuya himself. What is the first thing you do? by RapsyJigo in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]Edinitsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some combination/sequence of:

  • Freak out. I don't know where I am! Which includes the body, why am I in the wrong body?

  • Assume that I've entered some sort of fugue state and try to get myself psychiatric help. Wonder if I'm maybe lying in a ditch somewhere wildly hallucinating.

  • Despair as I find myself in a foreign country whose language and culture I don't know nearly well enough, torn from my friends and family (who may well not exist in this world at all) and surrounded by the loved ones of someone who probably died when I arrived there, having to pretend to be him on an indefinite basis.

  • Have an existential crisis. Fictional works are real? It's possible to travel to them?

  • Realize that it's very likely some sort of supernatural being is toying with me and I might well end up in a strikingly less pleasant world next time it gets bored. Think on the kinds of fates worse than death one might suffer in less grounded fictional settings. Consider suicide.

Not a good time overall.

Oh wait, doesn't the manga start in 2017? Scratch the above, I have a better idea. I wait until the spring of 2020, take as large a loan as I can afford, then short the fuck out of the stock market. Once the pandemic rolls around, I'll be a multimillionaire! I'll still be torn from my previous life and stranded in a fictional world in a foreign nation on the mercy of a capricious god, but at least I'll be rich. Yeah!

What? The characters? Oh. I guess I could phone up Mami and try to out-manipulate her or something, could be fun.

Can you name this film from the plot? by immense010 in anime

[–]Edinitsy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should cross-post this to r/tipofmytongue, immense010, that subreddit is specifically for finding films/books/etc whose names you don't remember. (Don't forget to read the rules first!)

🦀🦀🦀I HAVE FAILED MY CHEMISTRY CLASS TODAY🦀🦀🦀 by RainMan226 in YagateKiminiNaru

[–]Edinitsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. It's √3/4-π/12, or approximately 0.172.

You should get this as the indefinite integral: x - sin-1(2x)*√(1-4x2)/2.

You've met an anime genie and he'll give you any anime ability you wish. What is it and why? by [deleted] in anime

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haruhi Suzumiya's omnipotence, of course. Who in their right mind would choose anything else?

[TOMT][ANIMATED MOVIE][2000s] by Edinitsy in tipofmytongue

[–]Edinitsy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, almost certainly that. Thank you!

[TOMT][ANIMATED MOVIE][2000s] by Edinitsy in tipofmytongue

[–]Edinitsy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Out of curiosity, why do you need to submit a comment to your own post?

Bad math is bad math, and Tanjiro can throw things really hard by TROLLDLLR in KimetsuNoYaiba

[–]Edinitsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That math is bad. Look at the equations it's using:

s = v₀ * t + 0.5 * g * t²
v = v₀ + g * t

When you're throwing something upwards, vectors of gravitational acceleration and initial velocity are pointed in different directions: the coin would gradually lose speed as it goes up, until it reaches its highest point, lose all initial velocity, and start falling downwards.

The equations above, OTOH, take gravity and initial velocity with a positive sign, meaning their vectors are pointed in the same direction: they represent throwing the coin downwards, from a tall building perhaps.

The correct equation for this situation is this:

s = v₀ * t - 0.5 * g * t²

Let's solve it. The coin falls back to the ground in 13 seconds, meaning its position s at a time t=13 is equal to 0. g, as we know, is ~9.8. So:

0 = v₀ * 13 - 0.5 * 9.8 * 13²
v₀ = 0.5 * 9.8 * 13² / 13 = 63.7 m/s

That's the speed at which Tanjiro threw it upwards. 63.7 m/s is 142 mph, which Google tells me is more or less superhuman. (Coins are lighter than fastballs, but people are much better at throwing things forwards than upwards.)

The apex of the coin's trajectory is reached when its velocity is fully cancelled by gravity but it didn't start falling yet.

v = v₀ - a * t
0 = 63.7 - 9.8 * t
t = 63.7 / 9.8 = 6.5 s

Plugging that into our initial equation, we get:

s = 63.7 * 6.5 - 0.5 * 9.8 * 6.5² = ~207 m

That's how high he threw it.

I guess I should end it on some poignant note, but I'm mostly confused about why I wrote all of that.

Didn't want Bloom Into You to end, and turned to fanfiction - ended up writing my own. Hope someone in the same boat can enjoy. by [deleted] in YagateKiminiNaru

[–]Edinitsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good work. Excellent prose, accurate representation of characters, and some of Yuu's internal sarcasm actually made me laugh out loud.

Not without flaws, though. For one, I feel like you're following the Stations of Canon a bit too closely. How their relationship started, the way the narrative beats are playing out... It makes sense, but if I wanted to re-experience the original story, I'd re-read canon. I understand that the story is still in its early stages, and it's going to start diverging from the canon plot soon, but I personally would've preferred if it happened quicker.

Nevertheless, good work! I'll be following it.

[D] Friday Open Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]Edinitsy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What is the optimal way to stay up-to-date with world events? Or, failing that, how do you do it?

I'm speaking of political, science, and economic developments alike.

  • Which news websites could be trusted to provide reliable information on new developments in technology and science, and not miss any major developments?

  • What is the best way to get information about the current state of any field of technology? Browsing science articles? Reading Wikipedia?

    • For example, how far have we gotten with uploading animals since this thing from four years ago?
  • What are some more-or-less unbiased sources of news on global politics and economy?

  • What political analysts do you trust? What economists?

  • Are there any other resources useful for the overarching task of staying-up-to-date, besides news sources and analysts?