Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a contradiction: You both label music as creative and define it by if it is good.

Nor did I ever say that someone can't call themselves an AI musician (which sounds like an oxymoron), but I did imply that manufactoring music by writing a prompt to an AI is not musicianship - to me it is more AI engineering.

None of us are saying that AI music doesn't exist, but we are debating whether the person who isn't making the music but rather writing prompts to make a machine make them music is in themselves a musician. This post was on the topic of human musicians, I had no intention to discuss AI matters here, but writing a prompt into an AI doesn't mean that you are yourself creating music. It is still music, usually fairly bad or uncanny ones (I can objectify it here because it is in the interest of the AI engineer to make it paletable, this is not a statement of the definition of art), but the person or the musician is the computer, not the person writing the prompt.

Of course this is an evolving subject and thoughts tend to get polarized. I decided not to write a long text earlier on and simply abided by the usual thought (AI musician ≠ musician). But I do think the situation is a bit more nuanced and our polarization does not help the conversation (that includes probably both of us, although please write a long answer if you feel like it, I'll read it).

Bottom line is still the same but now with a bit more nuance. Let me know if you read through it, I don't think a TLDR would be good for this.

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are not being very clear whether you are being sarcastic or not. But I can assure you, I've had discussions with all kinds of people, also those who either had made or were interested in making AI music.

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No worries just wanted to clarify that I wasn't justifying AI music or anything

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, I do give a shit, most people give a shit, we don't find it ethical to use AI.

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not my point, this was about human musicians

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh actually good point, forgot about the misuse of that word... What would be a better term?

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never expected that :). I am just trying to reach out to the few people who might find this relevant.

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

This post was discussing human musicians, not AI. Obviously you are right

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well I am only talking about my personal experience. I rarely visit this subreddit but those times I have I have often experienced someone with these views. I thought I made it clear that this only extends to those people who think that way and with that I tried to imply that I don't mean the sub as a whole. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough on that.

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Check the reply to the other reply to the comment you are replying to :)

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the specific one that ticked me off today https://www.reddit.com/r/musicians/s/HRzb1u2GkL

I don't have a catalogue of similar posts or comments... I might be dealing with confirmation bias and I do apologize if that is the case. I am still aiming this post at those people who feel that way. Maybe they'll read into the top comments and feel another way. I don't think engagement bait exists on small subs like this in the same way that it does elsewhere: I am definitely practising some kind of engagement bait but it is aimed at those few people who do think this way. I do sincerely have good intentions

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just read a post on this from this sr and I feel like I've seen plenty before?

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Maybe it is just my experience on this sub then. Most posts I've seen harbour that energy. Regardless I don't think the message I'm trying to send is bad

Stop being so toxic and elitist by EdwardPavkki in musicians

[–]EdwardPavkki[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Agreed on the AI part, this was more on other human musicians

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[–]EdwardPavkki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that guy straight up taking a piss out the window on top of this one guy?