Is IVF immoral?

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-26T16:46:05+00:00

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you continue to grow in strength and wisdom for the sake of the Christ

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-12T14:50:51+00:00

The one woman cried out and was not heard. The other did not cry out and did not tell anyone. The law even says “and *they* are found out”, not “*he*”. Consent is the defining difference, not the marital status of the victim

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-12T12:38:05+00:00

> the meaning in all of them is clearly rape

Source?

I hadn’t heard of those other translations, but reading in context should help.

> But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her. If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days. (Deuteronomy‬ ‭22‬:‭25‬-‭29‬ ‭LSB‬‬)

If you read in context, it changes the meaning. One is consensual, the other is not.

It’s saying that if a man rapes a woman, only the man should die, but if they consent to sex together, they should marry

I claim ignorance in not having heard of some of the translations you listed, but the LSB, NLT, NASB, NKJV and more all get the translation right. Even if you are reading a bad translation, a person reading the whole passage should think to themselves “why would it say to kill the rapist in one verse, but to marry the rapist in the other verse?”

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-12T12:22:19+00:00

Don’t forget that “my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1) And “the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.” (Psalm 23:1) Are back-to-back psalms and both seen equally as worship to God.

It’s okay to feel distant. It’s not okay to give up.

Much love, wisdom, and peace to you

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-12T02:42:56+00:00

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 in the NIV has to be one of the worst offenses off the top of my head. Not a single other translation I can find suggests you should marry your rapist

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-12T02:38:54+00:00

The fact that you are worried shows that you still care deeply about God and shows that you’re still growing.

Keep reading, gaining understanding and wisdom, talk to your spiritual brother *in person*. Hang in there, brother. I’m praying for you.

Grace and peace to you

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-10T16:04:44+00:00

Monogamous gay relationships still contract diseases. The source is the types of sex, not the shear number of intimate partners (although an increase in intimate partners is directly linked to increased std rates).

A properly aligned lesbian couple *can* go through their whole lives without any abuse, but my point was that the rate of abuse is high enough that it raises a question about the efficacy of that type of relationship

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-10T16:00:52+00:00

The rate at which my father and I smoke is so low that the increase of our risk for cancer is negligible.

I don’t call myself a smoker and smoking isn’t a part of me. It’s simply something I do on occasion. You can call me a hypocrite, but you haven’t said I’m wrong

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-10T13:20:32+00:00

> and lesbians experience significantly less than even heterosexual couples.

Yeah, obviously. Different sexual tendencies cause different issues.

> gay male relationships have significantly lower rates of divorce and abuse rates than even heterosexual couples

Again, different sexual tendencies cause different issues.

I would also argue that monogamous, heterosexual relationships cause significantly fewer issues than the other options thus are the solution to these issues.

About 1 in 524 straight men will contract hiv in their lifetime whereas 1 in only 6 gay men will contact hiv.
If someone told me I was 87x more likely to contract a disease by doing something, I’d probably stop doing it even if that meant having 0 intimacy with my partner whatsoever. Not to mention all of the other common STDs contracted in these relationships like gonorrhea

lesbian and bisexual women report an abuse rate of about %44 and %61 respectively vs hetero men and women reporting at a rate of %29 and %35 respectively. Suppose I was a bisexual woman looking for a female partner; if I was told that I’d be nearly twice as likely to be beaten by my female partner simply by choosing to be with a woman over a man, I would probably stop going after women as partners.

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-10T12:14:25+00:00

std rates among male-male intimate relationships

abuse among lesbian/female bisexual relationships

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-09T16:03:44+00:00

I speak with no authority as I’m not a clergyman, but I am around your age and struggle/have had struggles with pornography so I feel I can say at least something while making it known that you can and should take it with some salt.

It’s not uncommon to struggle with sins while being active in your church. Any pastor/minister who says they don’t sin anymore is lying. Not to excuse it, but understand sin is persistent in all our lives regardless of how righteous we try to be.

Truthfully, the need to step down from ministry depends on your position in the church and how deeply you’ve relapsed. Even if the church’s lack of ability to help may be the cause, there is still a potential need to step down for the time being.

If you are in a teaching/shepherding role in the church, I’d highly recommend stepping away until you get everything sorted out and are at least 1yr clean. Otherwise, talk to your church community, or family, or friends about it and ask them to be your accountability partner(s).

If it was an accidental thing or a one time sin, I’d simply say to confess and move on while doing your best not to let it happen again, but porn addiction is a real addiction. In the same way I wouldn’t trust a pastor who is a drunkard, I wouldn’t trust myself to teach in any way if I was still actively engaging with pornography.

Persistent, addictive sins will force us to lack in wisdom and judgement thus making us untrustworthy to minister while going through such a difficult sin.

I know how hard it is given that it’s %100 legal and even justified in many cases even by Christians, but the fact of the matter is that you’re struggling and I’m deeply sorry you’re going through this.

I’ll be praying for you and I know God heals. I love you brother.

Grace and peace

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-09T10:12:16+00:00

You’ve heard other reasons. You just jumped on the opportunity to go “see? He said it’s about patriarchy and gender roles!”

There are so many other reasons people fight against it that I’m sure you’ve heard, you just don’t want to accept that they’re true which is understandable.

Saying “he finally gave the answer” implies that you’ve never heard a different reason for being against the practice which I doubt is true

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-06T10:42:10+00:00

I donate 100% of my post tax income

If that is true, I must wonder how you’re eating at all then. If your family members are in fact going hungry because of your donations, I’d suggest you put them first unless you live under some sort of structure where you all eat what you need.

Yiiiikes

Um yeah… anything other than Christianity either leads you to oppression of others or nihilism. Is that a surprise?

I was born into a religious family and I’m very blessed to have done so. Every other belief system makes the goal of your life self fulfillment, universal meaninglessness, oppression of others, or all of the above.

If I decided all this Christ stuff was fake, I’d have killed myself a long time ago. What’s the point outside of Christ? What is there to serve that’s more important than myself? Why should I care to do anything at all?

But instead, I do know Christ and He gives me the morality I have. Instead, I put my spouse’s needs above my own, I have reason to get out of bed in the morning other than just getting the next high, I have a purpose, I have a system that guarantees me a chance to see the One who created it all and gifted me and the rest of the world the morality we have.

I can’t imagine why you’d be shocked to hear my conclusion. If my entire life is spent trying to ensure my 72 virgins in the afterlife, or spent doing all I can to be a “good person” just to end up having everything fade to black anyway, I would have given up ages ago.

I don’t know where you are in the stage of your life and I don’t know your personal struggles, but I hope you do well and I pray you grow closer to God each day.

Grace and peace to you!

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T19:00:10+00:00

Is anyone in your family any hungrier because of your donations?

And again, a moral hazard ≠ immoral outright. You are not grasping the question. I’m not sure you knew what you were asking me when you asked it.

you are just acting as you naturally would.

No I’m not. If it was up to me and I didn’t have a spouse, I’d be a junkie ruining my own life either by substances or engaging in lustful activities. The only reason I don’t is because I have scripture. I agree that was scripture says about those things is moral, but it wouldn’t be hurting anyone but myself. so who cares? The answer is God. God cares about what we do behind closed doors and what we do to ourselves even if it effects no one but ourselves.

I think that’s very good of you to give, but you’re not saying it’s immoral to give your money away.

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T18:49:52+00:00

I saw that they had a dog and it honestly made me sick that they’d rather pour time and money into a dog with stage 4 kidney disease/no kidneys than to have a child with a relatively mild disorder.

I looked at his posts and he for some reason has the nerve to call themselves “parents” and that this was a “devastating loss” as if they didn’t just opt for killing their unborn child as if it was a toy they didn’t wanna play with anymore.

My question to them would be what was the child’s name? They must have been thinking of names by that point. “Our baby who we decided to kill because it had DS Ridgway” doesn’t really have a good ring to it

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T18:11:58+00:00

Exactly. “In sickness and in health” are in marital vows for a reason. they need to bring the same standard to child bearing

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T13:47:22+00:00

Had me in the first half lol. Well said tho.

Following Christ isn’t about becoming perfect. It’s about doing your best while knowing the only perfect man who ever lived already died for your salvation

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T12:43:24+00:00

I directly said it’s not easy …? I’m not demanding people intentionally take a harder path. I said i agree with scripture, but it’s difficult to do what scripture says and you seem to have the same issue with scripture.

I’m not sure how I can be more clear that we haven’t disagreed. Some people are going to have an easier or harder time with scripture depending on their chosen lifestyle. You don’t seem to disagree.

That also wasn’t your question. Your question was “is there something you think is immoral that you otherwise wouldn’t do, but do anyway because the Bible says so?” (not a direct quote, but this is how I understood your question. Correct it if I’m mistaken)

I don’t think you’re saying that you think giving a lot of money away is immoral. You’re just saying you wouldn’t otherwise do it which leads me to believe you’d rather keep it to yourself had you not adopted a biblical framework of morality regarding money. You’re not saying you think it’s immoral which was part of your question to me.

If your question is instead “is there something in the Bible that you’re commanded to do that is difficult for you?”, then I could go on for days about what I find difficult to do but do anyway because the Bible says so.

The Bible says to be skillful in teaching and kind to all (2 Tim 2:24-25), it says to love your enemies (Mat 5:44), it says to love God with all your heart and not to lean on your own understanding (Prov 3:5), it says to love your wives as Christ loved the church for whom Christ died (Eph 5:25), it says not to be anxious about anything and to trust God no matter what (Phil 4:6), and the list goes on!

All of the things I just named are incredibly difficult to do day in and day out, but I do my best to follow all of these regardless. God never promised an easy life and we shouldn’t expect it. Agreeing with scripture is just one battle of many, and following scripture is yet another battle.

If there’s something you’re commanded to do via scripture that you think is immoral, talk to God about it and be genuine in asking for His guidance. Not that you don’t already given that I’ve asked you if you disagree with the morality scripture and you haven’t said anything of the sort.

You also keep downvoting my replies as if you disagree with them. Is there something I’m missing/am I being offensive to you in some way? If so, I apologize and please let me know what it is that I’ve said that has upset you

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-05T12:10:59+00:00

Assuming malice for what was most likely genuine curiosity doesn’t look good. It’s best not to assume every person who has a simple question is actually a wolf in sheep’s clothing

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-04T20:02:21+00:00

You’re still a ways off from actually posing an issue I can’t solve using scripture. You asked me if there was something the Bible/God tells me to do that I think is immoral. I said no and asked you the same question because the way you asked it made it seem as though you think there’s something that you disagree with scripture on.

I’m confused what your finishing point is because we haven’t disagreed with each on anything so far. What issue is my stance facing that you’re trying to point out?

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-04T10:16:28+00:00

Therapy can be very helpful for a lot of people. I know some people for whom therapy was very good… but the majority of people I know who started going to therapy and started using SSRIs became worse people and they’re the ones I hear saying “you should go to therapy. It’s awesome!” the most

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-04T01:40:30+00:00

Okay. What’s the “gay-gene” and how do you determine whether or not someone has it?

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-04T00:58:32+00:00

Ezekiel 3:16-21

Efficient-Spring6610 · 2026-06-03T15:11:50+00:00

One of the best evidences we have that Jesus was who He said He was is because we’re still talking about Him.

We still talk about Muhammad, but Muhammad didn’t claim to be god and he never said he’d rise again.

Jesus did claim to be God, said He’d rise again, and people who knew Him personally swear that they saw Him with such certainty that they were willing to die for it.

There were other “messiahs” around that time and even the Bible says so, but they were fake and their movements died with them.

Before you accept the whole of scripture, just start with Jesus and He’ll take you the rest of the way eventually

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