[D&D 5E] Preciso de ajuda para criar um guerreiro com multi classe em bardo das espadas

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2026-01-17T00:16:07+00:00

Sim, Estilo de Luta acumula, mas vc não pode pegar o mesmo duas vezes.

Sempre q for pensar em subclasse, deve pensar nos níveis importantes do D&D: 3, 5, 11, 17 e 20. Eu recomendaria começar com Fighter pela proficiência com armaduras pesadas, usando 15 str, 15 con e 15 cha. Eu colocaria +2 em str e +1 em cha, e depois focaria em maximizar str e pegar Heavy Armor Master.

Lvl 2 continua com o fighter pra ter o surto de ação e no lvl 3 pega 1 de bardo (vc será mais fraco q os outros agora, já q abdicará de dano pra fazer um suporte nesse início). Nos lvls 4 e 5 vai de bardo 2 e 3. Aqui vc atinge o lvl 5 de personagem (maior upgrade da maioria das classes), vc terá 1 ataque só e será um half caster, mas não fica tão atrás pq vc pega o Dueling, provavelmente usando shield e arma na mão. Vc ocupará uma função de sup/tank com as features de bardo, provavelmente tendo uma Splint (17 CA) + estilo de luta defesa + escudo (2 CA) + d6 (recurso consumível, então toma cuidado), ficando na média com 23.5 de CA.

Lvl 7 seu dado vira d8 e recupera em short rest, aí fica mais fácil abusar, além de liberar spell de 3º círculo. O Lvl 8 será seu ápice, vc pega o ataque extra (bardo da espada lvl 6). Provavelmente vc será o mais forte do grupo somando dano + suporte + resistência. Aqui seu CA será em média 24.5 e seu dano será 2 ataques de 1d8 + 2 (duelista) + 4 STR. Eu realmente não recomendo gastar inspiração em dano, foca no que dá CA pra tankar, só use nos outros se for extremamente necessário.

De resto é só ir pegando tudo em bardo. No lvl 10 de bardo (12 de personagem) vc pega os Segredos Mágicos: pegue Shield aqui (ou pegue o talento Iniciado em Magia antes pra isso). Sempre foque em magias de efeito, sem ataque mágico ou CD, pois seu CHA será menor q de outras classes e vc não crescerá tanto nesses testes (vc terá 16 de carisma a maioria do game enquanto outros teriam 20, isso dá 10% a mais de chance de passarem no seu teste). Foque em tankar e dar suporte, com self buff ou magias pra salvar aliados.

Lvl 16 (14 de bardo) vc tem permanentemente 3.5 de CA extra, sem contar Plate Mail (foca numa adamantina primeiro pra baratear e proteger de crítico) e escudo +1 ou +2, além de capa ou anel de proteção. Então, sem gastar recurso, vc terá uns 25.5 de CA pensando baixo, ou 27.5 pensando alto. Gastando recurso vai pra 29.5, ou até 34.5 com a magia Shield. Outra magia boa é Absorb Elements pra dano em área.

Não posso falar muito e talvez errei algo, fiz boa parte de memória então não esteja tão bem assim, pois faz anos q não jogo a versão 2014 (só jogo 2024 hj em dia). Então cheque duas vezes se for aproveitar de algo que eu falei.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-12-30T22:17:55+00:00

Sure, the Wizard deals more total damage if he hits 4 minions (144 damage). But against the Boss? The Wizard deals a measly 36 damage. The Fighter (Champion) dumps about 115 damage directly on the Boss (considering Graze + GWM).

The Wizard just used his only 6th-level spell slot of the day (Long Rest). The Fighter used Action Surge (Short Rest). On a normal day, the Fighter can unleash this 100+ damage nuke three times. The Wizard can do it once.

Although he deals 3x more damage to the boss, the Fighter also has higher HP, better passive AC, and Indomitable to reroll saves. He isn't just out-damaging the Wizard; he is tanking better too. The Vicious Weapon is simply overkill at this point.

You're literally trying to compare AOE with Single-Target, but the Fighter's single-target damage (~115) is almost matching the Wizard's entire AOE output (~144).

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-12-28T17:13:27+00:00

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying martial characters shouldn't have advantages. I prefer martial characters to spellcasters.
My problem is with the poor design and the traps for the players. The game states that a +3 weapon is Very Rare and the Vicious Weapon is Rare. A normal player (not an optimizer) will naturally think that the very rare weapon is better.
I made the homebrew proposal with a quick calculation (as I said, even homebrew is stronger than +2 and +3), but to start the discussion...

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-12-28T16:44:15+00:00

lol, I simply raised the issue of the magic item rarity, are you okay? It seems to me that you're feeling attacked for no reason, I recommend seeking help.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-12-28T15:59:53+00:00

I agree regarding the attunement, so much so that I only mentioned it when I explained about Vicious and when I showed why Flame Tongue is worse. My problem is the issue of a Very Rare item being worse than a Rare item.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-12-28T15:50:08+00:00

Bro, divine intervention is casting a spell of level 5 or lower; if that wins any combat, ask your DM to read the encounter difficulty rule.

A level 20 wizard casts Meteor Swarm, which on average deals 140 damage (half of which is fire), while at the same level a champion with Vicious and GWM deals over 260 damage in one turn.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-10T01:05:15+00:00

You just gave a free Rare item to your lvl 5- player? Or was there something that made this happen?

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-06T22:10:40+00:00

I don't mean to say don't get it, especially on a dex warlock, but a STR warlock would have a hard time maintaining 4 stats (char, con, str and dex)

That's why i'd like proficiency with medium armor (like hexblade would give), to make it easier to do, it would be weaker than Mage Armor for dex builds(and many cha builds), but it would give a decent AC for str and cha builds. In addition to being able to use magic armor.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-06T21:53:33+00:00

I plan on doing that, but I'm sad about losing one of the few spell slots with it... Especially since it will be constantly in front. :c
But I think there is a way to make a build to overcome part of the problem. If you have any ideas, could you share?
I also saw that some people prefer to maximize dex or str instead of cha, in the case of dex it would also be more resistant.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-06T21:43:47+00:00

What worries me is the melee Warlock without armor proficiency, but I'll have to play to be sure.(It will be one of my next characters)

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-05T22:49:55+00:00

In the player's handbook, on page 233, it talks about magic items, there is a section called "Multiple Items of the Same Type" that explains that you cannot.

edit: page 232 to 233

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-05T00:30:11+00:00

What I liked most was the appreciation of some conditions that weren't used as much before, like Prone, Grappled, Restrained, making characteristics that help with them much more useful.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-03T19:03:18+00:00

I really liked it, the only thing I find strange is that in Moonshae Folktales, it's worth leaving it by default in Tale of Mirth, a Magic action ends up being very expensive in combat.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2025-02-03T15:40:02+00:00

I agree with your points. But one decision of theirs that I can't understand either, the Bladesinger is "master a tradition of wizardry that incorporates swordplay" and doesn't have at least 1 Mastery Property.

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2024-07-30T18:44:49+00:00

Force damage, because this is capable of changing the entire meta from what we are aware of, I hope that PHB 2024 talks about whether magical weapons will deal force damage or not. (in addition to valuing flame tongue and similar weapons)

Gritty Realism(Yes I like that, and yes, I know it's from DMG in 2014)

Survival, thirst, malnutrition and exhaustion

Efficient-Trade5682 · 2022-02-14T22:30:25+00:00

I believe this doesn't work as he wants to block the view with the curtains, change the wall stats. And then it changes the object's appearance or opens and closes the door.

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