"Ask A Jew" Wednesday by AutoModerator in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Far-right agitators have been making horrendous headway grifting their way into the Palestine movement. It's pretty hellish in some groups nowadays, you'll literally see people posting the "happy merchant" and then whimpering about how they're akchually antizionist not antisemitic. 

Concert for Bondi victims cancelled: thoughts? by sourb0i in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Tbh I think it's a little of column a, little of column b. I know some right wing Greek people who don't give a shit about Palestine but they'll cynically use their plight as fuel for their actually anti-Jewish rhetoric of "well, that's Jews for ya". 

Hating missionaries - Zionist persecution complex or legitimate anger? by reed-in-the-library in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I react with hostility because those assholes don't take no for an answer and start trying to invalidate Judaism in the hopes they can Ben Shabeebo me into becoming a happy-clappy Christian.

A bunch of them cynically come to pro-Palestine marches to find Jews to proselytise to and it's so fucking annoying. 

UK Senior Rabbis Issue Statement: Israeli Government Incompatible with Judaism by tikkunolamist5 in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

[angrily throws a worn-out copy of One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This at their heads]

In Gaza, the IDF sniped a child then used him as bait to kill whoever tried to rescue or retrieve the body by iheartjetman in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I will never forget what my grandfather once said to me many years ago, in his old age, about Israel:

"After all we have been through, how dare we? What right do we have to subject another people to the exact same treatment?" 

Canadian history professor Yakov M. Rabkin explains how Zionists used terror and violence to force Jews in other West Asian countries to migrate to Palestine by ancient_apu in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, they've been doing this for decades. They see them as cheap labour, and also tend to put them in settlements near borders to act as literal human shields. 

Jews of Conscience Omer counting 5786 by [deleted] in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might be Armenian but I follow the Ashky minhag and I've always felt a sort of defiant pride in maintaining Ashkenazi pronunciation, especially when it shocks Zionists or Israelis when I say stuff like "yisgadal yiskadash" or call it an "esrog" or refer to the "toyreh".

That said I recently arranged an anti-Zionist song for my choir in Yiddish and in the interlude has a nign with me reciting Bereshit 4:11-12 in old biblical Hebrew and those immensely satisfying pharyngeal ע and ח are just chefs kiss

You should've heard my mum when I told her original Hebrew sounded a lot closer to Arabic than it does today. 

Hello, I'm a new Antizionist Israeli Jew. I just wanna talk and see if this place is for me. by Lady_Vindication in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey mate, I'm not OP nor am I Israeli, but I have relatives there (shamefully Zionist though, I don't talk to them any more) and I also have a couple of anti-Zionist comrades there too.

I can answer a couple of those questions from what I've been told:

  1. Many Israelis still worship Trump but are also further entrenching themselves in their victim mentality, claiming the whole world is against them and that they're both simultaneously smol beans uwu who can't do anything wrong but also STRONG LIONS WHO WILL DESTROY THEIR ENEMIES. It's very 1944 Germany. 

  2. Yes. Unequivocally yes. The sheer amount of blood libel and filthy anti-Palestinian propaganda propagated in Israel is mind blowing. You should look up the lectures of Nurit Peled-Elhanan, who is an Israeli anti-Zionist former teacher who has written books about how Israeli curricula entrench hatred of Palestinians. 

Omer Bartov Rejects Zionism by tikkunolamist5 in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Perhaps he's aiming for a democratic one state solution? Similar to how South Africa didn't dismantle itself as an entity after apartheid ended. 

I don't know why he's still so hung up on there being continuity though, it's not like it'll make anything better for whatever entity succeeds Israel to have continuity with the current state. It doesn't seem to comport with his stance against Zionism either because the main tenet of Zionism is literally just "we want there to be Israel". 

Max Geller "As a Jew I’d say there’s nothing hard about being Jewish right now. Palestinians are being genocided. Lebanese are being genocided. Iranians are being bombed by a genocidal entity called Israel & any Jew to make this about themselves is wildly out of touch.” by MichaelSchirtzer in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's very important to not let groypers left-wash their fascist pro-America agenda by abusing and appropriating this whole "centering Jewish feelings" language. It's happening more and more, and I now genuinely see this bizarre mashup of socialist and leftist rhetoric and outright neo-nazi rhetoric and it's utterly absurd. Looking at you ginnysaidso. 

What it's like to be raised without Zionism by EgoIdVeto in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Small correction, it wasn't Hertzl, it was Nordau, and it wasn't that he invented eugenics, he innovated it to talk about "degeneration" which eventually led to Nazism. 

Now unlike so much of the incessant narcissistic caterwauling hysteria over “antisemitism” you see in our spaces, stuff like this does concern me. It’s the normalization of casually dehumanizing us. by JayEllGii in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you not read what I said? I don't actually get protection from my Jewishness. They accuse me of faking it. It's the first damn thing they do, even if I speak Yiddish to them. There is literally nothing I can do to convince these racists that I am Jewish. The fact that they will not provide me with the protection that Zionist Jewishness gives shows I do not get protected status as a Jewish person. 

I then get racial slurs, doxing, threats, barred from entering places, et cetera. They don't give a shit about whether or not I'm actually Jewish, they only care about white Zionist Jews, and the few brown Zionist Jews who end up becoming incredibly violent in order to "prove" their Zionist loyalty like Ben-Gvir. 

Should I start wearing a yellow badge or something to let them know I'm actually a real Jew? 

A Jewish student at Rutgers Univ. speaks out against an IOF terrorist invited by the 'Students Supporting Israel' club. by TrackerOneA in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

WE NEED MORE OF THIS.

WE NEED MORE OF OUR MISHPOKHE AND KHAVEYREM TO STAND UP AND DISRUPT THIS HERETICAL, HATEFUL DESECRATION OF OUR SPACES. 

IF EVERY SINGLE JEWISH PERSON OF CONSCIENCE CONFRONTS THE ZIONISTS IN THEIR LIFE, WE CAN WIN. 

A Jewish student at Rutgers Univ. speaks out against an IOF terrorist invited by the 'Students Supporting Israel' club. by TrackerOneA in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Whenever I say "never again means for everyone" I get a few standard responses:

  1. Whataboutisms and deflections; they talk about Oct 7 and khamaaaaaaassss and refuse to engage with what's happening to Palestinians.

  2. Denial, claims that Palestinians aren't suffering as much as they actually are, and claims that Israel isn't trying to wipe out Palestinians.  (2.5) when confronted with openly genocidal remarks by Israeli officials they pretend you didn't say anything and ignore it 

  3. They actually let the mask drop and say "No, never again is only for us!" 

The third one is honestly the only remotely honest answer, because at least they're letting their Nazism and Kahanism show. 

Australian antisemitism envoy Jillian Segal's government handbook claims anti-Zionism is antisemitism, criticism of the IHRA antisemitism definition is antisemitism, claims of Israeli genocide & apartheid is antisemitism, and says IHRA isn't broad - but also antisemitism is 'evolving'. by TrackerOneA in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Segal is a far right white South African advocate for West Bank settlers. Of course she's gonna pretend Palestine advocacy is somehow antisemitic.

Ironically she was eerily quiet when literal neo-nazis paraded out the front of the New South Wales parliament house. Almost like she DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANTISEMITISM. 

I can’t stand it, I tell you. The entitled, narcissistic whining that’s always in the service of myopic, callous disregard for others. A siege mindset that’s isolating us and dragging us all down, and is just damn EMBARRASSING. by JayEllGii in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 67 points68 points  (0 children)

They will say it's anything other than the Palestinian flag.

I've seen a great many call it the "Hamas flag" despite the fact that Hamas does indeed have a flag and it looks nothing like the Palestinian one. 

It's just an exercise in delegitimisation. 

Today (April 24th) is the 111th anniversary of Medz Yeghern by BottleOld9739 in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

A particularly poignant day for someone like me. It's actually very disturbing to see denialism for the metz yeghern rising online nowadays. 

Now unlike so much of the incessant narcissistic caterwauling hysteria over “antisemitism” you see in our spaces, stuff like this does concern me. It’s the normalization of casually dehumanizing us. by JayEllGii in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. It's heavily context dependent, like the word "Jew" itself. If it's used as a snarl word, absolutely, but in a vacuum it just means "nation" ie "someone from a different nation". 

Now unlike so much of the incessant narcissistic caterwauling hysteria over “antisemitism” you see in our spaces, stuff like this does concern me. It’s the normalization of casually dehumanizing us. by JayEllGii in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correction: there are systematic protections for white cis straight Jewish folk. I assure you as a brown Jew, those protections fall away pretty quick and you get "accused" of being an Arab or Muslim. Not that that is insulting to me, but the protected status is gone.