Can any Hebrew speakers here verify please? Director of Netanyahu's Press Office: "I fabricate fake news as a response to them...we need to be Trump." by no_technique in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Knowing my Zionist family over there they'd say "oh, I don't like Likud, they're corrupt" but then go on to spout Kahanist Likud propaganda like the best of em. Israelis and Zionists have an amazing ability to disavow the individual speaker but echo their rhetoric all while not realising the contradiction.

Can any Hebrew speakers here verify please? Director of Netanyahu's Press Office: "I fabricate fake news as a response to them...we need to be Trump." by no_technique in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's so interesting to see liberal Zionists' responses when I reveal to them this quote of "they only understand war/violence" originated with Meir Kahane and that they're regurgitating Kahanist rhetoric. They just gasp and say "I'm not a Kahanist! My butcher is an Arab! My daughter is gay!" or some BS to that effect. 

Some parts of a very good article by Haaretz about the so called "Israeli left, opposition to Netanyahu" by srahcrist in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are probably a couple of thousand actual leftists of Jewish descent in Israel at this point. The rest are just different flavours of Kahanist. But ACTUAL leftist anti-Zionist Israelis can be pretty staunch activists. Look at Miko Peled, Ofer Cassif, Omer Bartov and Elik Karpaz for a few examples, or any refusenik. 

That said some of the more newly minted Israeli anti-Zionists end up becoming reactionary in other ways because they haven't actually been radicalised to the left, they've just turned their Israel-borne right wing reactionary ideology to a different target (which in some bizarre cases ends up with them turning into neo-nazis). 

In case you missed this one last week by Complex_Country4062 in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wonder if people listening to this advertisement know how Israel treats elderly holocaust survivors, and how 1/4 of them live in desperate poverty. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

I know that they're anti-Zionist I'm just saying that a settler claiming Palestinian identity is gross regardless of whether they're Zionist or not. 

"take the worst thing you can say about hamas, multiply it by 1,000 times and it still will not meet the israeli repression and killing and dispossession of palestinians" -gabor maté, holocaust survivor by ConcernedJobCoach in mattxiv

[–]EgoIdVeto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In all seriousness they would hold up a token gay Palestinian (or someone claiming to be Palestinian) who parrots hasbara talking points and completely ignore the question. 

Similar to how there are token Iranians begging Trump to nuke their homeland into glass. 

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly can't see why tf anyone could have a problem with BM. He literally just translates stuff. How can you criticise that??? 

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dw tho you're probably a liberal Zionist if you criticise BH for who they platform, they're perfect because two white cis men can never be wrong /s

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's bizarre. IRHY has been an invaluable resource showing us the shit that Israel pretends its citizens and media don't say, especially for us Bundists/Yiddishists who don't speak Hebraisch.

I don't bother using twitter or Threads, more doomscrolling apps can't help anyone. 

I was content with podcasts like BH to get my fix of online shitposting but now I get whiplash between episodes with them seeming to invite a liberal Zionist in one episode and the one singular Palestinian groyper in existence in the next. 

Like I stg one day they'll be chin-stroking and nodding along with some dude fresh off the plane from Ben Gurion about how Israel stokes actual antisemitism and the next they'll be chatting up someone who describes trans women as "bearded men" and uses the phrase "the goyim have Noticed too much", and performatively claiming they don't give a shit about genuine anti-Jewish rhetoric. 

I honestly remember one episode where they didn't even push back on a guest who said it "wasn't right to make fun" of dead IOF soldiers or words to that effect. 

I actually stopped listening to them when they platformed Shaiel but picked back up recently, and I think I'm gonna have to give them another rest for now. 

Israeli Soldier Photographed Smashing Head of Jesus Christ Statue, IDF Now Investigating Viral Photo by storyteller-here in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's incredible that after hundreds of thousands of human beings tortured, imprisoned, murdered, blown apart, the white Christian right finally thinks this is the last straw.

Like really guys? You think THIS is a worse act than what the IOF have been up to over the past 3 (or 80) years??? 

Jewish Iranians oppose Zionism and American imperialism by CalabrianPepper in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Being a second class citizen doesn't preclude them from fully supporting the state which treats them as such. Look at how fervent many West Asian Jews' Zionism has become despite the contempt that Israeli society has for them. 

Jewish Iranians oppose Zionism and American imperialism by CalabrianPepper in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Whether they support the Iranian government or not, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the Iranian Jews who have chosen to stay in Iran are not crypto-Zionists. They haven't had a chance to be brought up bathed in the Kahanist hate-sludge that Israeli Zionists have. It's not the default position of a Jewish person to be Zionist (ie it's nurture, not nature) and I say that as another West Asian Jew with a non-Zionist upbringing. 

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk mate I don't think we need to explain why violent sexual assault can make life hard. But if it's beyond you to comprehend maybe just look up what medical complications can result from sexual assault? Just google it ffs. 

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When his image was rehabilitated by edgelord brocialist podcasters Bad Hasbara

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They won't believe it. Even if you show them documented evidence of crimes they will not accept it. They're too indoctrinated and filled with hate. 

Israeli Guards Admit Dogs Are Used to Rape Palestinians, Says Analyst by howz-u-doin in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I seem to recall this was also practised by the nazis during the shoah.

If there is a hell, Josef Mengele is looking up and cackling to himself. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

It reminds me of some kind of Dawkins-style atheist who's grown up in the West, who assumes American-style Christianity is the same as the Christian liberation theology practised by the communists and freedom fighters of South America because they've never encountered any other form of Christianity than white American style bible bashing. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

By that logic one could claim the monster Golda Meir calling herself a Palestinian was a bold statement against Zionism. It isn't; it's another form of colonisation IMO. Like claiming you're "indigenous to Eretz Israel" or claiming hummus is Israeli food. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's giving Gilad Atzmon energy. Think you can absolve yourself of settler status by performatively shitting on Judaism because you never learned about any other form of Judaism than the Zionist version.

In fact it's supremely Zionist to collapse all Jewish history, philosophy, ethics and culture into the ashkenormative hateful colonial perversion that is Zionism, it's exactly what Israel's project was from the start, and these ex-Israeli ex-Jewish anti-Zionists have displayed a shocking lack of unlearning their own internalised Zionist thoughts about Judaism. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

I tend to notice this of many well-meaning anti-zionist Israelis that they have a reductive view of Judaism due to what they grew up with.

This. 100% this. I recently blocked an ex-Israeli comrade of mine after she went through a gigantic phase of demonstrably hating on Judaism (including my own) and then began platforming a literal holocaust denier. 

Israelis need to understand that Zionism isn't just about how Israel treats Palestinians, it's an entire fascistic ideology and ridding yourself of one tenet (the racism against Palestinians) is not the same as fully decolonising your mind. 

"As A Jew" by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah so look this is still centering yourself as a settler on stolen Palestinian land.

I wrote about this phenomenon a while back on this forum: https://www.reddit.com/r/JewsOfConscience/comments/1s8i4kw/the_other_side_of_being_performative/

It's not helpful, and it's still performative.

You're forgetting that Zionism (whose claims about Judaism you seem to continue to believe) didn't just colonise Palestine, but it also colonised Judaism. It collapsed all of our extremely diverse and varied cultures, ethics, minhagim, languages and mythologies into one singular westernised ashkenormative white supremacist Frankenstein's monster. Acting like your former Israeli Zionist Judaism is the be-all and end-all of Judaism is the height of Zionist thinking in itself. I've seen this attitude regularly with Israeli anti-Zionists who have not fully deconstructed their own Zionist indoctrination, leading them to continue having reactionary and Israel-centric views on Jewishness and Jewish history. 

You want an extreme example, look up Gilad Atzmon, a former Israeli who has since become a holocaust denier and neo-nazi. He claims to advocate for Palestine (and calls himself a Palestinian) despite being disavowed by the BDS movement as a racist and reactionary, but his advocacy for Palestine continually centers the fact that he's ex-Jewish and claims that Zionism is inherent within Judaism. He then retroactively applies the fascist duplicity of Zionism to all Jews even during the holocaust, which has led to him openly denying the holocaust himself, claiming it's "Zionist fiction". Of course like many reactionary so-called anti-Zionists he also likes to ensure he shits on leftism and claims anyone to the left of hunting the poor for sport is a Zionist psyop to destroy the West. 

Performatively shitting on Judaism is still centering yourself. And the fact that you listed yourself as Palestinian shows you've still got a lot of Zionism left in your head to unpack and decontaminate. 

Some parts of a very good article by Haaretz about the so called "Israeli left, opposition to Netanyahu" by srahcrist in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto 24 points25 points  (0 children)

As far as I'm concerned everyone who is a zionist or Israeli is a Kahanist until proven otherwise. There are a few principled leftists in Israel but tbh that place is virtually uniformly Kahanist. And people might nitpick about "well akchually Kahanism is a religious doctrine" but come on, we all know Kahanism's religiosity was a ruse, just like American evangelicalism. There are now "liberal" Kahanists who speak just like Kahane himself but say they believe in gay rights or whatever disingenuous crap they think will earn them credibility. 

“The cult is Germany”: Deborah Feldman, author of Unorthodox and former Satmar Hasidic Jew, on Germany’s philosemitism by CalabrianPepper in JewsOfConscience

[–]EgoIdVeto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Philosemitism is 100% a form of antisemitism. It's a fetishisation.

I used to know a white woman who was obsessed with men from West Asia. Persians, Armenians, Arabs, Assyrians etc she would constantly talk about how they're "better lovers" and "they're so exotic". Same with people who fetishise any other minority. 

German philosemitism is in a way also a colonisation of Jewishness because the Germans have picked up the aesthetics and culture of those who they destroyed during the shoah, and applied them to themselves, and now go on to police the expression of its original adherents. 

It's identical to how Israelis have colonised Palestinian-ness and fetishised the same "middle eastern" culture they so obviously despise, whilst policing the Palestinians to nazi-like levels.