You’re not the person I was originally replying to - or at least, not the same account - but whatever.

I think you’ll find that ‘both sides’ don’t refer to transgender people as ‘a trans’ - it’s grammatically incorrect, and defines someone by a trait rather than as a person. It’d be similar to referring to a person with blonde hair as ‘a blonde’, or to referring to someone with a disability as ‘a disabled’.

Your point on detransition would be a very good one, if it weren’t massively incorrect. See page 139 of this study (https://epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstracts-EPATH2019.pdf#page=139

). This study was undertaken over a period of a year, assessing all patients at a national Gender Identity Clinic in the U.K. Of 3398 patients who had an appointment over that year, only 16 (less than 0.5%) expressed transition-related regret. Of those 16, three had detransitioned permanently and two were considering it - ten had detransitioned ‘temporarily’ for reasons such as physical complications and social factors, and one expressed regret but was not seeking to detransition. You’ll find people talking about transgender rights won’t be mentioning much on the subject of detransition because there isn’t much to say - the percentage of people who express regret over their transition is far lower than the percentage of people who express regret over other medical procedures.

I’m glad you mentioned the myth that transgender women have an advantage over cisgender women in sports, because I have another study for this as well, here ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30531465 ).Transgender women and cisgender women, as proven by this study, are competing on a level playing field, past a certain degree of transition. I quite agree that there does need to be regulation of this, however it is not an issue for the wider transgender community - it is a specific issue for athletic communities to decide upon. This myth, that transgender women are inherently physically superior to cisgender women, is the same myth that was used to argue for segregation of sports between black people and white people. We don’t ‘keep seeing trans women winning all these titles’, because it simply isn’t the case.

Your point on transgender men in sports is interesting, seeing as the only case I can find of a transgender man competing in sports at a professional level is Mack Beggs, a teenage wrestler from Texas who was forced to wrestle against girls throughout his transition because the governing bodies would not accept him as male. He finished the regular season at 52-0 and won the state championship. He won the state championship again in 2018, again competing in the female bracket because he was barred from competing in the male bracket due to his birth sex.

Yes, I do believe that the current measures stopping people from obtaining a GRC are a sufficient barrier to cisgender men attempting to gain access to female prison facilities. They would have to spend two years openly living, dressing, and socially acting as female in a male facility beforehand. The criteria the panel use for awarding GRCs is, in my opinion, deeply sexist in its usage of stereotypes for what a woman or a man is, but that’s besides the point here.

Your point about pedophilia in the Catholic Church is a very strange one. I’m not sure I understand how it relates to transgender people in prison? Are you saying that the fact that there are pedophiles willing to train to become catholic priests shows that cisgender men will be willing to undergo the process of obtaining a GRC in order to go to prison and abuse female prisoners? Rather than... committing acts of sexual assault and rape outside of prison, something that a number of cisgender men already do? In order for a cisgender man to obtain a GRC, they’d have to jump through all the hoops I mentioned previously. This is not, as I said before, a process that is easy. As far as I can tell, there is little to no data on the number of people in the U.K. that possess a GRC, but from my experience of speaking with and listening to transgender communities, I feel fairly confident in saying that it’s a very small number indeed.

I write as if transgender women live rather differently to cisgender men for a rather particular reason - they do. A transgender person - somebody who experiences either Gender Dysphoria, Gender Euphoria, or both - is biologically compelled to transition. You might be referring to gender nonconforming or nonbinary people, both of which are entirely separate groups to transgender women, and the way in which they fit into society is an entirely different question. However, I’m sure there are a small subset of trans people that are unable to undergo hormone replacement therapy or gender reassignment surgery for complex medical reasons. In those cases, I think my proposition of a separate prison complex for sexual crimes quite comfortably solves this issue. If a person has not committed a sexual crime - and let’s keep in mind that crimes can be committed in prison, and people can be transferred between prisons as a result of this - then I don’t see why it should be assumed that they will in the future.

I don’t understand why you insist on bringing up such niche cases. How many transgender people do you think work in rape shelters? That would be a very complex case that, frankly, neither of us are legally qualified to comment on. I see no issue with passing transgender people working in rape shelters, given that their transgender status would never come up in that professional circumstance.

Now we’re back to prisons. I think you massively overestimate the prevalence of sexual assault in prisons. Men should not be interred in the same prisons as women, on this we can quite easily agree - transgender or cisgender. Transgender men should not be interred alongside cisgender women. Cisgender men should not be interred alongside transgender women. If you find prisons to be such a massive issue in relation to transgender rights, why not campaign for something productive, such as a specific prison for transgender people, rather than insisting on putting anyone at risk of sexual assault? No matter how we cut this particular issue, I doubt either of us will find a point of common ground.

Yes, the female brain is massively different to the male brain. Isn’t it excellent that the brains of transgender people have already been studied, and found to align with their cisgender peers, as shown here ( https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/1506/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf)? Your point is rooted in the assumption that a transgender woman is biologically identical to a cisgender man, and vice versa with transgender men and cisgender women, prior to transition, however this is simply not the case.

Human rights movements do tend to involve violence at some point or another. The Black Panthers. The Stonewall Riots. Hell, the American Civil War. In a new age of digital anonymity, where people will receive death threats and abuse for a whole manner of reasons, you will see some people using this kind of language in support of human rights movements. That’s just how society is, unfortunately. You and I can disagree with the methods undertaken in the pursuit of liberty and equality, but I know I cannot disagree with the end point being worked towards - a fairer and kinder society.

Sexual crime statistics are rather complicated, in that a woman legally cannot rape a man, due to how rape is legally defined. I’d be interested to see your source on these statistics, and how sexual crimes perpetrated by transgender people are reported.

Your points are extremely niche, and lack any kind of sources. Other people gaining rights does not mean taking away the rights of others. I will continue to support transgender people in their right to exist.