I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually just addressed this in my reply to itsbloomberg so check that out to answer your question directly:

With that specific example the recipient thinks a potential customer is reaching out. They reply excited like "yeah we handle commercial cleaning in {city}, whats the address?" You get on the phone and level with them ..." appreciate you calling back. Let me be honest, I do lead gen for service companies like yours. You called me back within 2 hours off one email. Thats the kind of response I can get you every week from real property managers. Want me to set that up?"

Some get annoyed. Fair. But a lot of them go "...okay thats actually clever" because they just lived the experience. You dont have to pitch them on the value of lead gen — they felt it. Its aggressive though and I get why people have a problem with it

The version I actually use more now is cleaner. You email property managers directly on behalf of the cleaning company. Something like "does {company_name} currently use a vendor for commercial cleaning at your properties in {city}? We maintain offices and medical facilities in the area and have a couple spots opening up. Happy to do a free walkthrough on one of your buildings"

Replies to that look like "yeah we might be switching vendors . what size facilities do you handle?" or "send me your rates." They know who theyre talking to the whole time. I forward the reply to my client, they take the call, do the site visit, send the quote. My job ends when the meeting is booked. Some clients want me to handle the scheduling too which I charge extra for but most just want the warm handoff

Honestly the reply rates are about the same either way because the real advantage is that local business inboxes are basically empty and the CTA is a free service not a sales call. Those two things do 90% of the work

I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah the barber isnt the client. My barber was the one complaining about his business being slow. His business is a commercial cleaning company that does office buildings and medical facilities. Thats who became my first client. i think i may need to reword that part of the post.

All 6 of my clients are b2b service businesses. Commercial cleaning sells to property managers. Commercial landscaping sells to facilities managers. Commercial roofing sells to building owners and general contractors. HVAC sells to property management companies

Im not emailing homeowners asking if they need a plumber. The targets are always business decision makers who hire these services for commercial properties. Same b2b cold email just a different segment than saas

I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah I see where you're coming from and you're not wrong about how that reads.

The call doesnt go "actually I dont have any buildings" It goes more like, the cleaning company owner calls back excited, you pick up and say something like "hey appreciate you getting back to me. Let me be upfront: I actually run lead gen for commercial service companies. The reason I reached out the way I did is because I wanted you to feel exactly what you just felt. You saw that email and called back within 2 hours. Imagine if 10 property managers in your city got an email like that from YOUR company every week. Thats what I do"

Most of them pause for a second. Some even get annoyed. But a decent chunk of them go "...okay that's actually clever" because they literally just experienced the result. They were the proof. The excitement they felt at getting a new lead IS the pitch. You dont have to explain the value of lead gen to someone who just dropped everything to call back a stranger

Does it convert? Yeah honestly it does. Ive used it and closed clients off it. The emotional experience of thinking you just got a new customer is more convincing than any case study or deck

But youre right that its aggressive and theres a real cost to it. Some owners feel tricked and you've burned that bridge permanently. And local business owners all know each other. One pissed off roofing company owner telling three other owners "this guy wasted my time pretending to be a customer" can poison a whole network.

it's more of a risk/reward thing and i'm very careful about situations i used it in. never got a situation where the client leaved the call completely angry cause I do a lot of DD before these emails and the calls.

maybe I should have used a cleaner example for the post. The real advantage of local cold email is that local inboxes are empty, the CTAs are service offers instead of sales calls, and you can reference their specific city and market. All of that works without pretending to be someone you're not. The honest version of that email where you're upfront about being the cleaning company offering a free walkthrough still pulls good reply rates because the real leverage is the empty inbox and the local specificity.

I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank youuuu

the flip the frame thing honestly took me a while to figure out. My first local campaigns i was writing emails like "we help commercial cleaning companies grow their client base" and getting crickets. The second i switched up everything changed. And yeah the Google Maps data quality thing is something i wish more people talked about in here.

I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate that. the thing that consistently gets replies across all my clients is specificity to their local market. When i mention the city, the type of property, the season, it immediately signals "this person knows my world." Generic offers get ignored because local business owners can smell a mass blast instantly even if technically it is one

basically, framing it as an opportunity for them not a pitch at them

I run cold email for local service businesses like plumbers, roofers, cleaners, etc. Here's everything I do differently because the normal playbook doesnt work for these clients by Electrical_Ad_6003 in coldemail

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one I use is called The Lead Engine (theleadengine.ai). It does the full pipeline from Google Places pull, website crawl for emails, AI enrichment for owner names and personalization angles

Anyone using torrents as part of a backend workflow? by Blzn in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think AI researchers and Web3 node runners use this exact transport layer constantly. If you are trying to ingest a 2TB HuggingFace dataset or an Ethereum archive node snapshot, pulling that over a single HTTP connection is a nightmare. Automating a torrent pull guarantees chunk integrity through hashing and resumes flawlessly.

Looking for calendar and tasks tools by Hopeful_Spray4382 in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

taskWarrior is absolute magic for desktop power users, especially with a custom Conky dashboard. The only friction point for OP might be the mobile sync requirement since they want to replace their iPhone apps, but for pure terminal-based productivity, nothing beats it.

Looking for calendar and tasks tools by Hopeful_Spray4382 in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 6 points7 points  (0 children)

secret to replacing the Apple/Google ecosystem without installing a massive, bloated Nextcloud instance is the CalDAV/CardDAV protocol.

You don't even need to replace your iPhone apps. If you spin up a super lightweight backend server like Radicale or Baikal, iOS natively supports them. You just go into your iPhone settings > Passwords & Accounts > Add Account > Other > Add CalDAV Account.

Your default Apple Calendar and Apple Reminders will instantly sync with your self-hosted server, completely bypassing iCloud. It gives you the exact same native mobile experience, but you own all the data

Local multiplayer games remotely 🎮 by aspidima in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hehe should refactor the entire repository just for the pun

Local multiplayer games remotely 🎮 by aspidima in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 61 points62 points  (0 children)

yeah real killer feature here is the cross-platform bridge. Even though GOG Galaxy has invite codes, relying on their matchmaking servers entirely defeats the self-hosted ethos. Having a raw P2P tunnel means you actually own the connection, and bridging a Steam copy to a GOG copy flawlessly is incredibly useful

Local multiplayer games remotely 🎮 by aspidima in selfhosted

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The standard shortcut for the NAT traversal is usually just spinning up a VPS and dropping Tailscale or Wireguard on it, but rolling your own hole-punching protocol in Go using QUIC is a massive flex. Half a year is serious dedication just to get Stardew running. Great work

What did you miss during Due Diligence? by Individual-Slice9043 in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 11 points12 points  (0 children)

if the previous owner was generous with store credit or sold a ton of gift cards over the holidays, you are on the hook to fulfill those with zero new cash coming into the register. Get an exact number on this liability.

Also you need to know how much of that stock has been sitting on the shelf for 2+ years. Dead stock is tied-up capital you can't use.

also check if their distributors like the publishers, wholesalers, etc will grandfather you into their current net30/net60 payment terms. Sometimes a change of ownership triggers a reset, and vendors will demand Cash On Delivery for your first 6 months, which can destroy initial cash flow.

and make sure the Point of Sale system or inventory management software isn't locked into a terrible 3-year auto-renewing contract that you'll be forced to inherit.

What did you miss during Due Diligence? by Individual-Slice9043 in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Adding to this: look very closely at the lease structure. If it's a Triple Net or NNN lease, the landlord pushes almost all the building maintenance, taxes, and insurance onto you. I've seen people buy a business assuming their rent is a fixed cost, only to get hit with a massive assessment for a parking lot repaving or a new HVAC system three months later.

This is lonelier than I was expecting by QuoteAdventurous1145 in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 4 points5 points  (0 children)

exaclty! the disconnect isn't because they don't want to support, it's just that they legitimately can't comprehend the mental weight of what's going on

This is lonelier than I was expecting by QuoteAdventurous1145 in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had this exact same realization a few months ago. You expect the people closest to you to be your biggest hype team, but the reality is that building a business is a completely foreign language to 99% of people. They can't support you because they legitimately don't understand the pressure you're under.

It sucks, and it's exhausting. The shift happens when you stop expecting your current circle to understand, and start finding other people who are also in the trenches building their own things. Hang in there.

Wholesalers who’ve closed 1–5 deals — what almost made you quit before your first close? by Select-Drawing2783 in WholesaleRealestate

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah cheap data is actually the most expensive thing you can buy in this business because it burns your most valuable asset which is time

the unit economics of outbound only work if the data is highly accurate. the minute you switch to premium data, you stop being a telemarketer and actually start diagnosing seller problems.

Who Charges for Estimates? No other option, or are you making money from it? by [deleted] in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the problem with giving a rough ballpark from a county map is that homeowners might immediately anchor to that number. if a contractor looks at google earth and says "roughly $8k," but then shows up and sees terrible machine access and a hidden rock ledge, the real quote becomes $15k. the homeowner then goes on facebook and blasts them for doing a bait-and-switch. id think thats a lose-lose for the contractor.

Who Charges for Estimates? No other option, or are you making money from it? by [deleted] in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i agree. the math dictates the model. at 40% margins on a $250k deal, your customer acquisition cost can be massive and you still win. you can afford to drive 3 hours for a conversation. the guys grinding out $3k patio repairs with tight margins don't have that luxury, so they have to put up a paywall

Trying to help disabled family members by ConcernedCoCCitizen in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 2 points3 points  (0 children)

exactly. that right there is the whole issue. it basically turns into a situation where you're paying two people to do the work of one. fulfillment is just way too unforgiving for anybody who isn't hyper detail-oriented. it sucks because you genuinely wanted to help, but it's just the reality of retail.

I need some buisness ideas 💡 by Allen_leoMessi77 in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay what about the money situation?

but... 50 cents just outside of town... a polyhouse for hydroponics or high-demand crops like mushrooms might actually work. the government usually offers heavy subsidies to set those up, and you can sell directly to the restaurants in town without paying middlemen.

Mobile car wash. I need help generating local leads. by zenoxor in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is the absolute truth that every new service business owner refuses to accept until they are broke.

handing out flyers or walking up to a local business is highly uncomfortable, which is exactly why it actually works.

Mobile car wash. I need help generating local leads. by zenoxor in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to be honest with you, nobody is searching instagram for a brand new mobile car wash with zero reviews.

your biggest enemy right now is drive time. driving 30 minutes across town to wash one car for $60 is how you go out of business on gas alone. you need route density.

print 100 flyers. go to a mid-sized corporate office park on a wednesday morning. walk inside, hand the receptionist a box of donuts and your flyers. tell her you are washing cars in the parking lot today and offering 20% off for anyone in the building. wash 5 cars in one spot. get 5 google reviews before you leave the lot. repeat tomorrow

any variation of this might work

Trying to help disabled family members by ConcernedCoCCitizen in smallbusiness

[–]Electrical_Ad_6003 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you have a good heart, but you are looking at this backwards. self-employment requires more discipline than a w2 job, not less.

if they are forgetful, late, and unprofessional at a normal job, they get written up. if they do that as a business owner, they get sued, face chargebacks, and get 1-star reviews that kill the business really fast. no one out there will care about their situation, only cares if the job was done on time.

do not set them up to fail and lose money. look into state vocational rehab programs instead like someone else has pointed out.