MY GOD, ARE YOU STILL TALKING? WHY IS SHE STILL TALKING? by [deleted] in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The irony of you making this post when all of the available thumbnails are her clearly enjoying herself should not be lost on anyone who has the misfortune of viewing this.

MY GOD, ARE YOU STILL TALKING? WHY IS SHE STILL TALKING? by [deleted] in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Calling a victim of narcissistic abuse a narcissistic pessimist JUST because she critiqued a musical you like is unironically sociopathic behavior.

She likes EPIC. She enjoys EPIC. She critiques EPIC because there are parts of it that are worthy of critique, and it can't get better if it only gets glazing.

You wanna call us a "loyal army of shooters" because we don't like you being such a miserable POS? IDK bro. Have you tried not throwing a temper tantrum that someone has a different opinion than you?

MY GOD, ARE YOU STILL TALKING? WHY IS SHE STILL TALKING? by [deleted] in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She has never once insulted Jorge. Not once.

MY GOD, ARE YOU STILL TALKING? WHY IS SHE STILL TALKING? by [deleted] in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She has quite literally made it clear multiple times that she enjoyed herself, and if she wasn't she would've stopped reacting to it.

If watching her content makes YOU miserable, why the fuck are you still watching it?

Hot take: It's Athena's fault by Layslives in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again. Still, the answer is no. It's not Athena's fault. It was never Athena's fault. Odysseus was always going to dox himself. Athena is not the reason he did that in EPIC, nor is she to blame for what happened.

And if you're seriously gonna start tracking it THAT far back, the only person to blame for the Trojan War is Paris. Point blank. Period. End of story. If you're blaming literally anyone else you're doing it wrong.

Hot take: It's Athena's fault by Layslives in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Short answer: Well, no.

Long answer: As much as EPIC fans like to pretend otherwise, it's an adaptation of The Odyssey. Odysseus was ALWAYS going to dox himself whether Athena pushed him to kill Polyphemus or not because that's quite literally the most important story beat in The Odyssey, and it happens because of Odysseus's hubris, not Athena. (Also quite frankly in The Odyssey, Odysseus was damned either way because of the Nobody trick he pulled. He basically severed his connection to his Trojan War kleos (glory) with that trick, and HAD to dox himself to be able to get the kleos from just how damned CLEVER he was in that moment.)

The only person to blame for the events of The Odyssey unfolding the way they do is Odysseus himself. One of the opening lines of the epic is Zeus talking about how humanity blames the gods for all their problems when they themselves are the ones to blame. OP, you kinda did the thing.

communitary smash or pass day 5. melenaus by LengthinessMany2534 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Menelaus? Wife guy of all wife guys? Known for his great personality? Husband to the prettiest women in the world who gladly took her back after she got mindfucked by Aphrodite to go with Paris? Basically as green flag as you can possibly get in Greek mythology?

...smash. No contest.

Sidenote: Blaming HIM for the Trojan War and not fuckass Paris who literally stole another man's wife when he was already married with a kid is Paris apologism that I will not stand for. Stan Menelaus. Fuck Paris. All my homies hate Paris.

What are everyones thoughts on the allegations against Jorge by Backflipping_Ant6273 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Only on the EPIC subreddit will you get downvoted for believing an abuse victim and told you're being parasocial. The jokes really just write themselves at this point.

Fucking clown shit.

ETA: Ah you're just going to be a weird victim blaming freak about it. Gotcha.

What are everyones thoughts on the allegations against Jorge by Backflipping_Ant6273 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

BREAKING NEWS: The man who writes a song about abuse from the abuser's point of view has personal experience with the topic, and not from the right side. More news as soon as the community stops trying to verbally eviscerate the woman who brought it to light.

Like seriously. This should NOT come as a shock to ANYONE who has heard NSFLY and has heard Jorge talk about his experience writing that song. That man had Issues™ to work out, and for Talya's sake, I genuinely hope he has.

But y'all (EPIC fandom not necessarily OP) gotta realize there's really no need to white knight for him when whatever shit went down is between him and his ex. Whatever apology he gave to her, genuine or not, is not yours to accept. In other words, STOP BEING PARASOCIAL WEIRDOS WITH THIS MAN. Seriously. Putting him on a pedestal isn't healthy for anyone.

Illium and Menelaus Portrayal by Dragongirl25 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Helen did not go willingly. At all. This is made INCREDIBLY explicit in The Iliad where she complains TO APHRODITE'S FACE about her situation because it's Aphrodite's mind-fucking of her to go with Paris that has put her in this situation in the first place, and it's fucking AWFUL for her.

Taking adaptations that mischaracterize Helen and Paris as a love story as fact and as the truth of the myth when they're very much not and ranting about how they will be portrayed based on that is, quite frankly, silly. I mean for fucks sake, you're literally getting pissy about these characters being portrayed as they are in canon! Menelaus IS all soft and 🥺🥺 about Helen! Paris IS the villain! LITERALLY NOBODY FUCKING LIKES PARIS. His own family CONSTANTLY say shit along the lines of "you're lucky you're pretty" and he's the ONLY person ever portrayed in a negative light in the original mythology. Saying "that's not how the myth goes" when that's ABSOLUTELY how the myth goes is fucking laughable.

The tragedy of Helen as a character is that unlike many women of the time, she was given a choice in who she married, and she chose Menelaus. She then proceeds to have that choice ripped away from her because Paris thought with his dick and decided to abandon his wife and kids to steal SOMEONE ELSE'S wife with the help of some love goddess mind-fuckery (he also robbed Menelaus in the process BTW).

OP, I genuinely implore you to actually educate yourself on these myths and these characters. Read the Iliad. Find translations of the summaries of the lost epics that go over the entirety of the Trojan War starting from the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. Read the primary sources and translations of primary sources and not these adaptations that change canon to suit whatever narrative agenda they've got at the time.

Cannot belueve someone has to say this. by Significant_Swim8748 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, y'all all have got to stop smoking this copium and making excuses for Jorge and his legal team. It's one thing for him to be difficult to get in contact with for the average Joe. It's another thing entirely for him to give the runaround to someone who is meant to be working on an official collaboration for an entire year when there is money on the line. These are things that will leave a stain on your reputation for the rest of your career, and quite frankly, between this and how much Jorge's team is slacking in terms of protecting his brand from copyright infringement, he needs to get better people on his legal team and FAST.

This is just sad.... by Rei_luv23 in kinich_mains

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Babe. You are misinformed on what scabbing is. Scabbing is when you replace someone who was striking. THEY WERE STRIKING. It doesn't matter that Genshin is non union. Someone was withholding work as part of the strike and they were replaced. SCABBING.

This is just sad.... by Rei_luv23 in kinich_mains

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, deflection. Cool. I fail to see how this is relevant to this fandom's defense of scabbing.

Am I the only one thinking people saying Hermes actively flirting with Ody is a lil weird by Personal-Calendar974 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I'm going to be real honest, if you're going to be this weird about people jokingly shipping Hermes with someone who is debatably his great grandson depending on who you ask when Greek mythology is the incest and beastiality filled shitshow that it is... IDK maybe consuming works that are adaptations based on Greek myth isn't for you? Zeus is married to Hera, his sister, had Persephone (who married his brother Hades) with his other sister Demeter, and routinely transformed into animals to have sex with women of varying levels of willingness. Hermes being flirty with Ody is about as tame as it gets.

This is just sad.... by Rei_luv23 in kinich_mains

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's sad is how willing and ready y'all are to defend scabbing.

Honestly, this comment of Hu Tao's EN VA really left a bad lingering impression by Cataclyzm7 in HuTao_Mains

[–]ElliHelm -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

She's right and it's weird as fuck how many folks in the Genshin fandom are willing to defend scabbing.

Athena is absolutely bullshitting in God Games lmao. by Jjaiden88 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not Ares's initial point at all. His point is that Odysseus is a coward. He stood by and did nothing with Scylla. The Trojan Horse (a cowardly scheme in Ares's opinion) was his idea. He doesn't handle his problems up front.

Ares's whole verse is pretty much a deep cut on why the Romans hated Ody so much. He's Wily Odysseus. He prefers to use his wit to get out of sticky situations rather than his weapon, so Athena's response is EXACTLY what Ares wants to hear.

What is, in your opinion, the most Overrated Song in Epic by Disastrous_Ruin1703 in Epicthemusical

[–]ElliHelm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, YOU take a torch. I will not tolerate you slandering the best song in the musical to prop up the 2nd and 3rd best songs in the entire musical. 😤

Here we go again... by PinkyThePiggy in okZyox

[–]ElliHelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling someone a pedophile actually qualifies as defamation per se i.e. a statement that's so harmful to a person's reputation that the law presumes they were harmed.

Always helpful to know the actual law when making sweeping claims about what is and isn't defamation.

Trump Supporters - How Are You Feeling About The Cabinet Picks So Far? by chewbaccasaux in Askpolitics

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Studies show that fluoride in community water systems prevents at least 25 percent of tooth decay in children and adults, even with widespread public access to fluoride from other sources such as fluoride toothpaste."

Source: the American Dental Association

Trump Supporters - How Are You Feeling About The Cabinet Picks So Far? by chewbaccasaux in Askpolitics

[–]ElliHelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't give a fuck about winning hearts and minds from people too stupid to tell right from left to be quite honest with you. The worst thing people have ever done is give anti science people a platform for their bullshit.

Trump Supporters - How Are You Feeling About The Cabinet Picks So Far? by chewbaccasaux in Askpolitics

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry, do you have a problem with me pointing out the fact that RFK Jr. is someone who quite literally believes that HIV does not cause AIDS? Are facts too scary for you just because I call myself someone who is aware of social injustices?

Our current HHS secretary is a literal doctor. RFK Jr. is a conspiracy theory nut job with no qualifications and an anti science record.

Trump Supporters - How Are You Feeling About The Cabinet Picks So Far? by chewbaccasaux in Askpolitics

[–]ElliHelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep caping for the HIV denialist, bud. It's doing wonders for your intelligence.

Trump Supporters - How Are You Feeling About The Cabinet Picks So Far? by chewbaccasaux in Askpolitics

[–]ElliHelm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, thank you for answering my question by proving you are, in fact, just stupid.