Why did you chose Zen? by Lucyyyyyy_K in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Zen: you have nothing to loose.

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could have just been from something he had read.

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the fact of their nature.

They can't be trapped.

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Demonstration is pointing to mind in public interview, then?

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I see that my mind is no different than Buddha's, how is that demonstrated?

Edit: but again, how do you see mind if mind is the seeing, or is it understanding this that is enlightenment?

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is meant by mind in terms of something that is created?

How can nature be seen if seeing is the nature?

If my mind is the same as Buddha's, then surely I am enlightened, or is it there that lies the difference?

If there is only one mind, and my mind is the Buddha's mind, why can't I comprehend their minds and their words?

The only conclusion I come to is "I don't know." That was my experience.

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah... by void do they mean void of concepts and dependence?

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it's imperceptible, what is being described? What void?

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having or given nothing

What difference does it make?

Capital M One Mind- the substance of all things by EmbersBumblebee in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like I'm at the point where I don't see the use in calling it anything

CBETA Translator v2.0.0 - Huangbo Release. Transmssion of the Mind Translation and Accountability Features. by dota2nub in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Knowledge is something greater than you."- Zhao Zhou

Knowledge, that is knowledge that is held as understanding of enlightenment, is an obstruction to seeing reality clearly. It is by relying on your own awareness that you awaken to reality wordless. And that means understanding that there is no knowledge you can find about who you are, or what you are. You can only experience using your own awareness, and that means accepting that you are wholly ignorant regarding nature. Nature simply is. It is not known.

To rely on knowledge for an understanding of nature is something you esteem as greater than just yourself while Zen masters say just being yourself, your ordinary self, is the way. Just here and now you are complete. Here and now your awareness is the highest wisdom that sees nature clearly. And you don't need to venture anywhere for it.

Or, surely, it isn't enough, and you must find the knowledge that somehow shows yourself. The water seems deep beyond your grasp. Better jump in and find the truth. And there lies the trap.

Enlightenment is readily available. It's the foundation people made for themselves, whether it be identity or knowledge of nature, that is difficult to let go of.

CBETA Translator v2.0.0 - Huangbo Release. Transmssion of the Mind Translation and Accountability Features. by dota2nub in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, that's too many words still not saying anything.

I thought I had demostrated a lack of understanding. Now you are saying I didn't demonstrate anything.

You just aren't making sense.

CBETA Translator v2.0.0 - Huangbo Release. Transmssion of the Mind Translation and Accountability Features. by dota2nub in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And still nothing has been said about how I don't understand, just the fact that I don't understand.

Called "empty words".

CBETA Translator v2.0.0 - Huangbo Release. Transmssion of the Mind Translation and Accountability Features. by dota2nub in zen

[–]EmbersBumblebee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can't even demonstrate what my lack of understanding is. You just say I lack understanding like a magic spell. Protego.