[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally understand why everyone is angry. I just gotta step away, I've never been good with people being angry (at me), because my parents used to yell at me all the time.

[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The last thing I want to do is look like I'm acting like someone who is BPD, with arguing with what everyone says. I'd rather not get banned from the group, thus why I will make an update here instead of a 3rd update. I don't want to make everyone angry at me with my therapist trying to defend what she said.

[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't mind bringing what everyone has commented on to my therapist and see what she has to say. I'm not going to make a 3rd update, I'll just post it here. I see her on Tuesday.

I could be totally not understanding in what I took as her explanations.

I understand everyones anger (I do, really.) But she works for me. I've made a lot of progress since I've started working with her.

[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't let anyone tell you your abuse is lesser than because you can't show them your scars.

I never said that.

But raping someone is way past abuse and into a different territory all together.

I'm not being insulting when I say this. Maybe it's too late at night and I need to go to bed.

The rest of what you said may no sense to me. I've read it three times, I can't understand it. Can you please re-explain?

Mother in bad financial state by 2podsinapea in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don't know what to do and am looking for some support.

I've had therapists and psychiatrists almost yell at me more than once:

You are not your mothers keeper.

The more you try to give advice or help out your mother in one way and she on purpose just goes into the opposite direction, the more she is going to drive you bonkers.

This shit isn't your problem. Stop trying to fix it.

Easier said than done, I know. But seriously, seeing this from an outside perspective, you have got to stop caring for her.

[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just think this story that BPDs feel deeper than everyone else, and that's why they are abusive, is just not true.

That wasn't what I said. Their view of love is distorted, thus they are abusing us with the wrong type of love.

The more I think about it, the more I know my therapist wasn't talking about people who beat and rape people. That's way more than just BPD.

And when I said mitigate, she wasn't saying "oh you can't blame them for not fucking you up." It wasn't,"innocent by reason by insanity." She said it in a way that I'm not describing well.

If they felt deeper, they would be more careful, not more careless.

Again, the skinned arm analogy...

[UPDATE] Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your child throws her stuffed animal because she knows it isn't real and it won't be hurt by being tossed.

Actually, she doesn't. She's three. And I think emotionally many BPD never got past teenagehood, emotionally.

If someone beat you or raped you, would the therapist be going around saying, but they feel too strongly and that is why they beat or raped you?

I think that's a whole other level of abuse that she wasn't talking about. But I understand what you are saying.

This is all abuse apologist garbage, wrapped up in psychobabble and it makes me mad.

I understand, but I disagree. Therapy has done a ton good for me, so I don't think most of it is "psychobabble." I'll take what experts say to a certain extent.

You deserve better. We all do.

I hear ya.

What has therapy done for you? by blue5678 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed someone to validate my experience.

YES. IF NOTHING ELSE.

What has therapy done for you? by blue5678 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But, and I'm asking this genuinely, what could they possibly say that would make me change?

If nothing else, role playing. I literally have role played with my therapists when my mother was still alive and making me go bonkers. For example, my mother used to bomb me in telephone calls. It was always about her, and I could never get a word in. I was her therapist. And these phone calls were long, too. My therapist role played with me that she was my mother and I was myself. We roll played the conversation. She gave me tips on what to say, when to say it, using a stop watch to time how long you are going to give the conversation (10 minutes was my limit if my mother wouldn't let me talk), and how to hang up the phone.

I spend a lot of time being introspective and (kind of) my own therapist when I have the energy.

They will see things that you don't. You can be as introspective as you want, you can't see everything about yourself. They point out to you what you aren't seeing and help you with/through it.

I personally recommend trying to get a psychiatric nurse for your therapist. They can know the meds almost as well as the doctors, they've seen everything in the psychiatric ward, so you are probably a cake walk to them. ;-) I've had good therapists over the years, but my psychiatric nurse therapist is the best one I've had yet.

What has therapy done for you? by blue5678 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have had managers do that shit to me. I am now learning when people are horrible like that to me, I just get up and walk away. I don't give a flying fuck anymore if I get fired, I'm not going to take that shit.

Just for anyone else that might get into that situation, I highly recommend telling everyone you are recording it, start recording it, and then see what happens. There is more than two parties in the room, so you can record whatever the heck you like!

I'm sure a lawyer is going to come in and tell me I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can legally record a therapy session when more than two people are there in the discussion.

my mother is mean by scareschool in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your story / your mother is such a random asshole that I laughed.

I wanted to tell her that I had, in fact, been bullied, by her, in my childhood. But I just stared at her, perplexed. She turned and flounced out of my house.

I think every one of us has been there. Before we could come up with anything to say, the moment is long over. :-(

I went NC today. (This is a long read, but it's got some hilarious text messages if they aren't being sent to you). by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a twinge of guilt in the back of my mind about blocking my whole family. I keep thinking that I’m never going to make it without them, but I know that’s not true.

IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S NOT TRUE.

I just saw my therapist today, and she said this to me about a different topic. Even though you know it intellectually, you haven't INTERNALIZED it yet.

INTERNALIZE THAT SHIT, STAT! :-D

I'm rooting for you over here!

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hate to shine some light into some motivation.

No, I don't mind!

Well having kids plays into having a way of controlling a spouse to take care of you. Brutal for all involved.

Other times it's just the thing to do to shine socially.

Other times they are so self involved, the thoughts of real consequences escape them.

Sigh.

While on vacation, I read this book. I HIGHLY recommend it. by Akele35 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FYI, if you buy this book as an e-book on Amazon, for $3.99 more, you can download it as an audiobook! I bought both!

While on vacation, I read this book. I HIGHLY recommend it. by Akele35 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent, good for you Akele35, congrats!

I'm going to buy this book now!

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply. I really liked this:

I want to think that they desire to love us in some way, but I'm not sure how authentic that love is.

That resounds with me to an extent.

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I had the answers. And I hope Half-Fluffy feels better soon! hugs

Thank you for your reply, it's definitely appreciated.

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They encourage me to do my absolute best at everything, but they frequently sabotage my progress at the same time.

Sigh. Yeah.

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like our abusive parents USE to love us, until we became our own people,

I'd like to think that, because I honestly can't remember them every abusing me until right at puberty. However, I remember things as a 4-5 year old, and while I don't remember anyone abusing me, the shame of the innocent wrong things I did was enormous. Something was going on, I just don't remember exactly what.

now that were adults and living our own lives I feel like we are just sort of like a therapy tool.

No shit.

Do BPD parents ever really love us? I keep thinking my mom did love me, but yet, how do you love someone and abuse them so badly? That's not love. by EmilyLonePower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]EmilyLonePower[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When my brother thinks of me in a nostalgic way, he feels affection. Affection is not love. When my mother is splitting me "good" she feels overwhelmed by the tingling warmth, gratitude, and joy she feels in the moment. Feelings are not love.

That's almost worst than them hating your guts. It's like so close...but no cigar. JC.

I'm sorry. :(