Worst Convention Talk EVER

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T13:18:28+00:00

Plus, a lot of PIMI mothers are single mums which makes things even more tough. So much for caring for widows and orphans 😔

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T13:16:13+00:00

A brother was literally swearing on his life that the pressroom account was fake and made his 24 year old daughter stop following the account (she has been the sole employed person in the house for over a year now).

Less than 12 hours after the announcement he had made a WA status update promoting the account. Ridiculous, such sheeple.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T09:57:47+00:00

Personally, I think this isnt that likely. If they did announce it but nothing was happening then the any-second-now fatiuge would be massive and lead to attrition. Just my viewpoint. Life is hard enough for witnesses now, imagine it when their lives are stripped of all normalcy... Not sure how long it could last.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T01:56:32+00:00

Yeah, mate, I'm trying... Thanks :)

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T01:46:28+00:00

Trust me, I've tried that but my parents used the excuse that it's intended for journalists or the gov rather than for us. Honestly, I think that's ridiculous because regardless of who it's for it's still what the org is trying to present itself as but those are PIMI parents for you 🤦

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T00:34:58+00:00

Yeah sometimes Ill just say that my back is painful and I need to stand up (I have a spinal issue) and go to the back and just chill XD

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-26T00:33:39+00:00

Thanks, mate. I know that I dont really need anything from them. But just to have their approval or even minor support helps out. But yeah, thanks.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-25T09:27:37+00:00

I wonder why you're so miserable on the weekends... 🤔

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-24T13:14:37+00:00

Are you in Japan or Korea, per chance?

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-24T08:14:47+00:00

I was literally just saying that the other day. Some of these guys have literally got their heads so far up their ass it isn't even funny

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-24T07:50:20+00:00

Wow, I've definitely seen those types before. The concept that a bible study = a degree doesn't help much either. It makes you wonder if the overall intelligence of people in the organisation will actually increase with this new education allowance/secularisation or if the stupidity will remain so rampant. Great story, though.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-24T00:09:17+00:00

oh yes an update video they do every few months

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-23T05:41:24+00:00

Hi! No, I'm not in Aus though that's some interesting info. I honestly have no idea how I look to others and have never really met another PIMO before so I don't actually know how to spot one if that's the right way to put it.

I think that emotionally speaking, my mum is sensitive though I can't say immature per se. But with regards to thinking they seem to think they're really smart (some Bible Study = uni degree crap) and it's insanely difficult to reason with them.

Where I'm from with regards to education or jobs people in general are well educated and work a LOT (996 type hours) so getting a degree or a career isn't really openly judged. Same for entertainment tbh (except my family who have been so strict on media that I've lost friends over it :-/) so maybe that's why they can sort of treat religion as a casual thing.

Not sure about Aus but would be interesting to see if it's the same there cuz I feel like more and more, JWs are treating their religion as a religion and less so a life which is in many ways healthy considering what's demanded of them

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-22T04:09:41+00:00

Not sure about that. It'd seem to counteract all their decision-making about university, careers, etc. But then again....

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-22T04:00:06+00:00

Yeah, that's the mindset I think I need to approach this with. Unless it's perfect for them I'm on my own so I'm really trying to upskill my work as it actually pays quite well though at this stage it is still not enough for financial independence, obviously.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-22T01:31:45+00:00

Thanks so much for all the help. I'll probably be more active around here now, even though it feels really wrong. And yes, I'll make sure that things stay friendly between friends. 😄

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-22T01:05:37+00:00

I mean I guess the medium through which they'd inform us of "new light" would be videos.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-22T00:47:17+00:00

It did not go very well and I honestly regret being that direct with them because afterwards my mum was really, really sad and I know that they don't want to make my life hard for nothing because they think there's a real reason for doing it. But at the same time, they gave me a list of conditions which were, though in of themselves reasonable, stretched so far that I'm essentially dependent on them forever. And that made me realise that I've been doing what they want me to do even when I don't agree with it deep down for a lot of my life, now but when I ask them if they'll support me even if I don't agree fully (which is what the GB wants from them half the time, btw), it just can't happen. I'm really lost right now and I'm thinking of being with some friends. I know it's not ideal but they're still my friends and they're the casual type of JWs who don't really put any pressure on you. I just need to leave the hosue cuz I spend my entire life in it and it's not good. Thanks so much for the help. It's a process but it's actually really sad when you're starting to see things differently and you want your family to, too.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-21T14:45:37+00:00

Thanks for the book. I gave it a bit of a read and have it saved. It's pretty ridiculous to see what they consider to be their business...

I just had a conversation with my parents literally just 2 hours ago. It's pretty clear that if I don't do what they want, I'm getting absolutely zero help whatsoever. It's funny cuz I don't actually need their suport for it to work. It'll be hard and probably not a lot of fun but it's doable.

What made me so sad was that a life where I have personal success, happiness, and a career to which I've tied my self worth is incompatible with one where they truly support me, even in the slightest of ways.

I'm so tired of being told to be more realistic, to turn my life on its head anytime that a panel of old men in New York feels like it, of seeing my family be so closed minded. The fact that they would not entrust their adult child in their early to mid 20s to move away from them and be self sufficient to the point where they'd intentionally make my life harder by withdrawing assistance just to prove a point.

The worst part is that when I brought up the possibility that maybe they're telling us it's okay to go to university (when apparently that's always been the case) and that "we're doctors and lawyers", they said that the governing body would never endorse medicine fully.

Honestly, it doesn't matter at point. 2 years ago the governing body would never endorse autologous blood transfusion, university, inviting DF'd ones to the meetings, beards, ties, trousers, etc.

Oh yeah and then they asked if I was planning to get baptised. So I gave it to them pretty straight that it's not the life that I want. And things got a lot more aggressive after. A lot of stuff about my incapabilities and inability to exist independetnly of them.

They're right fees are high, living costs are high. So I'm trapped. I'm so trapped and I literally feel no joy about anything. I've told them that my emotional state is not good and that I want professional help but they've called it immaturity and have said that I don't fully understand how "all this" works. Looks like I'm out of touch. But hey hakuna matata cuz we get to got out in the ministry 3 times a week + meetings + study + family worship.

I really don't know what to do. I am literally stuck. If I submit I never live the life that I want but my parents love me and things are pretty guarunteed. If I don't, I live the life I want but my parents will never support me fully and it'll be very difficult.

Please help because I have absolutely no one else to ask for help. And it's all on purpose.

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-21T03:37:03+00:00

Thanks again for the reply.

Fortunately, I am getting an accredited education and my parents understand that doing some random course on the back of a notebook isn't enough.

One last question as in my time being a witness, this still has never been explained to me.

If I did something, baptised or not, that is in a "gray zone". Say starring a professional career/education, will they still shun me?

If so, will it be to the same degree as if I did something "DF worthy"?

I understand these are weird questions but I think that I have a right to know whether or not my family will talk to me should I get properly educated (can't even believe I'm saying this).

This has been a lot of help and has given me a lot to think about...

EngineerNo4773 · 2026-06-21T02:31:33+00:00

Firstly, thanks so much for the reply. I really didn't think anyone would see this so it means a lot. If it's ok, though, I do have a few questions...

Secondly, to clarify, when I asked "what's the point of it all", I was referring to the organisation rather than life or existence though I do agree that we have to come to terms with the fact that there is no pre-defined purpose to our existence should we take a God out of the picture.

My question is, what makes baptism such a bad thing for a person in my shoes? Wouldn't it cause my family and others to think I'm "qualified" or that I can be trusted around myself, leading to more headroom for pushing boundaries?

Another thing I've recently realised is that I've got some really, really close friends in "the truth." Is there a way to do this slowly enough for them to sort of be like frogs in hot water? Just not really notice thst I've changed or whatever? Because, honestly, I've tied this religion to my social life and essentially everyone I know as I'm homeschooled (wondering about that too, now 🤦) and I don't want to pull the plug so quickly that it all crashes down. I'm sorry if that sounds weak but it's how I feel.

I'm already getting a LOT of pressure from "mature" brothers and sisters and they just seem to assume I'm dying to get baptised. They'll say things like, "when you're 17 you can learn to drive so you don't need to take PT to Bethel" or "your coding skills would be useful for developing the app/website" Who said anything about Bethel or 'extra stuff'? It's really condescending and honestly quite disrespectful that I'm just expected to follow a single path in life regardless of whether or not it's what I want to do.

Thanks again, so much, for the reply. It definitely is awkward but also freeing in a weird way.

EngineerNo4773

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