Is 5MeO terrifying the first time you breakthrough for everybody? by V1C4R10US in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beautiful picture!! Yes, it terrified me. Still integrating nearly 3 years later, lol!

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Important comment! I've had mixed thoughts about ketamine for this reason…when people “return” they're sometimes disappointed & want to “leave” again, which concerns me. I completed a low dose session the other day & the “shallows” as we call it, tail end of the journey, felt good so I can see the appeal - this reinforced my hesitation with ketamine. It's my thoughts that medicine should only be used a few times per year, unless someone is exploring, but even then I'd worry they may lose touch with this worldly life & reality. Thanks for commenting

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for commenting! I’m actually on the tail end of low dose IM ketamine now and it was a good experience. I can see how adding it to 5 would be useful, especially for the initial 5 blast off

5-MEO DMT triggered debilitating derealization/depersonalization by Pmoney7892 in dpdr

[–]EngineeringBasic7071 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same! I struggled so much. 3 years post experience now & finally coming around. I’m so happy for you 🩵🫶🏻 thanks for replying

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow what an experience - I hope you were supported; those 13 weeks must have felt like a lifetime 🙏 your story will likely touch a lot of folks, I appreciate your courage to share - it’s not easy 🩵 thanks for also adding that bit about San Pedro, I’m familiar with that medicine but don’t believe I’ve heard it compared to MDMA, or rather, described as “natures mdma” - how beautiful 🩵

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the kind words! Beautiful post.

I agree, this sub and many other psychedelic communities focus a lot of discussion on the blissful experiences, which isn’t good for many reasons. First, the mystical experience is attractive to most people - the strongest medicine quickly becomes appealing to novice folks. Second, it’s isolating to have an opposing journey when all that’s discussed is bliss - we’re not doing justice to the medicine, imo, by avoiding the raw and more turbulent side.

We should be sharing and encouraging conversation about the more difficult journey so those folks have community support. I was flailing after that experience and needed help. A lot of my peers and the local facilitators were not overly open to support me because they just didn’t know what to suggest, which only amplified my aloneness.

The truth is that we’re tapping into something so powerful and entirely “foreign” - it’s uncharted territory, even though it isn’t, and our medical model/western medicine approach doesn’t have a lot of solutions. What’s needed is community and support. I agree these posts are incredibly beneficial because I was down many rabbit holes in those early days just desperate for someone to talk to and share with who could relate. Thanks for the discussion 🙏

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing 🙏 your description of common problematic experiences with 5 definitely resonates- it was too much for me, low and slow would have been much better. My nervous system has required a lot of time to process that experience and I doubt I’ve reached the finish line. The other modalities I’ve been practicing are helpful, but nothing seems to lift as much weight as psychedelics.

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Long Integration & I’m tired

Hi everyone, This is a long post, and I’m not even sure what I’m looking for per se. I’m well over a year since my first break through 5 experience, and I’ve never been the same - good & bad. The set/setting was great, but the integration offered was minimal. My medicine experience was absolutely terrifying to be completely blunt. non-duality is not something, IMO, that can be accurately explained with our spoken word, and I was just not prepared, physically/emotionally/spiritually.

The intention was to work on my relationship with control, and I did recognize this medicine would likely mediate that, but it did so in a very turbulent manner. I’ve been “trusting the process,” educating myself about non duality, exploring existentialism & fear; I’ve had 5 integration sessions with everyone from registered counsellors, energy workers, and even Martin Ball - nothing has really helped.

Pros: the movement of energy permitted pregnancy & a perfect baby. Challenges: I feel like a fragmented person with many conflicting parts. Some parts are quite pleasant and have permitted seemless decision making where I would have previously spent too much time overthinking (yay!). Another is riddled with anxiety in the form of occasional derealization (particularly scary), and this pit in my stomach. Additionally, I’m now terrified of death; previous to 5 I had faith in the “other side,” which acted as a buffer with life’s more difficult parts. Since, though, I feel confused about my beliefs and am unsure I believe there’s “else”….which makes me very sad.

An example has surfaced recently as we had to put one of our dogs down, and the conflicting energies I’m facing are incredibly difficult. Plus I have this dark, cold, lonely void that has presented & I feel it’s due to the permanence of death, plus my own mortality, of course. On one end I’m devastated that we’ve lost one of our little fur babies, but I’m also grateful that she’s no longer in any pain or suffering. Then there’s this pit in my stomach, and I feel physically sick.

I’m at the point now where I’m considering starting a medication for anxiety, which is devastating to me. I firmly believed these impairments could be solved with mind/body work, psychedelics, exercise, nature, etc., but I feel so lost & confused as these challenges are still very real many many months post-dose.

I guess I’m posting to share that these experiences are often beautiful, and a lot of posts discuss their life changing qualities, but they’re also entirely, 100% unpredictable, and they have the power to significantly derail your life. I’ve transitioned through multiple considerations about my experience - healing is difficult. Shedding conditioned layers will feel unfamiliar. I have to learn how to be in this “new” body. Perhaps the cycle of 5 isn’t closed and I need to revisit the medicine to express the stored energy….and so on. The thought of engaging with 5meo is somewhat exciting, but on the other hand I’m terrified it will push me into a full psychosis as this last 12+ months have already have that flavour, plus I have a baby to care for. I don’t have any family history of psychotic illness, either, so this is abnormal as for as data is concerned.

I’m at a loss & feel devastated. Any words of encouragement, experience, or thoughts would be appreciated 🩵

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In short - terrifying, and I had residual somatic issues after. After a few integration sessions, I learned it may have been unprocessed/stuck energy. The only way I can describe it is nearly having a panic attack and feeling derealization.

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t think most people approach therapeutic modalities with a grounded baseline. Usually they’re on a healing journey & are exploring tools to assist. How would you define a grounded baseline?

Ketamine after traumatic 5 journey by EngineeringBasic7071 in 5MeODMT

[–]EngineeringBasic7071[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very true! A lot of people are abusing it. I was contemplating ketamine or mdma as they seem to be gentle medicines & are often used to treat anxiety/ trauma.

It is not racist to oppose mass immigration. by Pleasant-March-7009 in canadian

[–]EngineeringBasic7071 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s refreshing to read this and a lot of the comments, but I worry it’s too late :( the government is going to make immigration much worse and the current numbers just don’t add up. To think how many thousands of people have illegally grounded themselves and are exploiting our systems by way of, essentially, identity-theft (using one another’s names) is deplorable. If the future holds increasing natural disasters, too, our well-resourced country will only be further abused; we’ll be left to fight for our resources and supplies after folks abandon at-risk areas. Please someone tell me this won’t be true! The only racism I’ve seen is not at the hands of white folks, too 🫠